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Show Of Hands November 27th, 2012 12:00am

Are Christmas trees or nativity scenes in public places (city hall, etc.) a violation of the 1st Amendment clause: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."?

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BadWolf The Library
11/29/12 10:06 am

Waaaah Christians are so persecuted! Always the victim! Poor Christians!

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BadWolf The Library
11/29/12 10:05 am

It isn't against Christians displaying their religion. It's using public property to do it or favoring one religion over others. You can't fairly display every religion, and you don't need to display anything on someone else's property.

Think Lovin Life
11/29/12 9:18 am

Mitwister ... you are so hanging on the tiny thread that SOME of our founding fathers were Deists. You and I both know that the majority of the founders were Christians. Deal with it. You, Pdrome and ishady can't change it.

Think Lovin Life
11/29/12 9:15 am

Certainly there are some Christians who hate people who are different from them, and so do some non-Christians.

The hatred of some is no justification for the organized discrimination of Christians' rights to express their religion.

Think Lovin Life
11/29/12 9:13 am

The nativity in the town square is not pushing anything. It is however a protected expression of religion -- expressly protected by the first amendment.

BadWolf The Library
11/29/12 9:08 am

My garage was built by guys wearing blue, has a blue truck in it, and holds blue paint. Does that make it a blue garage?

Not to mention all your history is wrong, but whatever

BadWolf The Library
11/29/12 9:06 am

Really? Christians don't hate things that aren't their faith? Really?

Most atheists are upset when religion is pushed on them. Keep it to yourself and nobody cares.

Think Lovin Life
11/29/12 7:14 am

Secular Progressives (SPs) love to quote the first clause of the first amendment while trying to forget about the second, which is:
"...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..."

The SP attempts to remove religion from the public square are unconstitutional. So, religionists, celebrate away!

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Think Lovin Life
11/29/12 6:54 am

You know, it fascinating that you don't see Christians raining on the Winter Solstice parade, but Atheists and Agnostics can't stand people of faiths other than their own. So who are the real fascists?

Think Lovin Life
11/29/12 6:52 am

Born2 ... your assertion is false. Nobody is forcing anyone to say "Merry Christmas". It is the political correctness police who are attempting to outlaw all things Christmas.

So, with the same passion, do you condemn those who attempt to change our culture by outlawing Christmas?

Think Lovin Life
11/29/12 6:32 am

... and how is it that you know Atheists aren't worshiping the vulgar displays of publicly funded anti-Christian "art"?

Dang it, don't you just hate it when your convenient leftist excuses are laid waste?

Think Lovin Life
11/29/12 6:29 am

Pdrome ... Wrong! I've confused nothing, simply called out the hypocrisy of the left.

Christians don't worship the Christmas tree or even the nativity. Therefore, they both fall well within your "expression" definition and deserve AT LEAST equal public position/funding as the "Piss Christ".

wigginnutz indianapolis
11/29/12 5:46 am

Completely demonstrably false. Read your history. The founding fathers were deists at best, even with our limited scientific knowledge at the time. Today they would be full blown atheists knowing how they felt about Christianity from their own writings, and the wealth of scientific knowledge today

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mcloven007
11/28/12 10:35 pm

If atheist don't like the Christian decorations then they can post up sighs saying so, a public place is a public place and Christians and atheist have the right to put up whatever they want. Happy holidays.

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Emandava New Jersey
11/28/12 10:28 pm

What an angry Christian.. What is that guys name??? Oh yea the grinch haha happy holidays.

Emandava New Jersey
11/28/12 10:23 pm

Congress never passed a law saying the public has to put out trees and decorate. It's for the holiday spirit one decorates there house and most likely for business marketing in public places. But it makes the holiday season more special.

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palindrome California
11/28/12 9:42 pm

Sarasponda- Supreme Court 1971

Rosebud- god you're really something else. I'm not even going to address that dumb comment any further

babyboomer1 The flatulance express
11/28/12 9:11 pm

Really? That's your argument? Really?

