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Show Of Hands November 17th, 2012 12:00am

California has begun implementing a "cap and trade" environmental protection program, in which companies purchase credits for their greenhouse gas emissions. Good plan?

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MrMilkdud
11/17/12 8:28 pm

I agree. I think we should stop paying all federal taxes, stop accepting all federal money, and figure out how to make up that 10% on our own.
Better for the state and the country.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 8:27 pm

look up a list of our governors...then, look at their party affiliation and get back to us.

while you're at it, look up our representatives we sent to the house, are they Ds or Rs?

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 8:26 pm

milkdud, you're floundering. keep trying buddy, keep trying.

veritas1 Panda
11/17/12 8:25 pm

That creepy, RJ. Third time now we've both responded simultaneously with roughly the same comment.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 8:25 pm

AZ is the center of the computer and biotech universe. as well as an agricultural power and import/export hub.

CA is the 3rd largest oil producer. we have more fortune 500 companies than any other state. our GDP makes us the 8th largest economy in the world.

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MrMilkdud
11/17/12 8:24 pm

Another slam on a poster's state?
Look, we both know your positions are weak..
But rather than degrade yourself by stooping to ad hominem attacks, just admit you're wrong or at least unsure of your position.
At least you'll be showing a little more character- tough for a liberal, but possible.

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veritas1 Panda
11/17/12 8:24 pm

@Danno. For every dollar you pay in taxes, we have to pay your state $1.19 to keep you mooches solvent. You are a drag on taxpayers.

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sydwel
11/17/12 8:23 pm

Don't know the details, but if it is a well thought out plan, then yes, I am always in favor of environmental protection.

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veritas1 Panda
11/17/12 8:22 pm

I agree. Nothing good has ever come out California. No advancement of any kind. Ever. Especially not medical or technological.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 8:22 pm

yeah, had nothing to do with the biggest rescission in our life time. or the fact we pay to prop up poor states.

Glad to see that everybody recognizes that little tid-bit.

danno9
11/17/12 8:21 pm

California is run by democrats. They haven't had a good idea in years. It shows.

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veritas1 Panda
11/17/12 8:20 pm

@milkdud. For every dollar your state gives the Feds in taxes, we have have to give you $1.10 back to keep you solvent. You are drag on our taxpayers…including California taxpayers.

rons Thanks America
11/17/12 8:20 pm

Now you know why they're billions in the red.

MrMilkdud
11/17/12 8:18 pm

RJ- the last moratorium lasted 30 years.
Oh, and after the Fukushima disaster other countries are calling for a complete ban on nuclear power.
Just google it.

So, I wouldn't be too flippant about the possible length of this suspension.

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fourwinds box of rain
11/17/12 8:18 pm

Whoops, that was meant for below. See bb1884 @ 6:07

veritas1 Panda
11/17/12 8:16 pm

Yup. They'll just pack up the refineries and plop them down in some other state. Who needs the economy demand of the world's 9th largest economy anyway? Abandoning that is the smart business move for sure.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 8:16 pm

ueah....just pack up and take those refineries some place else. so easy to do. just like relocating a rubber dog sht factory to Arizona. same thing.

fourwinds box of rain
11/17/12 8:16 pm

That is believed to have been part of the dinosaurs demise: soot and ash from the spread of worldwide forest fires, after the asteroid impact,significantly blocked out the suns energy from reaching earth. Supposedly it was as dark as night for months.

RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 8:15 pm

....and, dinosaurs farted a lot, so CO2 emissions are OK.

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Happy Hong Kong
11/17/12 8:14 pm

Just wait. California will suffer if Chevron decides to leave the State.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 8:14 pm

I have more people living in my city than in your whole state. and you think you have something to say?

fourwinds box of rain
11/17/12 8:12 pm

Actually Zod, those fires could contribute to cooling (though a very insignificant amount compared to warming) if they are widespread enough and can get high enough into the atmosphere to block or filter out some of the sun's energy from reaching the surface.

veritas1 Panda
11/17/12 8:12 pm

So far on this thread, California is communist, RJ is flawed as a person, science is fake, climate change isn't real, and the Catholic Church is an agent of social progress.

