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Show Of Hands December 25th, 2012 12:00am

Should it be illegal to make a gun with a 3-D printer? (3-D printers are devices that can "print" physical shapes/objects from digital plans. Functioning guns will be technically possible before long).

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tjm120 TARDIS
12/25/12 9:25 pm

Was that really your first thought? Mine would have been more along the lines of - wow! Just like on the Jetsons! We humans are actually quite amazing in what we are able to accomplish.

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shovelhead someplace with coffee
12/25/12 9:24 pm

The commit was that the government was taking away a right by not letting us make our own guns. I was being dramatic about what people think are rights and what should be legal or not.

JaquesV Bentonville, AR
12/25/12 9:23 pm

You must be thinking ABS extrusion processes. There are other methods that can create very durable plastic components.

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JaquesV Bentonville, AR
12/25/12 9:21 pm

thingaverse.com had gun components up until the CT shooting. Not hard to come by and not illegal. They took them down due to their own ethical concerns. There are already replacement repositories for the files.

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JaquesV Bentonville, AR
12/25/12 9:19 pm

You watch too much CSI.

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JaquesV Bentonville, AR
12/25/12 9:16 pm

It would be cheaper just to buy parts and tools from Lowes and make it old-school. Folks do that now... they even make their own ammo.

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kellyw The Mississippi Delta
12/25/12 8:59 pm

That is the most pointless law ever. The kind of geeky people who use 3D printers don't kill people, usually. And it's completely unenforceable. I can see it being illegal to publish gun plans, but there's no way to ban them entirely without banning 3D printers.

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hichamELboss Boston
12/25/12 8:56 pm

They shouldn't be legal. Although that wouldn't stop me from printing some if I ever got my hands on one of those printers.

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hichamELboss Boston
12/25/12 8:55 pm

Well, only clearly fake guns should be able to be made (with orange tips). However, that kind of defeats the purpose.
Still, they cam be easily misconstrued as real weapons.

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JennaF sunflower state of mind
12/25/12 8:40 pm

Yeah, because we don't have easy enough access to guns. (sarcasm, btw)

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wetheslaves Live each moment fully
12/25/12 8:40 pm

So can we sue them if we make a gun from their plans and it explodes? Can they try to blame our printer manufacturer for defective ink?

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USA1st
12/25/12 8:36 pm

that sounds like an awesome gun!

jmofwiw
12/25/12 8:35 pm

It should be illegal to shoot people.

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MrLove lovers, dreamers and me
12/25/12 8:33 pm

They didn't want the plans to be free and available online. I don't remember all of the details, but they're online.

praetorianus65
12/25/12 8:26 pm

That's why we wait until the product fulfills the QC requirements.
It has to be tested and approved similar to products that the FDA approves.

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wetheslaves Live each moment fully
12/25/12 8:22 pm

We don't want people hurting themselves with inferior products that explode in their hands when they use them.

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wetheslaves Live each moment fully
12/25/12 8:17 pm

If you have cad, revit or any of the other design packages you can simply draw your own plans without the need for Internet provided plans. We can do this today with the existing milling and engineering tools. This is not a new threat. Simply require a weapons manufacturing license generally.

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Fiddler Oregon
12/25/12 8:16 pm

If in order to do so you must aquire the proper permits and jump through the hoops to buy a gun then make it legal. But if you just go on google images and print then no

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praetorianus65
12/25/12 8:15 pm

We're very close - since metal is a material that the replicator can use, as soon as the resolution gets a bit better than the current standard 0.1mm you can produce a disassembled gun part for part that you can easily assemble if you know the first thing about guns.

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wetheslaves Live each moment fully
12/25/12 8:08 pm

We always get afraid of new technology thinking it will end the world. It will not replace everything. It is just a valuable tool that helps improve the way we do business. It is a great tool. We will still need manufacturing. It has limitations. We need rapid prototyping and modeling.

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praetorianus65
12/25/12 8:06 pm

Flashlights and battery powered motors are already possible and the precision is 0.1mm or less. Metal is used.

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wetheslaves Live each moment fully
12/25/12 8:03 pm

We always want to ban things that threaten our profits. We want control of the cash flow. These are useful machines but can't print a ready made working gun. At best we have to assemble the pieces. Not all components meet functional standards today. What about springs and other materials?

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potatoes
12/25/12 7:57 pm

And when I say "most" I mean "most people."

potatoes
12/25/12 7:57 pm

Exactly. Bithi g wrong with that. Why don't most realize this?

