Show of Hands

Who cares? Really so you have to look at something religious. Oh no they are pushing religion on me. Get real if it means something to you then fine if it doesn't that's fine too. Why make everything an issue?

So you want the Government to just believe in Atheism?

Actually it was a ruling in Aronow v US in 1970 when they challenged that it had religious views

Christine, your definition of genocide is a lot wider than everyone else's.

History fail to you, the Pope wasn't in England. The monarch is the Head of the Church of England. The Brits aren't Catholic. Until this year, the royals were't even allowed to marry a Catholic. But, the Pilgrims came to escape them.

Tax payer money so city hall can have a Xmas tree? No thank you, you can cut that shit out of your next budget!

Public property - in other words, government buildings.

More funding hell! Needs a complete overhaul. Lol

The Pope had no power in England. England isn't a Catholic country. The Monarch is the head of the Church. The Pilgrims came to America because they didn't want to have to join the Church of England. The founding fathers put the separation of church and state in so that other faiths could

Healthcare doesn't belong in government either

Yeah, it was in response to communism. These people have no sense of history. Actually, they are proof that public education needs more funding.

Whether its the 10 commandments or a nativity scene, these things belong in human folklore not government. If you want to pretend there is a god, go to church,but leave your fairy tales out of my government.

Is there a law that requires such displays, or is there not? There is a factual answer to this poll, and the "yes" voters are getting it wrong.
The results aren't surprising, by the way. God haters will reliably attempt to cloud the issue with other irrelevant considerations.

Noone is, hell Jesus wouldn't even know a Christmas was. lol

If that is someone's property and they consented that they have christmas trees put into their property then that's not violating any laws.

How can you be against Christmas trees. Deal with it people

Not at all, I was referring to nativity scenes or Christmas trees being referred to as laws. I guess I don't understand your meaning or point.

Yet again, we are a Christian nation, not a Christian theocracy. No one is criticizing Turkey for it's laws.

But the ruling was not about laws like them it was about The 10 Commandments on stone tablets according to Jewish and Christian beliefs. The Quran has similar laws but it is not the same as the 10 Commandments.

Do you have a problem with articulate people?

Well, Palindrome you do realize your positive claim there is no God requires just as much supporting evidence as mine that there is one. If you can say we are not under God, I can say we are. One of us is right and one is wrong. I know I'm the one who is right.

They're allowed by city hall motions, ordinance or vote.. Look, no one just goes to city hall and just starts putting up decorations...lol

The Catholic Church had been underground in England for 200 years before the Pilgrims, and for about 350 years by 1776. If America was scared of the Catholic Church, it wasn't talking about England.

Once again, in English this time.

Christmas trees and nativity scenes are not laws, and therefore cannot be prohibited from public (or civil) places by the first amendment.

So God's laws put on stone tablets according to Bible, is ok, but the Birth of Christ is not? I take both events as very important Religious events.

That was probably to me. And yes I am being a jerk and to be honest I don't care. Fight fire with fire.

Yup!

: "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise

The Ten Commandments don't really express any particular religious belief- they can be found in Judaism, Islam-- nearly all religions have some form of laws similar to those.

The nativity scene doesn't. It's unique to the Christian religion. Again, this is the context of Van Orden v Perry

quite different and, in the context the court ruled in, would probably be ruled differently because the historical and social significance of the nativity points to the founding of the Christian religion-- not to our laws or way of life. It's an explicit display of a particular religious belief

Van Orden was a case dealing with the 10 commandments. The court explicitly said that because of the nature of the Ten Commandments and their social and historical impact on our system and more specifically, our laws, that it wasn't an overt violation of the 1st amendment. A nativity scene is

Me being a jerk? I didn't call some one ignorant and uninformed. I am just curious.

James Madison, who wrote the first amendment, Wanted a clear wall between state and religion. Believing that no religion had any value unless it was chosen by the individual.

Lol miss. I'm just stirring the pot

Miss, it's been in several comments already. Scroll down.

Exactly. It's a workplace, not your home. You don't need to put a giant tree or nativity scene in front of your office.

You could try not being a jerk about it. Might help.

I wonder why you took that nick - you don't seem somebody ruled by cold rationality.

So not being religious means you're religious?

Oh be careful you used logic against them! They might overheat and 'asplode!

Actually Palindrome the latest case on this was Van Orden Vs Perry. In 5-4 decision, "simply having religious content or promoting a message consistent with a religious doctrine does not run afoul of the establishment. Could not put up entire ruling. Please inform me since I am ignorant of another!

People have adopted Christmas without the religious part. Just like Christians stole Christmas from the pagans.

Please tell me what this has to do with this. I'd love to know.

Doopy- nah. The closest I'll cede is that we've always been 'one nation under your creator'

What law? There's no law that requires them to put up such displays each year. Just regular people beautifying the workplace and taking part in the festivities.

Mr Spock. Ah yes, you got me. I should have said our national motto.

I like how Christians scream this is a Christian nation, god this and god that then in the same breath they criticize Iran and Saudi Arabia for being ruled by religious law. Thomas Jefferson said religion produces 2 classes of people: hypocrites and fools.

Must be one fat cat to sit on top of a whole nation all day...

Obviously "thou shalt celebrate my birth with trees and glass figurines" is the hidden 11th commandment.