Do you think voter fraud is a serious problem in the United States?
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Reminds me of an H. Spencer quote - "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
Oops, meant for a comment below.
You need a voter ID card in Mexico. We're not that advanced.
Who are these people that live in the shadows and are unable to obtain an ID? They can't work, get welfare or a beer without one. And why are they only democrats? Do you really think that they are current on issues and candidates?
"Racist republicans...?" Racist is thinking minorities are too stupid to obtain an ID and register when the law says to. That takes minimal planning. Of course the law is racist if it's not convenient for liberals. Who's the racist again?
Either way, ID cards would settle the entire argument...
Considering how few people even bother to vote, I doubt an unregistered voter would bother to take the time either. Our greatest right is to vote and too many people don't even care.
I've seen a lot of videos showing how easily electronic voting machines and tabulators can be hacked to change votes. Why no concerns there anymore? What happened to paper trails? A guy voting for his grandpa is nothing compared to that!
Soo when republicans argue about gun laws they say things like: it will only hurt law abiding citizens, just adds more paper work, it's our right, a criminal will find a way to do obtain it anyway. Well just replace "gun laws" with "voter ID laws".
My mind is also blown that someone could seriously make such an inane comparison.
@lumberjack - I thought it was an interesting comparison. You may disagree but, why would you say that it's an inane comparison?
I believe he's just being partisan. I don't really see how you can dispute the comparison?
250 characters is not enough to even begin to explain the differences. They should be obvious to anyone who isn't a full-blown ideologue of one stripe or the other.
I guess I'll try anyway: if you set aside ideology the facts are that more guns = less crime, meanwhile voter fraud is literally stealing influence from other citizens.
My guess is that the same people who support limiting the influence of the wealthy on politics are the ones who mysteriously see no problem with voter fraud. Explain that hypocrisy.
And just in case you missed my point about guns, gun ownership is not an infringement of another persons rights. Voter fraud is.
I've got four more hours at this car dealership, so I can do this all day. :)
You act like that is a proven fact in every case that more guns = less crime. You can show me 100 studies that say that and I can show you a 100 studies that state opposite.
But here is an actual fact. More people are killed by guns that commit voter fraud.
Moon, have you heard of the False Analogy logical fallacy? You just gave a good example.
More people are killed by cars than commit voter fraud. Are you suggesting we need to enact car control laws?
Cars are highly regulated already. Change from steel to aluminum, insurance, speed limits, seat belts, eye seeing and hearing tests.
I guess it'll never be enough until the number of instances of voter fraud exceed the number of car deaths. (Apparently you're missing the point.)
I already need a picture ID to purchase a gun. And a background check. I need neither of those things to vote. Both are Constitutional rights. Are you suggesting that we eliminate the requirement for ID and background check from gun purchases?
Does that "blow your mind" rota?
Well I'm Anti-Gun Control so that won't work on me.
It does blow something else though....
A kiss to my views.
This is what I mean when I say ideology aside. Opposition or support to a certain type of government control does not mean I oppose/support all government controls.
Really? You dems think it's totally okay that I can just go to your district and say I'm you and vote for you?
That is what's happening and you know that, however if you wanted to go stand in line and vote for me; I'd love you to.
It can happen and it does happen, and we're supposed to wait for it to reach critical mass before we do anything about it?
Serious? No. But it is a problem I think.
In a democratic republic, even one count of voter fraud is a treasonous act.
Its a problem that could be easily solved but not a major problem like Ebola, ISIS, or Putin.
Problem, yes. Serious problem, no. Or at least not yet, as voter fraud has never seriously influenced an election in our history.
That we know of...
During all the voting periods between 2002-2007, whereas a total of 300 million votes were cast, only 86 were found to be fraudulent. Even if voter frad were a thousand times worse than it currently is, it still wouldn't have affected an election.
I realize this stat may be a little dated, and other conservatives would not be reluctantly to point out the influx of illegal immigration, but it is not a serious threat to our democratic system, except fundamentally.
There were over 400 reported cases of voter fraud in N Va alone after the 2012 election. The local commonwealth attorney refuses to investigate. So please don't pretend that absence of proof is proof of absence.
How does one define"serious"?Is it occurring? Yes! Is it documented?Yes, among the living& the dead.It apparently depends upon whether one is accepting of breaking the law to take advantage,& whether it benefits that individuals party.Are you honest?
Blatant ballot box stuffing. But nothing will be done and people will continue to claim voter fraud doesn't exist, and that requiring voter ID is racist.
More like election fraud
Is it a problem, Yes, but a "serious" problem, I don't think so.
Even if a few people do it, it won't affect the results. Anyways, the electoral college votes for the president, not you.
I liked the cigarettes for votes better.
Me too, they're expensive.
I don't think we should let people with mental problems vote, but that would ruin the democrats base so it would never pass.
No... The dead, and illegals, are people too!
Cowboy, I do have to give you a point for humor.
I have to laugh. Otherwise these crazy Liberals would drive me out of my gourd!
I think you meant tin foil hat.
