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Show Of Hands November 17th, 2012 12:00am

California has begun implementing a "cap and trade" environmental protection program, in which companies purchase credits for their greenhouse gas emissions. Good plan?

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pcfz
11/17/12 1:46 pm

This is legalized bribery.

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pcfz
11/17/12 1:46 pm

U really are. Environmental protection has got nothing to do with socialism. And if it did, any environmentally friendly, environmentalist or any person with a sane mind would see that anyone with enough money can completely pay off all emissions.

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pcfz
11/17/12 1:44 pm

Wow California......that's just a sell out.....

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DunkinFrunk Austin area, Texas
11/17/12 1:39 pm

Yet one more reason why California sucks

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snuffulufugus Missouri
11/17/12 1:39 pm

If you think any of that is a scientific word, then you're an idiot

andrewv SC
11/17/12 1:39 pm

You're an idiot

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kytoaltoky
11/17/12 1:26 pm

How gracious would we be if they were venting cyanide or lead into the environment? Would we allow them to keep doing it as long as they paid us off? Not without a giant scandal!

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3rdSide
11/17/12 1:26 pm

This does nothing for climate change. It's simply a revenue maker with a name attached

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kytoaltoky
11/17/12 1:24 pm

Sounds like a compromise to me. If they were really aggressive about it, they would just ban the emissions outright, and shut them down if they don't comply.

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EarlyBird Portland
11/17/12 1:20 pm

Roy- this is why I can't make a decision on this issue. A couple comments below you says climate change is a lot worse than previously thought. And a link is provided.
How can anyone know one way or the other when scientists can't even agree?

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ovcourse Commiefornia FJB
11/17/12 1:08 pm

Good for Socialism.

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STLRedbird
11/17/12 1:08 pm

It's a GREAT way to put the final nail in the economic demise of California. Congratulations.

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roybiker12
11/17/12 1:06 pm

Data reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures. This "pause" in global warming does not fit the models of the global warming theorists.

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MisterE Conservistan
11/17/12 1:04 pm

Man-made climate change is a hoax. CO2 is an effect of rising temperatures. Solar activity is obviously the cause of climate change. This makes California's new policy a complete waste of time. Now businesses will be forced to move or close their doors. I'm glad I don't live their anymore.

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jtearman
11/17/12 1:01 pm

And what mess it is

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Brrrrrrrrr
11/17/12 12:57 pm

In which the democrats unwittingly support a system that enables big corporations to squeeze the little guys out of business.(something they're usually always complaining about)

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hapiotter3
11/17/12 12:49 pm

Oops - sorry for the double post. Not sure what happened.

hapiotter3
11/17/12 12:48 pm

Please see www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate showing climate change is worse than we thought. At least California is trying something! I wish all states would try something, then we could all use the strategies that work!

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hapiotter3
11/17/12 12:48 pm

Please see www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate showing climate change is worse than we thought. At least California is trying something! I wish all states would try something, then we could all use the strategies that work!

osouless Whats Next
11/17/12 12:31 pm

I voted no because i didnt understand what was being asked.

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roybiker12
11/17/12 12:31 pm

Wouldn't it just be easier to leave the state?

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jmofwiw
11/17/12 12:28 pm

Just one more reason not to do business in California.

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realpolitik
11/17/12 12:24 pm

You're using scientific terms. Republicans don't understand that language.

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realpolitik
11/17/12 12:23 pm

So you're saying that Republicans are bright? Tell that to the 2012 Republican Presidential candidates

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roybiker12
11/17/12 12:21 pm

I enjoy watching California's legislature work, what could be funnier? They can do what they want but when they ask the rest of us to bail them out, we have to stand back & let them go. They have created their own mess.

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EmpLeto2 Michigan
11/17/12 12:16 pm

I'm having a problem with comments.

BAL North Carolina
11/17/12 12:16 pm

I love how big of a tree hugger California is and then you look at Los Angeles and a huge cloud of smog sits on top of it.

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roybiker12
11/17/12 12:14 pm

When California drives its remaining companies & jobs to 3rd world nations, do you think those nations will produce more or less carbon per unit of production? Not only does this make California poorer, it generates more CO2.

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chemist2016
11/17/12 12:13 pm

It's not a good idea because it creates a market for limited credits it would be easier to tax depending on the amount that they do

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roybiker12
11/17/12 12:11 pm

Here is a state which is literally broke & losing jobs putting in place a policy that will have absolutely zero impact on global warming. This is further proof that liberals are actually not very bright.

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DrReid Ever present.
11/17/12 12:09 pm

They would not be broke if they did not have to pay to keep red states afloat.

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chemist2016
11/17/12 12:08 pm

That's if the product they sell is in elastic but if it is elastic then this will not effect us

snuffulufugus Missouri
11/17/12 12:02 pm

I like that. Maybe try to let them fix their pollution problem before they have to pay for it

wetheslaves Live each moment fully
11/17/12 11:59 am

They should start low and slowly turn up the heat. This gives business time to respond and upgrade equipment according to their scheduled 5 or 10 year plan.

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SGTHOOAH
11/17/12 11:55 am

Making the cost of the product increase, what do you think will be the outcome? Either the company will leave the state or the cost will be added to the purchase price of the product. Good job democrats, saving the world spending other people's money.

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tdyakker lost
11/17/12 11:45 am

How exactly? I'm not sure Californians have enough paint!

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gramps
11/17/12 11:44 am

Don 't trade, CLEAN IT UP!

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snafu Washington
11/17/12 11:39 am

Another brilliant idea from California...couldn't we just give it back to Mexico or something?
Everything California does is stupid no wonder they're broke.

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bornontheblue Idaho
11/17/12 11:36 am

Why would a business choose to remain in California. Anti business policies, high taxes are causing producers to move out to more business friendly states. I say come bring your jobs to my state.

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gonzoboy Arizona
11/17/12 11:30 am

It just seems to me, that if a predetermined profit margin made an additional fee acceptable, why would a business or corporation care about their carbon emissions(?). If increases in profit justifies the penalty, corporations could actually pollute at a GREATER rate than they EVER could.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/17/12 11:25 am

It's a way to make money off the environmentalists' fervor without bothering to actually do anything that might improve the environment. You've heard the phrase "win win", meet it's evil twin "lose lose". Why not just develop an achievable standard and enforce it? Oh right. No money in that.

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andrewv SC
11/17/12 11:23 am

I would have to read more into it but anything protecting our environment is generally beneficial.

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TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
11/17/12 11:20 am

Libertarians are just hybrids. They're Dems on social issues (legalize all drugs for example), and repubs on fiscal issues (balance the budget for example). This means I agree with them on only 50%. The libertarian party won't get far when half of it is offensive to most people.

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TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
11/17/12 11:16 am

Earlybird, ha. Funny how we get to know each other just from a shirt screen name, right??? SOH is like a community. Haven't seen cowboy in a while.

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alex1018
11/17/12 11:07 am

Good luck with your economy CA

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lac
11/17/12 11:07 am

How ridiculous! Haven't you all realized that California is the most liberal state yet it is the most indebted. The two go hand-in-hand. This is just another tax on corporations.

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TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
11/17/12 11:06 am

Boxer, you must be right about the grocery store business. My son sacks groceries at a small grocery store in our town of 4000 people and he was told the day after the election that he would be laid-off when Obamacare gets implemented. I'm sure a cap and trade tax would have the same impact.

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