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Show Of Hands December 24th, 2012 12:00am

At the request of his wife, an Iowa dentist fired a female assistant because she was "irresistible and a threat to his marriage." She sued, claiming discrimination. The Iowa Supreme Court ruled in favor of the dentist. Good call?

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curly
12/24/12 11:11 pm

Isn't BS (but it it kinda sounds like is), then I'd say the dentist could've made a responsible decision and the right call. He may have won this lawsuit, but if in X amount of time he goes on pervert overload, he's not gonna win the sexual harassment suit, y'know.

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
12/24/12 11:10 pm

The same to you all! Merry Christmas and to all a good year!

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
12/24/12 11:08 pm

I think you mean "at will" state.

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curly
12/24/12 11:07 pm

So I definitely understand the discrimination argument, but lets say he didn't fire her, and for whatever reason he can't resist her, haha. So the assistant is gonna be ok with putting up with her bosses sexual advances and creepiness? I doubt it. So I don't know, if the whole sexual tension thing

Doopy Remedial Americanism
12/24/12 11:06 pm

No, I wouldn't. Even without bearing in mind how much my job sucks, I don't believe in forcing someone to employ me against their will.

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palindrome California
12/24/12 11:05 pm

She in no way indicated nor testified that she felt the same way towards this man. How can it be an affair when she doesn't reciprocate his advances?

This might be a case where a really nice small town girl (bc she can REALLLY screw this guy) ends up losing. We'll see what else comes of it

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palindrome California
12/24/12 10:56 pm

Wow, meant :)

The ;) face made it just a little weirder haha

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palindrome California
12/24/12 10:55 pm

Hope you all get what you wanted ;)

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supereliguy Andromeda
12/24/12 10:54 pm

Even when we don't agree, I enjoy you guys! Woo!

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Sakura-chan Reading and Writing.
12/24/12 10:51 pm

How would you like it if your boss fired you for those reasons? Bet you'll be singin' a different tune then.

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palindrome California
12/24/12 10:51 pm

He texted her at night asking her how many orgasms she's had etc... She didn't respond to him.

Then he fires her because he's afraid he'll get into an affair with her?
Would that be an issue it she were instead a man? The entire basis of her firing is because of this perceived "relationship"

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tweetybird
12/24/12 10:49 pm

What a load of crap. I can't controls libido, so you loose your job. Grow up!!!

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TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
12/24/12 10:48 pm

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.

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JimmyRustles
12/24/12 10:47 pm

An employer should be able to fire who he wants

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Loadmaster Sacto
12/24/12 10:46 pm

It's funny that my 3 favorite people reply first.

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palindrome California
12/24/12 10:44 pm

Merry Christmas!

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JackTorS Clap you stupid bastards
12/24/12 10:41 pm

Thank you. Merry Christmas.

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RJ1969 SoCal
12/24/12 10:40 pm

....and Merry Christmas to you too!

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Loadmaster Sacto
12/24/12 10:40 pm

We don't always agree, and sometimes we get flat out ugly. But Merry Christmas to all you SoHers out there. It's YOU that make this app great. And Tony in some small part ;) From the bottom of my heart guys, Happy Holidays.

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RJ1969 SoCal
12/24/12 10:39 pm

and the gov should have every right to shut a business down as well.

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mac Oregon
12/24/12 10:36 pm

Rasberry, as a school admin, I know if she didn't meet her performance goal and job descriptors she would be put on a plan and gone soon after. Sounds like the old gal is not liked, but does her job. Teaching is not a popularity contest, determination of a bad teacher is about perspective vs job.

rodin South Dakota
12/24/12 10:34 pm

right to work is more a tool to fight the unions/mafia protection rackets

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rodin South Dakota
12/24/12 10:30 pm

as an employer, you should be able to fire any employee for no reason at all

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RJ1969 SoCal
12/24/12 10:26 pm

well, apparently she doesn't have a right to work because a perv can't control himself and was ordered by his wife to fire her.

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RJ1969 SoCal
12/24/12 10:25 pm

he testified that she was the best employee he had ever had.