Given that all politicians are equally corrupt, it doesn't matter who gets elected. Given this, it doesn't matter how they're elected. If in 2016 someone gets more votes than there are people in the entire country, I still would barely bat an eye.
All politicians are corrupt? I'd say that problem is more rampant on the left mainly because thy have a media to cover for them. Republicans are called on everything.
Left leaning people think its more common on the right, and right leaning people think its more common on the left. They're all bad. That's just how politics works now.
There have been 30 credible cases in 20 years. It's a non-issue.
"...voter fraud a serious problem"? Like in Uganda? Iran? Venezuela? Perhaps North Korea, where Kim Jong Un wins 100% of the vote?...
Umm, "No", voter fraud is not a "serious" problem in the U.S.
STILL, I don't see the problem with having/showing ID.
Nope... Liberals don't see a problem getting dead people to vote.
In fact they let them vote two or even three times.
That's not even possible. Turn off Fox News.
Fraud is an issue, but the largest-scale fraud in America is when Republicans are suppressing poor people's votes. Voter suppression is the greatest fraud.
Lol... Suppressing? I love how you idiots think making sure the people that are voting are doing it legally is suppressing. The pres received 1500 more votes than there are people in my county, if you don't see where that's a problem...
You can keep saying Republicans want to oppress the poor, but it's still not true no matter how many times you scream it.
I don't want to suppress poor people, I want to see them better themselves.
You are delusional. Republican suppressing poor peoples votes? Who told you this MSNBC?!?!
" The pres received 1500 more votes than there are people in my county,"
Turn off Fox News please. Republicans are out dumbing themselves.
Any fraud regardless of size, is a serious problem.
Deaf people rise just to vote for obama. THATS A BIT OF A PROBLEM!
What's wrong with deaf people voting? They're people too. I used to work at a school for the deaf, and just because they can't hear, does not mean you have to suppress their vote. Or is it because they vote for Obama? Either way, that's intolerant.
Lol, I'm thinking he meant "dead".
Why do you figure he meant dead? Would you really put it past a republican to discriminate against another group?
Rotavele, you can't be serious. The whole discrimination claim for everything is getting old. Republicans are not racist because they want elections to be fair. They are not racist for disagreeing with what obama does, even if he is black.
No one is saying that. To quote bill maher: "It would be silly to say all republicans are racist. However if you meet a racist, there's a huge chance he's a republican"
Bill maher is an idiot. I have news for you: jesse Jackson, al Sharpton, Eric holder are all racists. Racism doesn't just apply to white people.
No one said it did. Al and Jesse are likely very racist though and I've never liked either of them. I'm more of a Green Party member when it comes to racial issues.
Why are republicans the only ones being called racist, though. Clearly, republicans arent the only ones. I'm not even republican, I just hate the double standard
Ok this always confuses me so I'll go ahead and ask. Why do you and people like cowboy not identify as a republican but almost every view you have is usually the same as republicans?
I support gay marriage, the legalization of marijuana, and I think we need a plan for immigration reform. I happen to agree with republicans on some things (mostly fiscal) but not in others.
One is too many and it's a serious offense. Do I think it affected any national elections, no.
It should be a capital offense.
When it accounts for 3.5% of the vote, yes.
since it doesn't, does that make your answer a no?
That's the portion of votes in North Carolina that were cast by dead people or people that voted twice in 2012.
You'd think that the polling places would notice a zombie coming in to vote.
Yeah, you would. Something tells me it's probably someone just using their name, though. Hmm...
There are a lot of butt hurt conservatives here. Let's predict the future... If repub's gain control of the Senate, the election was fair and square. If the dem's maintain control it was because of fraud.
In before "LIBRUL lierrr!!!!"
I love how democrats are so defensive. They can't even admit that there is even the possibility of voter fraud. How closed minded are you people?
That's because we look at statistics.
So there is no voter fraud because people haven't been caught doing it? How many murders go unsolved? Did they not really occur because the person who did it wasn't caught?
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the silly part is how the allegations of voter fraud are aimed at democrats, as if a few more dollars on their welfare check would inspire so many people to do that. No, the right has the the real incentive to cheat here, by reducing regulations.
Income taxes, corporate tax, and anything that reduces the oil industry.
Only 31 cases of credible incidents of voter fraud so far! www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/
Racist Republicans should be arrested for voter suppression.
I like how the guy below is saying that's the only ones caught. In fact it's the only credible ones accused. :/
Yeah, lol. Such a lame excuse.
Remind me how ensuring a fair election is racist, please.
Keep in mind, I don't support voter ID laws. I'm merely curious as to what makes them racist.
It's actually extremely sad how much liberals are willing to ignore just to keep their fantasy world alive.
I love it when you idiots use the word "racist" incorrectly, not only does it expose your stupidity, but it kills the validity of any argument your making.
^Racist literally has NO meaning anymore because of liberals. Congrats, your favorite word is ineffective.
Just because you believe something doesn't make it so.
One corrupt vote is enough to be a problem.
so we should spend millions to prevent one corrupt vote?
That's funny. I would say the same about capital punishment. Abortion. S gay marriage. But that does not seem to matter to gop. But yes. Let's make laws and spend millions of dollars in something that has never even remotely decided an election.
