Do you think voter fraud is a serious problem in the United States?
The Dems will change their vote when they lose a few close elections. Remember how they howled after Al Gore was defeated (thank goodness--what a pathetic human being) by some hanging chads?
You need an ID to apply for welfare, food-stamps, cash checks, rent a home, the list is endless. It makes me wonder how the poor can cash their welfare checks if you need an ID. Just another way reason why democrats a dummy's.
There is no legitimate reason not to have voter ID requirements. That absolute fact will simply not change regardless of what the pro-fraud people say. It matters not what they have to say about it. The Supreme Court does not agree with them either.
Good for you Alabama and Georgia, maybe the South WILL rise again.
Can another independent out their explain what voter fraud even is?
Not for the presidential election since the popular vote rarely counts anyway.
Yes it is a big problem that people seem to be blind too
Voter ID law now! What are you afraid of besides losing your ability to cheat libs?
No, but that's not a reason to not try to prevent it from being one...
Evidently you missed the wave of voter fraud in 2014, and the slew of "issues" with early voting this round. But hey, keep those blinders on. Btw 1 case is too many. I stand by my statement.
As long as the person with the most votes wins then people will find a way to get more votes anyway they can.
Wouldn't voter fraud require a massive number of people involved? And how could all of them stay silent? Or more likely, if I was going to rig an election, I wouldn't actually need people to vote, I'd pre- print/ stuff the ballot box.
We had precincts where one candidate got more than 100% of the eligible votes. How likely is it that one candidate would get 100%, let alone over 100%?? But, there is no problem??? Right!!!
Only Dems get OVER 100%. With Dead people, cartoon characters and illegal aliens voting it's no wonder.
Absolutely it's an issue....of course you won't hear about it unless your going to alternate news sources that are willing to report on it.
My true answer is "I don't know " I can't evaluate the problem without voter ID
^^^^ This is the real issue.
To all of those liberals who claim that voter fraud is negligible, the bottom line is you don't know. You have no idea how often voter fraud occurs because it's impossible to track .
This ^ smashes the pro-fraud argument against voter ID requirements. There is simply no rebuttal possible here. Pro-frauders...........you lose.
Dead Dems keep Voting.
Voter apathy is much more a problem than fraud, although the later may be an issue. If more people elligible to vote did, then fraud woukd not be an issue.
That was my first thought when I read the question.
So that is a reason not to have a voter ID requirement??? Nope. Don't think so.
Captain I totally agree with the id requirement to prevent fraud but here in California we give drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.
No. I was stating that if we had an interested, active, and responsible voters then voter fraud would not be as relevant. It is not an argument against voter ID, but an explanation of why we need it.
California is crazy! They give illegal aliens driver's licenses!?!?! That's just nuts. It's no damn wonder illegal aliens keep coming here. We're giving everything away!
The funny thing is hearing conservatives act like somehow only the other side would try to commit voter fraud. Like there aren't die-hard conservatives that would cheat to win, too.
There's not....just like voter fraud doesn't exist.
^ this. Conservatives only believe things exist when it scores a good Fox News story.
Another intelligent well thought out response from Rotavele. Man I hope you are just a hoax.
Who is Fox roto?? Whatdya mean??
Please roto.....dont breed.
How about this: you have to dip your finger in ink after you cast your vote, a la Iraq. How would everyone feel about that?
I cannot think of a reason to not do this!
I'll do it. Dems??? Would you?
So when the shipments of purple ink don't show up in districts with minority and elderly voters, then what?
Then they get to vote twice. Like now. Problem solved!
That wouldnt happen. The ink would get there first.
We had better call out the national guard
Ahh the bs stats roll out. Put the crack pipe down and walk away.
He literally just divided the statistics listed below... *facepalm*
Duuh the libiots have spoken. Hammer to head.
How 'bout I make you a pie with just a little s**t in it? Would you eat it? Even if you knew?? Its the same thing. Get an ID and vote honestly.
