Do you think voter fraud is a serious problem in the United States?
I really don't like how everything is electronically done at the voting booth. At the very least, you should get a receipt saying what the computer read as your vote. As for traditional voting fraud, an ID isn't too much.
Depends on the machine, last machine I used gave me a receipt.
Cool! We need that in Georgia.
Make the ID free and maybe I'll consider your ludicrous idea.
SF, They are free in Alabama.
In Alabama because we can't show a hint of racism here anymore... It's Alabama.
Though in states like Washington it's a minimum of 50, yes I said 50 USD for a voting ID.
Forget what I said earlier. Even if they're free, I won't approve of them. If we allow voter IDs, soon literacy tests and poll taxes will come back.
Well to be fair, literacy tests will weed out about 98% of conservatives, so that would be unfair to them. We should just not do any of it. DNA test people. If people want to go stand in that long ass line again to vote, let the, get 2.
Exactly. George W Bush would be the first one to fail the literacy test.
"Hi my name is George Dubya!"
"Sir get the fück out of here. We can already tell you can't pass it."
Not only that we may have Alabama and other southern states without a single damn vote.
Imagine that conversation: "Sorry Mr. Bush, but you have a history of making up words and giving grammatically incorrect speeches, so you no longer have the right to vote despite being a citizen of the US."
Lol SF establishing who you are so that they can correctly out the a checkmark next to the name in the list of voters isn't exactly creating a poll test. Surely some common sense can be applied here.
Shakespeare had a history of making up words and grammatical errors... just say'in.
pretty exhaustive history.
Shakespeare wasn't an American.
Yes and no. Yes in the sense that voter fraud it self is a serious problem that we do have. Voting is our most important and valuable right and we shouldn't let it be tarnished by fraud. But the fraud isn't swinging elections.
Though it isn't a serious problem, we should do what we can to ensure it doesn't happen. Requiring voter ID is fine if given reasonable time to procure the ID with as few hurdles as possible. Voters should be held to a slight bit of responsibility.
Nobody has to "think" it. We have data. We know it isn't.
Fox News has their own "data."
I love when they say "A Fox News poll you may have voted on at foxnews.com has shown a majority of Americans....."
Imagine Obama's approval on a Fox News poll: 1% because a half blind elderly woman thought she clicked "Disapprove" when voting.
Yes and one that can't be properly quantified because most places don't even ask for a voter id to begin with. It could be statistically quantified using a few voting sites as "control sites" where the true id of each voter is verified before
Or after a vote is cast, but that'll never happen. Democrats don't want this problem to be properly quantified or even solved. They're the primary beneficiaries of dead and illegal voters.
Playing dumb is always a useful debate tactic for liberals. Of course, they have to throw the race card in as a side dish.
Love how liberals state how there have only been minimal cases. They leave out a very crucial word though. Minimal cases 'caught'.
Of course there won't be a lot of cases caught of something that is ridiculously easy to do.
I am willing to make a documentary about me voting twice.
Even if it means I will go to jail.
Just to show how messed up our system is. To make a change. Sometimes sacrifices are necessary to make change.
The number of fraudulent votes is only limited by your imagination!
Ever heard of the saying, "you can do it as log as you don't get caught"?
You're going to come back on SoH in a year with tattoos and talking about your time in the slammer.
If I had that attitude, you would be correct.
lol red. Good point. By the same token, just because we haven't caught very many gun owners who use their guns to threaten and manipulate people doesn't mean it isn't a problem. We better start restricting gun rights just in case.
Clueless Californians. The end results prove the fraud. Nobody can be so stupid, as to continue to vote for Liberal failure after
Liberal failure. Not a single policy has ever been a success, yet somehow Libs keep winning? Obvious fraud.
Are you sure you want to stick with that argument? Do really want to say every liberal policy is a failure?
Historically, not a single Liberal policy has proven effective, to support Liberty, or support the cause designated by said policy.
Just ask intelligent black people, smart women and the educated poor—Liberals are always in there way.
Bethany, the difference between the gun rights and voting rights is that no one is trying to ban voting. People are trying to ban guns.
The most famous liberal policy known as the 1st amendment has been very effective.
In fact, conservatives love the liberal idea of free speech so much they think it should apply to inanimate objects like money.
"It's the law of the land." Weren't you the one making that argument about the Obamacare ruling all the blessing time?
