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Show Of Hands November 17th, 2012 12:00am

California has begun implementing a "cap and trade" environmental protection program, in which companies purchase credits for their greenhouse gas emissions. Good plan?

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roybiker12
11/18/12 9:43 pm

California has the 3rd highest unemployment rate in the nation. I'll bet raising taxes, increasing regulations, raising costs of doing business will help.

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roybiker12
11/18/12 9:37 pm

Suck more & more money out of the private sector & wonder why things are deteriorating. The other 49 are not going to bail out profligate spending California.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/18/12 9:37 pm

it appears that brrrrr has chosen to block my posts, rather than engage in the discussion. too bad. the bubble is sooo much better than reality.

RJ1969 SoCal
11/18/12 9:32 pm

yeah, great example. because CA economics is just like a state with 1/10 our population and only a fraction of the economic relevance.

if only we could all just go back to the little house on the prairie days.

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NUwriter
11/18/12 9:04 pm

It amazes me how progessives create this problem to suit their ends. More government contol of the economy, and more money to pay for it. Liberty be damned.

NUwriter
11/18/12 9:02 pm

Science is by its very nature skeptical. But that's not how the climate change cult works. They had the solution before they eve had a problem to go with it. And that solution will limit the future of our kids. So no, you leave the country, and take your statism with you.

roybiker12
11/18/12 8:31 pm

When Walker was elected governor of Wisconsin the state was facing unsustainable debt will little hope of relief. In a few short years the state has eliminated its deficit, cut taxes & is seeing increased revenues. California could learn a few things about good management & elementary economics.

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Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 8:29 pm

As incapable as you are to admit your mistake here, Veritas, you have actually learned a lesson today. You will never again utter the words "evolution is central to most fields of astronomy, chemistry and geology" because you now know how thoroughly incapable you are of backing it up.

veritas1 Panda
11/18/12 8:17 pm

@Brrrrr Awww. That so sad. You can't answer a simple question. Don't even have the courage to demonstrate your ignorance.

But, for the third time (i'll use words even you can understand): Big boom made the unive…shiny things in the sky. Fossils…dead doggy bones and imprints in the ground.

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Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 8:04 pm

Here's your precise quote "evolution is the unifying theory of biology, central also to most fields of chemistry, geology, astronomy..." back it up, or pack it up!

balugadofis FOR MINECRAFTIA
11/18/12 7:58 pm

RIch corporations get almost infinite carbon emissions, so it will have almost no effect on actual emission levels

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veritas1 Panda
11/18/12 7:02 pm

Ha! The Big Bang and the fossil record aren't important to their respective fields?! Clueless.

But instead of avoiding the issue here, explain how evolution is "nonsense."

Bankai In God we still trust
11/18/12 6:56 pm

Its all a big scam and just a different way to say tax.

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joey96hac
11/18/12 6:28 pm

ok, we got it. The theory of evolution trumps the laws of thermodynamics because cool people told you so. Plus, creationists are empty-headed fools, statistically better educated and wealthier than you, but fools all the same. Bottom line,Californians pay more for everything. Awesome!

Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 6:17 pm

There's a reply button, by the way. Unless you're busy trying to distance yourself from everything else you've said before.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 6:14 pm

Quit grasping at straws. Or explain how evolution is central to most fields of astronomy and geology. I'd like to see you try. (sans straw-grasping)

And people like me are the reason they don't slice you open and let your disease flow out with the blood every time you get a fever.

Kcolbert Illinois
11/18/12 5:48 pm

Cap and trade is a regressive tax on the poor.

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chemist2016
11/18/12 5:41 pm

That only works with inelastic goods

veritas1 Panda
11/18/12 4:45 pm

@Brrrr. Big Bang? Fossil Record? Is your breadth of knowledge so small and ignorant of the world you ignore these things?

People like you are the reason science-deniers are the shame of any civilized nation.

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Diogenes FreeMeBe
11/18/12 4:10 pm

S*it rolls downhill. It's only a matter of time before these companies increase the cost to the consumer and individuals must pay "carbon credits".

The little guy loses regardless. But Man-bear-pig will make like a bandit.

RJ1969 SoCal
11/18/12 3:06 pm

That is a ridiculous statement. Absolutely laughable!

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Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 3:05 pm

And astronomy!??

This all-overriding desire to defend evolution is exactly why I don't pay any attention to science fetishists.

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/18/12 3:04 pm

so, by your comments so far the answer is no.