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deathvalley Chicago native
12/24/12 10:23 pm

You can't prove discrimination but he could have always said that she wasn't meeting the demands of the job!

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BryanK OK
12/24/12 10:06 pm

Are you kidding me ? Is this really what America is coming to ?

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JackTorS Clap you stupid bastards
12/24/12 10:01 pm

This is the only exception. Are there multiple exceptions like this for tort claims?

JackTorS Clap you stupid bastards
12/24/12 10:00 pm

In my state, the only situation an officer is allowed to make an arrest for a potential crime is an instance of eminent disorderly conduct/disturbing the peace. This is if an officer leaves the scene where the parties are still present and his action of leaving would cause the crime to be committed.

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JackTorS Clap you stupid bastards
12/24/12 9:49 pm

Having an affair with Nelson and sexually harassing her are two different things.
An affair is complicit with both parties. If he had approached her looking to get lucky and she is offended by his advances, that may be harassment.

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palindrome California
12/24/12 9:42 pm

Jack- sure there are. If there is a credible threat that a crime is actionable, authorities can arrest to prevent.

Rosebud- true. And that's where things get very interesting if you're into law. It's well known that retaliation firing is against the law. But what about pre-emotive firing?? Hmmm

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sheriboo
12/24/12 9:41 pm

A company owner can do whatever the hell they want to do. Isn't Iowa a right to work state? I love it!

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susanr Colorado
12/24/12 9:38 pm

..find you another position, a GOOD one, and I'll give you a great recommendation. Wouldn't that have been the morally right thing to do? Otherwise, he's just a giant ass, even if what he did was legal.

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Rosebud Ohio
12/24/12 9:38 pm

So Palin, you cannot remove yourself from a situation in order to avoid breaking the law and destroying the marriage? That's what he did... He didn't fire her for retaliation for anything she did.

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palindrome California
12/24/12 9:37 pm

Yes. That was the irresistible part he said led him to the conclusion that Nelson was a threat to his marriage. He said he "feared he would try to have an affair with her down the road if he did not fire her"

susanr Colorado
12/24/12 9:35 pm

I don't know the technicalities of the law, but let's assume firing her didn't violate any laws. OK, but did he HAVE to FIRE her? If its not her fault (again, an assumption), why couldn't he have said to her: Look, this is a bad situation and I want to do the right thing. Lets see if we can...

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JackTorS Clap you stupid bastards
12/24/12 9:35 pm

In our society, you can't be arrested because you might break the law. I would assume this applies to lawsuits as well.

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JackTorS Clap you stupid bastards
12/24/12 9:30 pm

Did Knight state that he would have harassed her sexually if she remained on the job?

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palindrome California
12/24/12 9:27 pm

You're right about it being my opinion too. Yes. But I think, given the evidence that Knight WAS being increasingly suggestive in his advances towards Nelson (texting her at night, asking her about how many orgasms she has etc), that there was an imminent harassment coming and the firing is unlawful

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
12/24/12 9:27 pm

I think an employer should have the right to hire or fire for any reason or no reason whatsoever, even if that reason is dumb.

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
12/24/12 9:26 pm

It was probably the dentist's wife who was presuming.

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palindrome California
12/24/12 9:23 pm

I'm going to have to say, more deliberation will be needed.

palindrome California
12/24/12 9:22 pm

Jack- you're right. She does not contend that sexual harassment was committed (which would be a violation), instead she argues that the firing was to PREVENT sexual harassment.

Ultimate Question is, is a firing to "avoid sexual harassment" on the same level of a firing for actual sexual harassment?

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Rosebud Ohio
12/24/12 9:21 pm

Palin- if she never claimed he harassed her, then they were still in the right to rule against her.

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ZacharyFL FL
12/24/12 9:20 pm

It's a private company? Do what you want

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JackTorS Clap you stupid bastards
12/24/12 9:17 pm

You may be right, but unfortunately that is only opinion, albeit a very passionate one.
I'm not sure if this ruling opens more cans of worms than it closes, but judging from the emotional response in this thread alone, one thing is certain; more deliberation is needed.

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kiera 55124
12/24/12 9:16 pm

Everybody wants to sue someone.

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