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Show Of Hands November 17th, 2012 12:00am

California has begun implementing a "cap and trade" environmental protection program, in which companies purchase credits for their greenhouse gas emissions. Good plan?

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Dinglberry
11/17/12 5:39 pm

i dont know man when i get some beans in me i could prolly put up a good fight with a dino :)

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ilikepi Somewhere near Japan
11/17/12 5:35 pm

Soon enough they'll be happily lining up to pay taxes on the very air they breath.

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roybiker12
11/17/12 5:33 pm

I forgot about the bullet train. Another economically unsustainable project. Many future generations will still be subsidizing it.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 5:33 pm

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out!

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commonsense America isnt racist
11/17/12 5:30 pm

Yep. It's already happening. Small businesses are leaving in droves.

bkcrt California
11/17/12 5:28 pm

I am actually moving out of California soon because of these kinds of moronic policies. I'll never look back.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/17/12 5:25 pm

I don't know about dinosaur farts, but my sense is that the large naturally caused fires burning continuously throughout the world and closer to home every summer liberate far more carbon into the system than all of us puny humans combined. Maybe we should focus on putting them out now and then.

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satguy08 California
11/17/12 5:22 pm

Heck we have a bullet train to nowhere, why not this? just one more thing to crush this state, all liberals know how to do is destroy

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/17/12 5:19 pm

There's an article at calwatchdog.com on a lawsuit filed by the CA Chamber of Commerce that got my uneducated attention. “What was not authorized by AB 32 is the Board’s decision to withhold for itself ..<snip>.. thus raising from taxpayers up to $70 billion or more of revenue for the state to use."

SGTHOOAH
11/17/12 5:19 pm

Haha even California says no!

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CDFL alt right, alt snowflake
11/17/12 5:17 pm

Lol except that whole mass extinction thing where the dinosaurs all died

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bb1884
11/17/12 5:07 pm

Global warming caused by humans is a load... Dinosaurs produced twice more greenhouse gases with their farts alone and the planet didn't die then.

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HowardT Massachusetts
11/17/12 5:05 pm

32% of all people in this country on welfare are from CA, yet you only have 1/8 the total population. I can't wait till they nationalize your state debt and failed policies. It makes me ill thinking about it.

EarlyBird Portland
11/17/12 5:03 pm

Ding - where did that come from? You want to get rid of CA because they're attempting to clean the air?
How does it affect you?

tydye
11/17/12 5:02 pm

Anyone who actually studied Cap & Trade knows it's a sham. Stupid political gimmick. Treat the source not the problem.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:59 pm

sure it will.

we keep propping up poor states with our tax dollars. maybe the alternative is to stop that and let them fold.

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veritas1 Panda
11/17/12 4:59 pm

Ummm…what? The only thing keeping the majority of Republican states out of "bankruptcy" is liberal taxpayer dollars. California gives more money to the federal government then it receives. Any internal budget issues are solved and taxed internally, they don't take other people's money to pay for it.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:58 pm

Although I see a point developing, that there shouldn't be any revenue from it, the law does specify that revenues captured from selling the credits will go specifically into development of GH-reducing technology. so, I suppose it is a positive feedback mechanism. Good question zod.

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veritas1 Panda
11/17/12 4:56 pm

The state only profits (to my understanding) when companies are forced to buy excess allowances because that is cheaper than becoming more efficient. Not requiring them to buy allowances would defeat the whole point of incentivizing (through cost enforcement) CO2 efficiency.

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DamageInc California
11/17/12 4:55 pm

CA likes to think that it is so progressive and the leader of all things. it will be the leader and first state to file BK.

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bryank21
11/17/12 4:53 pm

A King of the Hill episode proved it wrong guys...I'm sure they'll take the logical, sound advice of a cartoon about rednecks over the completely illogical facts politicians and scientists claim.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:53 pm

That's a good question zod. Let me stew on that for a bit.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:52 pm

BTW, CA is the third largest crude oil producer in the U.S. Just a little FYI there smart guy.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/17/12 4:51 pm

RJ setting aside the environmental and global warming arguments, and whether Cap and Trade is a rational approach, what is the "for" argument to the state profiting from the sale of credits? If the environment is the focus, wouldn't eliminating parasitic costs (the state's cut) be more on point?

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:46 pm

"because your state thinks we can fix our energy prob with wind and solar"

That is pure genius!

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:44 pm

wait...did you just say the stimulus created jobs?!

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:44 pm

solyndra, who went into bankruptcy proceedings before the 2001-12 data was available, helped create 276,000 jobs?

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JDC10020
11/17/12 4:44 pm

There was a whole king of the hill episode about this. The the polluting companies just keep on polluting. It's much more sound to get the advertising for green project better funding and availability. Then get gas and coal out of Gov't. Don't be fooled, they're still in bed.

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11/17/12 4:44 pm

so more companies will leave CA and cause more financial problem for them...lol

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Dinglberry
11/17/12 4:43 pm

obama wants "natural energy" use he has dumped a ton of $$$ into companies that research alternative energy, many big companies like this r in CA. because your state thinks we can fix our energy prob with wind and solar

RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:41 pm

so, the conclusions of science are actually myths, because someone named commonsense say so.

makes total sense.

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Dinglberry
11/17/12 4:40 pm

solyndra, stimulus $$$.... want me to keep going?

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:39 pm

any day now.....

Please. don't let something like facts get in the way of your claims.

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chemist2016
11/17/12 4:38 pm

liberal sharks your food is running scarce our increasing diverse and educated country is causing the food to go extinct eat while you can lol

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:37 pm

let's see...CA the first state to enact those job killing tobacco laws that everyone else has since copied...and we finally have a drop in cancer deaths. fascinating.

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Dinglberry
11/17/12 4:37 pm

take your fortune 500 companies allong with your emissions/"global warming" BS... we'll be better off without it

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:35 pm

if anyone wants to try and explain why CA is 10th in job creation from sept 2011 to sept 2012, please share.

maybe why also SF and San Diego are 1 and 4 cities nationally for job growth.

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bryank21
11/17/12 4:35 pm

Can someone reply to my quote about Romney? Or are all the conservatives too afraid to argue against facts.

RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:34 pm

Wow, Chief Executive Magazine!

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:33 pm

can you please explain state bankruptcy theory? I'm really interested to know how the world's 8th largest economy will lose it's value to the point of filing with some bank of earth for bankruptcy.

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bryank21
11/17/12 4:33 pm

That's funny how your username is commonsense but you lack exactly that. Global Warming has mountains of evidence behind it.

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roybiker12
11/17/12 4:32 pm

I have taken precautions, I bought another pair of shorts.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 4:32 pm

we have 53....you have 6. stellar!

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SugarShaq
11/17/12 4:31 pm

Fortune 500 companies in in

roybiker12
11/17/12 4:31 pm

Chief Executive Magazine has rated California at 50 out of 50 states for doing business two years in a row. I'm sure new taxes & Cap & Trade will help prospects.

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bryank21
11/17/12 4:30 pm

@veritas Sorry, didn't pick up on the humor in your post. I'm just pissed that the conservatives can't accept science.

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SugarShaq
11/17/12 4:30 pm

California will be the first state to go bankrupt leading us into collapse.

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