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Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 3:01 pm

Which field of geology is evolution central to? You've got that precisely backwards. The geologist doesn't care one bit about whether or not his findings match up with evolutionary theory, it is the evolutionist who has to hope and pray his theory matches with the geologist's findings.

veritas1 Panda
11/18/12 2:40 pm

Don't attribute to the err of scientists what should be attributed to your own self-regarding ignorance.

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veritas1 Panda
11/18/12 2:39 pm

@Brrr. I'd so so far as to say together Evolution and the standard model are basic to almost all fields of science in some way. Evolution is the unifying theory of biology, central also to most fields of chemistry, geology, astronomy, psychology, sociology, and medicine.

RJ1969 SoCal
11/18/12 2:38 pm

Brrrrr, do you understand what a scientific theory is?

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RJ1969 SoCal
11/18/12 2:27 pm

Evolution is fundamental to biology. better?

Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 2:22 pm

Physics is science, how is evolution fundamental to physics? Herein lies your crippling fear of questioning scientific consensus. You, like most science fetishists, have erroneously confused "a science" with science. Believe it or not, most evolutionists I've come make this precise same mistake.

RJ1969 SoCal
11/18/12 2:12 pm

Things like evolution and ecology (climate change) are too difficult for some people to understand, so they go with something easier. like the creation myth that illiterate goat herders came up with 5,000 years ago or what some blow hard on talk radio tells you to believe.

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veritas1 Panda
11/18/12 1:55 pm

…than some climate-change deniers can do damage. If you hate reality, go ahead. Just don't force your irrationality on our schools and limit the future of our kids. Move to another country and do that somewhere else.

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veritas1 Panda
11/18/12 1:53 pm

Whereas a larger portion of America clings to their ignorance in regards to evolution. Additionally, these imbeciles are trying to ruin the science education of our children by removing it from curriculums. That single handedly does more to ensure we aren't innovators in science in the future…

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EarlyBird Portland
11/18/12 1:52 pm

Email Tony and see if he can reset for you.

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veritas1 Panda
11/18/12 1:50 pm

1. We've been having that discussion for 500 comments now.
2. There isn't jack sh*t you can do to force your ignorant view in everyone else. The majority of America is capable of seeing reality.
3. Evolution is more fundamental to science than almost any other theory.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 1:36 pm

How come you went on the defense for evolution but ignored climate change? Both have the "scientific consensus" badge, do they not?

RJ1969 SoCal
11/18/12 1:25 pm

I don't understand why issues about science or economics has to be all about political persuasion, every time.

veritas1 Panda
11/18/12 1:22 pm

@Brrr. Evolution is nonsense? That is utter nonsense. Clearly you know so about the subject and not just ignorantly regurgitating the talking points you heard from know-nothings and/or liars.

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chemist2016
11/18/12 12:46 pm

I bet you believe burning something makes it disappear into nothing

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HayleyS looking up.
11/18/12 12:46 pm

I accidentally ignored RJ a long time ago. Now I'm frustrated because I can't read this discussion -.-

BriD Illinois
11/18/12 12:35 pm

Typical inane comments from Brrrrrrrr... Sad.

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Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 11:37 am

(1) is used when yapping on about evolution, and (2) is used when yapping on about climate change. Incidentally, both nonsense. Or maybe not incidental, who know?

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Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 11:30 am

2) humans are so massively influential that they have the capacity to alter the climate system of the entire planet...by accident. Humans are a curse on this planet and have no right to alter anything.

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Brrrrrrrrr
11/18/12 11:30 am

Depending on which suits their cause the most, libocrats have been known to say 1 of two things.

1) humans are insignificant little nothings that will vanish just as suddenly as they appeared. If the planet is one day old, humanity only accounts for about a second of that day.

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timeout Boston Strong
11/18/12 11:00 am

It amazes me how conservatives ignore this problem. Climate change exist and needs to addressed. Cap and trade is a great way to do this.
Good for California. It addresses two problems there. New revenue and cutting down on carbon emission.

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acavemand The Burgh
11/18/12 10:41 am

That's the worst logic I've heard in a while. I'm not sure if you noticed but ALL OF THEM DIED!!!!

RJ1969 SoCal
11/18/12 10:23 am

Look up the "race to the bottom" theory.

RJ1969 SoCal
11/18/12 10:16 am

what are you citing?

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roybiker12
11/18/12 10:14 am

The rates of global warming from 1860–1880, 1910–1940 and 1975–1998, and 1975–2009 ―are similar and not statistically significantly different from each other.

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