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11/27/12 4:13 pm
Who cares? Really so you have to look at something religious. Oh no they are pushing religion on me. Get real if it means something to you then fine if it doesn't that's fine too. Why make everything an issue?
11/27/12 4:10 pm
History fail to you, the Pope wasn't in England. The monarch is the Head of the Church of England. The Brits aren't Catholic. Until this year, the royals were't even allowed to marry a Catholic. But, the Pilgrims came to escape them.
11/27/12 4:04 pm
The Pope had no power in England. England isn't a Catholic country. The Monarch is the head of the Church. The Pilgrims came to America because they didn't want to have to join the Church of England. The founding fathers put the separation of church and state in so that other faiths could
11/27/12 3:58 pm
Whether its the 10 commandments or a nativity scene, these things belong in human folklore not government. If you want to pretend there is a god, go to church,but leave your fairy tales out of my government.
11/27/12 3:58 pm
Is there a law that requires such displays, or is there not? There is a factual answer to this poll, and the "yes" voters are getting it wrong.
The results aren't surprising, by the way. God haters will reliably attempt to cloud the issue with other irrelevant considerations.
11/27/12 3:57 pm
If that is someone's property and they consented that they have christmas trees put into their property then that's not violating any laws.
11/27/12 3:54 pm
Not at all, I was referring to nativity scenes or Christmas trees being referred to as laws. I guess I don't understand your meaning or point.
11/27/12 3:51 pm
But the ruling was not about laws like them it was about The 10 Commandments on stone tablets according to Jewish and Christian beliefs. The Quran has similar laws but it is not the same as the 10 Commandments.
Doopy Remedial Americanism
11/27/12 3:50 pm
Well, Palindrome you do realize your positive claim there is no God requires just as much supporting evidence as mine that there is one. If you can say we are not under God, I can say we are. One of us is right and one is wrong. I know I'm the one who is right.
erapenguin In the swamp
11/27/12 3:50 pm
The Catholic Church had been underground in England for 200 years before the Pilgrims, and for about 350 years by 1776. If America was scared of the Catholic Church, it wasn't talking about England.
11/27/12 3:47 pm
So God's laws put on stone tablets according to Bible, is ok, but the Birth of Christ is not? I take both events as very important Religious events.
11/27/12 3:45 pm
That was probably to me. And yes I am being a jerk and to be honest I don't care. Fight fire with fire.
11/27/12 3:43 pm
: "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise
11/27/12 3:41 pm
The Ten Commandments don't really express any particular religious belief- they can be found in Judaism, Islam-- nearly all religions have some form of laws similar to those.
The nativity scene doesn't. It's unique to the Christian religion. Again, this is the context of Van Orden v Perry
11/27/12 3:39 pm
quite different and, in the context the court ruled in, would probably be ruled differently because the historical and social significance of the nativity points to the founding of the Christian religion-- not to our laws or way of life. It's an explicit display of a particular religious belief
11/27/12 3:37 pm
Van Orden was a case dealing with the 10 commandments. The court explicitly said that because of the nature of the Ten Commandments and their social and historical impact on our system and more specifically, our laws, that it wasn't an overt violation of the 1st amendment. A nativity scene is
11/27/12 3:36 pm
James Madison, who wrote the first amendment, Wanted a clear wall between state and religion. Believing that no religion had any value unless it was chosen by the individual.
11/27/12 3:32 pm
Oh be careful you used logic against them! They might overheat and 'asplode!
11/27/12 3:31 pm
Actually Palindrome the latest case on this was Van Orden Vs Perry. In 5-4 decision, "simply having religious content or promoting a message consistent with a religious doctrine does not run afoul of the establishment. Could not put up entire ruling. Please inform me since I am ignorant of another!
11/27/12 3:30 pm
Please tell me what this has to do with this. I'd love to know.
11/27/12 3:29 pm
What law? There's no law that requires them to put up such displays each year. Just regular people beautifying the workplace and taking part in the festivities.
Abolitionist Voice of the people
11/27/12 3:28 pm
I like how Christians scream this is a Christian nation, god this and god that then in the same breath they criticize Iran and Saudi Arabia for being ruled by religious law. Thomas Jefferson said religion produces 2 classes of people: hypocrites and fools.
11/27/12 3:26 pm
Obviously "thou shalt celebrate my birth with trees and glass figurines" is the hidden 11th commandment.
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