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Should students be retained a grade in school for failing a state standardized test? (UserQ)

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iVoteMe The long and Short
04/07/12 12:28 am

not an expert or educator...but from what I've seen, modern motivational research suggests that a pressure "test" and "grade" reward system undermines intrinsic motivation and a love of learning and working hard for the sake of working hard.

04/07/12 12:26 am

Of course school is easier now. Teachers are terrified of students failing. Wonder why that is?

iVoteMe The long and Short
04/07/12 12:24 am

standardized tests should be used as bench marks only. requiring them only ensures that teachers will be required to be in preeminent "Test Review" mode instead of "Teaching for Life" mode. 'No Child Left Behind' doesn't appear to have really worked the way believed

04/07/12 12:22 am

I wouldn't say hold them back, but put them in summer school.

veritas1 Panda
04/07/12 12:21 am

You have legislators who think they can legislate a better education than teachers can teach it. Give the power back to the schools and teachers.

veritas1 Panda
04/07/12 12:20 am

Ask any student or any teacher if we should have many standardized tests.

I GUARANTEE you the answer will be no. They are a ridiculous waste of class time. You end up with teachers losing curriculum flexibility and "teaching for the test." As a student, we learn nothing from it.

04/07/12 12:14 am

Do away with the standardized testing. The Legislators that put them in place wouldn't be able to pass them so why should the kids. All you need is for them to pass final exams at the end of each semester and that's it.

fairness a coward dies 1000 deaths
04/07/12 12:12 am

Yes but no. Our r timed. Although my son gets them all correct about 10% r completed after time is up. So the standards need to b tweaked. All in all the tests seem pretty basic.

DrKelly Wisconsin
04/07/12 12:12 am

@agree Topsqueen - stop lowering the standards! I teach at MS and PhD level as a side job, and 60%+ of my students would not have passed the grad classes I had 18 years ago!

scottstots Georgia
04/07/12 12:07 am

A better question is should we even have these tests. I don't think there's enough evidence to show that these end of course tests actually provide reliable data, much less to determine if a kid passes on.

runamok NoVa
04/06/12 11:45 pm

I think the child should be allowed to retake the test. And if they fail the second time they should be held back. Obviously, each child is different. Educators should look at each failure individually. If there is one area that the yfailed consistently, maybe only some intensive tutoring can help.

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
04/06/12 11:44 pm

We need to stop lowering standards. People give your kids a bed time so they go to school refreshed and ready to learn. Stop stuffing them with refined carbs. They won't carb crash mid morning.

sohuser California
04/06/12 11:35 pm

Teachers need to stop teaching to standards. So our children might actually enjoy school.

PartyFree Nowhere in Particular
04/06/12 11:28 pm

However, requirements for special education students, such as taking tests or producing portfolios at their functional level, should be allowed. This is not something that is allowed currently under NCLB, or at least not according to the State of Oregon.

PartyFree Nowhere in Particular
04/06/12 11:26 pm

If a mainstream student doesn't pass the standardized test, he or she should be allowed to promote only if proficiency can be shown through another means, such as a portfolio. Some students have test anxiety that truly affects their performance on state tests, but would do well with a portfolio.

04/06/12 11:21 pm

I know a guy who gets As and B+s. He has very bad testing anxiety and got a 19 on his ACT. some people just can't do tests

04/06/12 11:16 pm

retained, no. remedial classes or summer school, yes!

04/06/12 11:07 pm

reducing a students overall education

04/06/12 11:07 pm

standardized test should be done away with altogether...they don't accurately judge anything except how good of a test taker you are and they limit the oursework taught in schools since teachers are pushed to tech only the subject matter covered

mac Oregon
04/06/12 11:07 pm

If this were practiced, we would have 14 year olds in the third grade as the believe would be chronological age is the learning problem, not the identifiable, and hopefully a problem of remediation to help the kid. Retention is for immaturity, not academic struggle.

04/06/12 11:03 pm

Discretion on the teachers and schools part is a good thing. We should get lawmakers to try and stop doing other people's jobs for them. A student could be having a bad day, or some other reason. Leave it to the people who know the student, not the blind eye of the law, to decide what happens.

veritas1 Panda
04/06/12 10:57 pm

It should be left to the school and teachers, the ones who know the students. Why a random 2 hours of work should be weighted more than years of experience is appalling to me.

cbbfle Nashville, TN
04/06/12 10:56 pm

Judge by whole performance, not just one test. If they get a bunch of Fs? Fail grade, hold back. I volunteer with a tutoring program, and I see 13 year olds who can barely read! Don't just shove em on! I personally like homeschooling, or something where you can move forward where you can, or stay.

veritas1 Panda
04/06/12 10:56 pm

No. I do two letter grades worse on stadardized tests than my grade in the actual class.

valeriejo ramble on
04/06/12 10:52 pm

Landoffree & illbilly, so if your kid was held back based on 1 test when you knew him/her to be intelligent & performed well in most other areas of school, you'd be ok with them being forced to redo a whole school year and then have to take classes with a whole new set of classmates he doesn't know?

valeriejo ramble on
04/06/12 10:46 pm

Nooo way - They should be judged on their over all performance on schoolwork and exams throughout the semester not on one single test

illbilly Texas
04/06/12 10:39 pm

it would put pressure on kids to not just float through school and actually learn something.

04/06/12 10:33 pm

Lots of people are not test takers. Therefore they should not be judge only on test scores.