Spend millions of dollars on IDs that we already have issued? Let's use common sense.
@muppethero When you consider the men and women who died for your right to vote, you begin to value your single vote.
Is one minority citizen being turned away at the polls enough to be a serious problem? I would emphatically say "yes."
Since when do liberals care about how much of other people's money they can spend?
The debt clock: "the higher the number, the better, right?" -lib logic
I think you miss understand my side. I am very very anti voters laws.
Sideshow Bob doesn't.
Personally I don't see what's wrong with the good old fashioned paper ballots like they still use in the UK. There was a fraud attempt in the Scottish referendum and all 12 ballots were found and removed, with no voter ID required.
How do you think Liberals win elections? Americans can't be dumb enough to truly support such an incompetent ideology and the pols who manipulate its lies and propaganda.
If you applied critical thinking skills to the issue, you'd realize—we either have Voter Fraud, or an extremely large number of idiots voting for Liberals.
It can't be both.
I was going to cite evidence from multiple sources about how there is very little voter fraud and the fact that way too many people who vote conservative do not know anything about the candidates they support but you wouldn't believe me anyway.
Your multiple sources of citation would be a fraud, in and of themselves, as they were manipulated to perpetuate the original fraud of Liberalism.
The fact Liberals get votes, means somebody is cheating, or America is getting dumber.
Thank you for proving my point that you would not believe it and for the insult. Because you believe something is manipulated, does not mean it is true. Keep that in mind for the future. Have a good day.
The purpose of manipulation is to hide its invalid and false nature. You must really be confused, possibly indoctrinated at a young age to believe the lies of Liberalism.
Good luck and good day to you.
American ideology is changing. That's how liberals get elected.
And too many people in general don't know the people they are voting for, both republicans and democrats. People vote down party lines and don't care what the candidates actually stand
yes, especially in Florida.
Yeah, during the 2000 election.
Brandon, so your link of only 31 credible cases is bullshit because now you're saying FL 2000? You can't keep your stories straight son.
Oh of course not, all those precincts in Ohio and Pennsylvania and others that voted 99 or 100% for Obama in 2012 is statistically normal...yeah sure (sarcasm).
..and those 70,000 North Carolina voters who also cast ballots in a second state. Or, those 1,099 Minnesota felons who somehow managed to cast fraudulent ballots in 2008, giving Al Franken a 312 vote win after being behind prior to a recount...
Cite your sources.
Look it up...ever heard of Google? But, don't expect to find it in the left wing mainstream media. Believe it or not, things do happen that are not reported by Obama's lapdog media poodles.
Thanks for the tip. I'll go right to FOX "News".
Yes. Democratic voter fraud.
NO SUCH THING! Voter fraud is rare. www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth
Voter suppression! Another tactic by republikkkans.
Please visit TheBlaze.com and watch last Wednesday's "For the Record" investigative report on voter fraud. It's more widespread than you realize. If they require you to subscribe to watch it, you can cancel the next day easily.
No thank you, I prefer WeHateObummer.gov as my news source for conservative sources.
"I'm gonna ignore a logical point someone made and instead attack them! THIS will get me far in life!"- Rot
it has the potential to be given the fact we cater to lawbreakers and illegal aliens currently.
A problem, yes. A serious problem, no. But it seems fair enough to require a valid ID to vote.
I don't fear death - it happens to everybody. I do fear that once I'm dead and buried that I will become a registered Democrat.
LOL, the Democrats' version of life after death...
That is most likely due to republicans who can't figure out how computers work or are scared to learn it because jesus would punish them for reading science textbooks.
Also, I voted for Obama 7 times in the last election.
If even 1 person is voting illegally, it is a problem. Democrats will never accept that or understand it. "As long as they are voting for my guy, who cares!"
No it's just that we're more on the side of, if one person is disenfranchised, even if through the economic cost of an ID, that is too many. There really is no benefit of vilifying either side.
Every reference or study I have been able to find says no, including the one from my state's very close gubernatorial election that may have been one of the closest watched and reviewed elections in US history. So I'll go with the obvious no.
It's a myth....
Uh huh....How about watching this video.
One source isn't good enough, is it?
The guy is registered to bring in absentee ballots. Your evidence is simply false.
I'm not so sure that really stands up as "evidence"
I will play along without even reading your link. Can you disprove the second link? If so, I will consider your argument.
I like that. Awesome Internet debating tactics by political.
1. Posting YouTube videos as an argument, thus demanding a specific investment in time of anyone who dares dispute the issue.
2. Appearing open to debate while IGNORING a response link.
3. Demanding an investment in time of an opponent (again!) by inviting them to deconstruct his linked video while refusing to do the same (or even read) his debate opponents (more time-friendly non-video) link.
Masterful job with so little effort by Political!
Are you the democratic strategist for MSNBC?
Lol nope, don't watch msnbc or any network news. But hey if there was a job offer I'd consider it!
If you need a reference, I would be glad to give you one.
Yes but because it erodes confidence in our elections not because I believe there is a lot of it.