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babyboomer1 The flatulance express
11/28/12 9:10 pm

Government by the people? BS
81% say no - yet?

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saintcl89
11/28/12 9:02 pm

I can give speeding tickets :-)

zigtiger823 everywhere
11/28/12 8:23 pm

It's not like their being forced not to celebrate their religion's holiday

palindrome California
11/28/12 8:13 pm

Think- you're confusing the issue. Art and religion are two separate things. That's no way to win an argument.

Religion has a long historical background and art isn't even in the same category as religion. Worship and expression aren't the same thing

born2teach
11/28/12 8:13 pm

Doesn't mean we have to force everyone to say merry Christmas! And I'm a Christian!

FastFusion nj
11/28/12 8:03 pm

Just like Israel is a Jewish Nation. No doubt

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FastFusion nj
11/28/12 8:02 pm

The United States was founded by devout Christians. The Constitution was written by Christians. The war for our independence was fought by Christians. The city of Newark NJ was founded by strict Christians, ie: New Ark. We are a Christian Nation beyond any doubt. Celebrate it!

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FastFusion nj
11/28/12 7:49 pm

Sounds like the National Socialist Party. We know where that led to..

FastFusion nj
11/28/12 7:47 pm

They are separate here. No religious laws are enforced by the state and no religion can give you a speeding ticket.

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yrollam
11/28/12 7:35 pm

State and religion belong separate. Only terrorists disagree.

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Think Lovin Life
11/28/12 7:22 pm

Where are you on the use of public funds to promote and display "art" like the "Piss Christ"?

born2teach
11/28/12 7:21 pm

Why??? That does not teach tolerance!

matquecol Georgia
11/28/12 6:37 pm

All religions should be banned everywhere especially public places

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snuffulufugus Missouri
11/28/12 6:00 pm

Is anyone really offended by this?

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snuffulufugus Missouri
11/28/12 5:58 pm

Change your screen name first commenter

catey Pennsylvania
11/28/12 4:22 pm

Yes but then again, there are more serious violations of that clause (cough cough gay marriage) so I wouldn't worry about it.

palindrome California
11/28/12 4:04 pm

Oh, absolutely. No argument here. But this is an area that has been pretty clearly demarcated by a conservative court. Nativity scenes at city hall, courthouses etc are an unconstitutional violation of the 1st amendment that serves no compelling public purpose.

bryank21
11/28/12 3:44 pm

I can't stand Christians that celebrate Saturnalia an don't acknowledge the original name of their stolen holiday.

saintcl89
11/28/12 3:41 pm

I didn't say I was above them. But every law has grey area. Things are not seen in black and white my friend.

palindrome California
11/28/12 3:27 pm

Policing is fine and dandy but you're not a legal scholar in any sense of the word. Go ahead and arrest away and police-- it's up to the court to decide who goes to jail. THAT'S who interprets the law, not you. And above our local judge is the Federal judge and SCOTUS. Def not you.

saintcl89
11/28/12 2:58 pm

It's all about interpretation of the law. Which is why my department has a legal bureau. A bunch of pencil pushers just sitting around interpreting the law all day. Brew u never did say what u do for a living.

saintcl89
11/28/12 2:51 pm

Oh and within the law we apply discretion.

saintcl89
11/28/12 2:47 pm

Policing is applying the law guy

saintcl89
11/28/12 2:45 pm

Good luck to your husband. It's a great job and gives much satisfaction. I wish nothing but the best for him!

palindrome California
11/28/12 2:35 pm

The point is, the public and our government isn't supposed to support any religion. Nor any religious view. Apply the lemon test and move on. Have a happy holidays, celebrate whatever you want in your house and just MOVE ON.

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palindrome California
11/28/12 2:33 pm

Saint, stick to policing. Because interpretation of the law isn't your thing. You don't seem to really get how our judicial system really works. It's not about your interpretation. It's about the interpretation of the highest court of the law, and what they say goes. It's very clear.