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wetheslaves Live each moment fully
12/25/12 7:54 pm

Send your trade secrets to the central spy network each time you print.

wetheslaves Live each moment fully
12/25/12 7:23 pm

Printing the basic barrel is only the first step. They can't produce a working mechanical gun. They still have to build the firing mechanism by hand and add it.

wetheslaves Live each moment fully
12/25/12 7:19 pm

They just built a basic barrel, retrofitted an electric solenoid to fire the cap. It is not a gun as we know it. It is like taking a steel tube and putting an electronic firing pin on the end, just made of plastic instead. It breaks after use.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
12/25/12 6:42 pm

You can buy a kit from Cabelas to make a hand-cranked two-barrel machine gun, and plans online for a ten-barrel Gatling gun scaled to 22LR. Perfectly legal to buy, build, own, and shoot. As long as you don't put a motor on it (overwhelmingly tempting, just once), nobody cares. No problems so far.

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dpoirr11 Addis, LA
12/25/12 6:40 pm

Very true. I just wonder if it could even hold up to the first shot. It may be possible. It's an experiment I'd like to see.

liberalD Massachusetts
12/25/12 6:35 pm

I dont see why it shouldent be legal... Its an easier way to craft guns. Bithi g wrong with that

ncbuc Get Over It
12/25/12 6:29 pm

Was supposed to be a reply to dpoirr11.

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ncbuc Get Over It
12/25/12 6:25 pm

I disagree. Yes, plastic would not be an ideal choice of material for any long term use. But for a one time, untraceable, and easily disposable purpose. It's perfect. And let's be real....if that's the criteria of what you need. It's probably not for "legit" purposes.

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ncbuc Get Over It
12/25/12 6:18 pm

Anyone with access to a machine shop and, as i stated, basic mechanical skill, can make a gun. And plenty have...

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MrLove lovers, dreamers and me
12/25/12 6:16 pm

This was actually in production. A group online was very close to publishing a tested design, but was shut down by the Feds recently.

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ncbuc Get Over It
12/25/12 6:15 pm

I said yes only because it could be easily used in a terroristic way. However I am against any further gun control. But in all reality. Anyone with basic mechanical aptitude can make a functional firearm with some readily available resources if they wanted to. And in that respect.....doesn't matter.

MrLove lovers, dreamers and me
12/25/12 6:14 pm

Wouldn't this be classified as an IED? Improvised explosive device.

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AnnieM The Island
12/25/12 6:06 pm

My first thought as I watched it build up little models was "How long before this technology is used to make working weapons and how would you keep it out of the public's hands?"

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AnnieM The Island
12/25/12 6:05 pm

I've been wanting to submit a question along these lines, but couldn't think of how to word it. I first saw a 3D printing machine in action in 2005.

moesif
12/25/12 5:46 pm

Although 3D printing with metal is currently used in addition to plastics the available structural integrity for ballistics isn't quite there. However, that being said, the disposable gun is not far off and Philip K. Dick 'esque futuristic assassinations will be coming soon.

Vincere Seattle
12/25/12 5:33 pm

Yeah, and let's hope it stays that way. I wouldn't want to live in a world where any manic could print his own weapon of choice.

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dpoirr11 Addis, LA
12/25/12 5:24 pm

injection molding would have to be used. 3D printing a gun would be more dangerous for the shooter than the target.

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dpoirr11 Addis, LA
12/25/12 5:24 pm

Plastic couldn't be a legitimate material to make a functioning gun out of. This is very high pressures and temperatures involved in propelling a bullet to that speed. On top of that, 3D printing is a very weak manufacturing method. To get any strength out of the plastic,

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praetorianus65
12/25/12 5:23 pm

I doubt it would be more than a pellet gun - a plastic barrel would disintegrate firing something "real".

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praetorianus65
12/25/12 5:21 pm

Don't color Xeroxes also have a function not to copy money without sending anything to the government?

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praetorianus65
12/25/12 5:19 pm

Actually I think you can't just program it but buy a blueprint - same rules for that as for buying a gun.

SGTHOOAH
12/25/12 5:14 pm

????????

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oceania New Jersey
12/25/12 5:03 pm

Please tell me how you police this law.

Do you implant chips into each 3D printer so the government knows what you are printing and when?

Before you write a law, figure out if you can actually enforce it.

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SGTHOOAH
12/25/12 5:00 pm

So the question should be about selling?