And people say we are lagging behind in intelligence and education.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 8:12 pm

yeah, 4 cities filed for bankruptcy...one rich town because of a law suit. too bad we can't be the economic powerhouse that is nebraska. the beacon of tomorrow.

city finance and a state economy are radically different, my friend. not even close.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 8:09 pm

how are you going to "dodge the bullet" to save the country (damn, you're heroic!)?

MrMilkdud
11/17/12 8:07 pm

California is going bankrupt, RJ- don't you pay attention? City after city in CA has been filing for bankruptcy.
When city economies fail, the state those cities are in isn't far behind.
www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2012/07/12/california-cities-go-bankrupt-but-bullet-train-barrels-on/

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/17/12 8:06 pm

I think it's about time I add a clause to my living will. If I ever look to Glenn Beck for guidance or "expertise" on ANY subject, kill me, kill me now.

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fourwinds box of rain
11/17/12 8:05 pm

Not to mention, past cycles of heating and cooling are simply further evidence that we are effecting the climate. Global temperatures are highly sensitive to positive radiative forcing (accumulation of heat) from CO2. This has been confirmed by many empirical lines of evidence.

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veritas1 Panda
11/17/12 8:02 pm

Some states in the Northeast already have a version of cap-and-trade. They hail it as a success.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 8:02 pm

milkdud, oh yes....it is soooo over. this suspension will be permanent. it's not like they are saying "hey, get your sht together and we can continue on the goals we've set forth, to build new plants". so, because of a suspension, that means it's totally off then....in your mind.

MrMilkdud
11/17/12 8:01 pm

Wrong.
www.economist.com/node/21549098

And read my comment in the thread below. Your map is from march, 2012- the Feds suspended all nuclear projects in August.

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MrMilkdud
11/17/12 7:56 pm

No, RJ, more like prohibition- but this time we'll get the chance to dodge the bullet before it hurts the whole country.

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MrMilkdud
11/17/12 7:53 pm

RJ- that nuclear map was last updated in march. In August the Feds suspended plans for ALL new nuclear sites.

It isn't right to cherry pick data and present incomplete data to falsely bolster your position. Didn't they teach you better than that in your graduate program?

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Liberty 4,032,064
11/17/12 7:49 pm

How much will it take for Al Gore to absolve me of burning my outdoor propane heater? I'm trying to summon Global Warming to stay for the winter.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 7:46 pm

exactly! just like smoking laws.

and car emission standards. and three strikes laws. and worker's safety laws. and highway design standards. and.....

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 7:43 pm

don't have a job....just a slight exaggeration.

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MrMilkdud
11/17/12 7:43 pm

Actually, it is good that CA is doing this.
After it fails the other 49 states will hopefully see how ridiculous it is and this stupid idea will finally die before the federal government won't force it down our throats.

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JohnnyC
11/17/12 7:42 pm

This will be disaster.

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taylorred
11/17/12 7:40 pm

Can you please explain to me how penalizing businesses for polluting our air will make california more polluted in the air???

RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 7:39 pm

who's in bankruptcy? can you supply a link?

taylorred
11/17/12 7:38 pm

Actually, this can have a big effect on how the environment is affected by business. If it costs them money to pollute, they would stop polluting in order to be more cost effective.

MrMilkdud
11/17/12 7:38 pm

RJ- you've used that tactic multiple times in this discussion. Your habit of criticizing other people or states is a thinly veiled admission that you can't respond substantively to their comments.
You are the self appointed paladin of every ridiculous liberal idea and therefore have no credibility.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/17/12 7:37 pm

I'm sorry. I just shot water out of my nose when I read that.

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CommonCent
11/17/12 7:36 pm

And I've got a bridge they can buy too!!
Damn, liberals are gullible!!
Way to bankrupt a State, libs!! Aren't you proud?!?

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