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Should students be retained a grade in school for failing a state standardized test? (UserQ)

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Classified
04/07/12 9:31 pm

While I don't have a better fix, I really hate standardized testing. One smart kid with test anxiety and all of a sudden they're academically worthless to the system.


04/07/12 8:56 pm

Standardized testing is a terrible thing but you "should" be able to pass them since teachers typically teach to the test. If you pass the grade without passing the test then why even have the tests? Actually, get rid of the tests please.

kaik12 Twin Cities, MN
04/07/12 8:40 pm

State standardized test set a STANDARD that all students in the STATE are supposed to pass. Letting anyone pass without first passing the test defeats the purpose of the test itself.

sydwel
04/07/12 8:12 pm

Also, standardized testing focuses on odd topics. I failed a math one in elementary school because I was so advanced in math I didn't learn the memory tricksand short cuts tested. It also hurts or education system because then education is centered around these poor state standards.

sydwel
04/07/12 8:10 pm

Standardized testing is a nightmare and penalizes children qualified as "gifted".

Nikolaus
04/07/12 7:56 pm

I voted "No" but I agree with "gramps"

TheHidenTruth
04/07/12 7:38 pm

The test is easy, if they fail, there pretty dumb!

gramps
04/07/12 7:19 pm

also, some students are good with the subject material, but are not good test takers.

gramps
04/07/12 7:18 pm

my wife is a teacher who is against standardized testing. teachers should be able to teach the subject material, not how to pass the test.

KudosToYou California
04/07/12 6:46 pm

Having state standardized tests just means teachers will teach the students how to pass the test.


04/07/12 6:35 pm

Standardized tests do not always reflect on a students academic ability

TheAntiLib Putnam County, NY
04/07/12 6:34 pm

Teachers should be fired after failing a Federal standardized test. Bad teachers that cannot get fired are a large part of the problem.

veritas1 Panda
04/07/12 6:26 pm

@land. Funny how you can't name a single area that has improved significantly under NCLB.


And if it is such a resounding success, why did 48% of schools fail to meet NCLB's lowest goals last year?


04/07/12 5:48 pm

Thanks True I tried it too and also got nothin.

truenuff
04/07/12 5:48 pm

@veritas I tried your link and the site says the article isn't found. I did however find even more info on the validity of NCLB.

truenuff
04/07/12 5:35 pm

veritas are you just a student?

truenuff
04/07/12 5:34 pm

I also have found a lot of info online showing how much the test scores have improved. students are also better prepared for their future.

veritas1 Panda
04/07/12 5:26 pm

@landoffree
www.wrightslaw.com/nclb/stats.html

30 years ago, we scored 300 in math. Today it is 308. Look at that!
In 2002 it is roughly 306-307. Now it's 308. This is what they are calling "improvement.". The improvement isn't even within the margin of error.

nevermore Minnesota
04/07/12 5:21 pm

The reason test scores are so high is because the tests have gotten do incredibly lax. The valedictorian at or high school had no idea what the capital of Iran was or who wrote the star spangled banner.


04/07/12 5:20 pm

@veritas
How old are you?


04/07/12 5:17 pm

America's nine-year-olds posted the best scores in reading (since 1971) and math (since 1973) in the history of the report. America's 13-year-olds earned the highest math scores the test ever recorded.


04/07/12 5:17 pm

More progress was made by nine-year-olds in reading in the last five years than in the previous 28 years combined.


04/07/12 5:16 pm

@Veritas
Improved test scores

The Department of Education points to the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) results, released in July 2005, showing improved student achievement in reading and math:[16]

veritas1 Panda
04/07/12 5:07 pm

And the standardized tests I take are pretty hard.

veritas1 Panda
04/07/12 5:06 pm

@landoffree. Unfortunately, yes. Nowhere is a single factual statistic that shows significant imprint cited. Nowhere.

In fact, Math, Science, and Reading scores are at the same level they were in 1973.


04/07/12 5:00 pm

The best "objective" measure of a students ability is a performance rubric. It measures criteria like participation, real world knowledge application, ability to work with others, creativity, attendance, leadership, effective communication, materials management, etc. plus tools to improve where need

DeathSheep Michigan
04/07/12 4:45 pm

If you cant pass one of the easiest tests you will ever take, you deserve to be held back lol


04/07/12 4:43 pm

If You don't burn your hand when touching the stove, what keeps you from touching the stove?


04/07/12 4:19 pm

Lower standardized test are a big no no. The tests are as easy enough as it is. Provably make it hard on the poorer schools because there are more smart kids there that just doesn't know their smart whereas the rich school, think they are the most intelligent beings of their age.


04/07/12 4:17 pm

I think it was something that i learned in philosophy class that failure to pass any test determines the faith of that student's future academia.

onthenine Da Burg
04/07/12 4:16 pm

Apparently, a lot of you do not have a child with learning disabilities. You have no idea how things like times tests or even tests in general can crush a child.


04/07/12 3:38 pm

@veritas
Did you read the article I referenced or not.

CaptJim
04/07/12 3:31 pm

As long as the student lives in a vacuum you're right. You are assuming that every student taking the test approach it in the same state of mind with little or no external stress. So an otherwise good student with say a cold or just a poor nights sleep is hanging the entire year on one test?!

redheeler Texas
04/07/12 3:28 pm

If you can't pass a state standardized test.........god help your soul!

whatnow
04/07/12 3:27 pm

let's have no standards and keep sinking lower and lower. Cool!

PMG
04/07/12 3:07 pm

Everyone has the same test taking ability. People who are "bad test takers" are liars. That's like saying I'm smart until I have to prove it to the world. That's like saying I'm a good painter, but whenever my brush touché the canvas, I get Parkinson's!

lou1 Washington
04/07/12 2:35 pm

Passing a grade is more than performance on a standardized test. Let teachers use their sense, experience, and good judgement to determine if a child is meeting grade level expectations or not.


04/07/12 2:26 pm

Standardized tests do not tell you what students know. They just tell you that a kids can take a test. Plus teachers they force teachers to teach to the test.

Brickwall Minnesota
04/07/12 2:26 pm

I take these tests, I had no idea any one could fail a test that easy...

Roughashlr
04/07/12 2:18 pm

Education should not get in the way of learning..... Chew on THAT one!

Perot4Prez
04/07/12 1:54 pm

Hold enough students back and you will finally have a way to tell which teachers can teach, since all of the kids that fail can't be stooopid... or can they?

chaoticlfe
04/07/12 1:41 pm

If you fail a standardize test you should be held back. Standardize test are made for the worst educated students and graded on a bell curve. It's made for everyone to pass.

veritas1 Panda
04/07/12 1:32 pm

@landoffree. You are simply wrong. Standardized tests don't accurately judge how prepared a student is at a subject.

getlost New Mexico
04/07/12 1:28 pm

Oh for the record, I have taught school for a few years in this life!

getlost New Mexico
04/07/12 1:23 pm

You can not fire teachers that don't teach! You can not make kids learn and you sure can't make the parents of the kids care if they themselves haven't learned!

Zod Above Pugetropolis
04/07/12 1:21 pm

I'd expect an average HS student to be able to pass the GED, for example, long before they're ready to graduate. Is the failure rate of these tests higher than what the other factors predict?