Liberals can't even get historical facts correct, while hijacking principles of Liberty. Madison's mind was nowhere near the idiocy of Liberalism.
Me? No. I've told you before I'm not in favor of this market driven nonsense known as obamacare. No one should be forced to buy insurance. We need a universal healthcare system.
Classic ambiguity sidled with confusion. It usually sets in, as the Liberal rewrites his own history, sans accountability and lying about previous positions and support for now proven inept policy.
Liberalism: the true fraud in today's society.
I'm not "lying about previous positions" because there is no previous position. I've always said we need a single payer system.
TheCourt must really not know what the left and right wing is. *Facepalm*
Poli, good thing I didn't say "ban," then. We're just restricting, like with voting rights. Just making it harder and less convenient. But what's inconvenience in the face of preventing awful things we can't prove aren't happening?
You actually want it to be hard to own a firearm?
America was founded on principles of Liberty, while the modern Liberal agenda is designed to discriminate against blacks, women & religion.
Your single payer system has failure and oppression written all over it, much like its weaker predecessors.
No more than you actually want it to be hard to vote.
See the point I'm making?
Getting an ID is not difficult. That's another myth created by Leftist propaganda, to keep Liberals from using logic.
No one wants it to be hard to vote.
Republicans absolutely want it to be hard to perceived Democrats to vote. Here's a Reagan-appointed conservative judge and former voter ID supporter explaining how it's about voter suppression
Why can't Liberals follow the simple chain of logic, rather than perpetuating false premises?
The only way you win the voter fraud argument is by admitting the stupidity of voting for Liberals.
Sure, poli! Then no one wants it to be hard to get a gun either.
What was it 31 confirmed cases out of 300 million? Yeah that's a .00000013%
Oh no close all the booths!
You are thinking of a presidential election. How about for a Major of a city? Or a piece of legislation? One single vote can change the outcome.
cases caught. Not cases.
You can't catch something that is virtually impossible to stop the way most laws are now.
BTW, there is no way in hell that we had 31 cases of voter fraud.
31 people denied their civil rights. Where's the protesters!? Where's Eric Holder!?
Voting fraud isn't a civil right.
That 31 number has to be misrepresented. Just take a listen at what's happening in Florida.
The local news channel found 100s of illegals registered to vote.
I didn't look into it but if that's true then that's pretty bad. The good news for you is it probably won't be democrat after Hillary/Obama kind of just shoved them all right back over the border when all those kids came in.
You're right, Sox, we can't defend the threat we don't have.
Election fraud? Yes. Especially in 2000. Voter fraud? No.
No. There is absolutely zero evidence that voter fraud is a serious problem. ZERO.
Are you kidding me? How about that guy that openly says he voted for Obama at least three times. He just went to different voting booths. I say when you vote you get like a red mark on your hand that can't be washed off for like 2-3 days
Who? And have his claims of voting three times been verified, or are you just trusting the word of someone who says he's dishonest enough to attempt voter fraud?
Not to mention, if a single person doing something makes for a serious problem, then what problem *isn't* serious?
There is no way to verify it because they don't do checks! THATS THE PROBLEM! If someone from another county comes and tries to vote should we count it because we just don't check them? NO! They don't have the right to vote! And yes it happened
It was on a few news channels and articles. It was back when Obama first got elected. So you think anyone should be Abe to say who the president is?! Really
No. It's a tactic used by the media. Mostly a certain party only uses it, I don't think it's too much of an issue as that party wasn't too upset about voter fraud in 2000. It would have been much easier in 2000 if someone took the time to
Walk in and out of a voting booth to get their candidate 10 votes.
With 31 credible cases in a billion votes cast, I don't think that it s a fucking problem at all.
If Obummer had 31 less votes, Romney wooda wun!
You people are so clueless it's impossible to bring you to reality
1. Voter fraud accounts for a fraction of a fraction of a percent of votes.
2. Even if voter fraud was widespread, it wouldn't make a difference. Both parties are the same.
One is too many.
No, but voter suppression is.
Tell me genius, how, exactly is this voter suppression?
Closing polling locations, shortening early voting hours, and increased difficulty of registering voters, not to mention voter ID laws, are all attempts at voter suppression.
Maybe they're talking about black thugs intimidating white voters outside a polling place in Philadelphia.
^ this "y'all qaeda" member is part of the problem.
Voter suppression is a myth!