Everything cooked by human hands has a little bit of shit in it. So, yeah, you're always eating a little bit of shit with everything you eat. Not even counting the shit of insects and small rodents.
......so you really DONT understand my point?? Really?? You'd have to be pretty stupid not to get it.
You'd have to be pretty stupid to think that was a valid point :)
That's not true. You WOULD however have to be pretty stupid to be YOU george.
.....and you have proven it pretty well!
Derp derp derpity derp!
Yep, that's how captain retardo sounds :)
Wow. You sure told me! And sooooo maturely too........asshole.
As always....libs like George resort to acting like the true moron that he is when he can't refute the point at hand. WOW
Can't refute a point that was never made, retardo. But feel free to eat that shit you were so keen on eating :)
"Retardo" is YOUR name libtard. Just because you are too stupid to tie your own shoes and illiterate don't blame me. Learn to read for a change.
George......I think you are due for ANOTHER lobotomy. The first one didn't take. You're still too stupid.
"Can't refute a point " ......at least you admit it retardo George.
Jesus. You're so stupid you literally could only use my insult. Couldn't even come up with your own. You're the reason I donate for the mentally disabled. I just feel so bad that people as dim as you actually exist. So sad :(
GeorgeC can I get fries with that order?
You know until captain and cowboy talked about it, I thought it was just a joke, however they both still think lobotomies exist :/
How else do explain the continued existence of liberals?
Roto....you are living proof that lobotomies exist. You need another one .
Well George? Can we get fries with that?? I'm sorry to bother you with your profession at home......
I'm so glad that you donate to causes that help idiots like you george.
"Rotavele you're proof that a mental treatment worked!"
To a republican this means you need more.
No wonder they're butt hurt about Obamacare. They don't understand how stuff works.
Haha, oh Gstring, wouldn't it live up to your weird conservative fantasy if I had some minimum wage job? Sorry to disappoint my dear lass, my career is just a wee bit more demanding than your wishful thinking :)
So you're the assistant manager of the mcdonalds georgey?
Well george, get the fries boy! Move your little brain damaged ass!
Haha, so sad, Gstring. Maybe you can come to my hospital someday and I can diagnose you with terminal cancer. I'll be sure to deliver your diagnosis with a delicious side of fries and a smile :)
Why so full of hate sunshine? Don't tell me that I've gotten under your skin........terminal cancer....thanks man....be careful what you wish for george...........it will surely backfire on you. George.......prićk
It's not hate, I would just truly love to be the doc that got to hand you such a sweet diagnosis :)
You?!?!? A Doctor?!?!? Having you as a doctor would be WORSE than getting bad news. You are one special kind of stupid sicko. You took the wrong oath... It should have been the hypocritical oath because that is you. Oh by the way..... You have cancer
Dr George........incompetent prîçk!
And yes, it is hate no matter how you try to lie......prîçk
Kiss, kiss shnookums... Kiss kiss my aśs that is :0)
Gee George .... Is being a Vetrenary proctologist fun?? With śhit for brains like yours I'll bet you are right at home cancer boy!
Ahhhhhh the sweet sound of a moron frantically typing away, trying to get in some sort of insult, even if it takes him 30 minutes to try and come up with something even mildly amusing. Another fail for ol' Gstring :(
(psssst.. there's no such as a proctologist any more, it's not a field)
Veterinary? Are you implying that you are a horse, bstring?
Wrong George, they just changed the name. To colorectal surgeon, or proctologist.
Nope. Nowhere in any hospital will you ever hear the term "proctologist". No colorectal surgeon will ever refer to themselves as a proctologist. Ever. The term died out decades ago with the invention of the flexible endoscope.
Parsing words you are. Google it.
Ugh. Who do you think might know more about this? You reading a Wikipedia blurb, or the doctor that actually works with colorectal surgeons? Proctology literally is not a field. Colorectal surgery involves the whole colon and anal region.
Republicans know everything George, did you know that 99.9% of doctors including yourself hate and want Obamacare repealed?
Proctology involved the rectum and anus only because the only scopes at the time were rigid proctoscopes - no one could examine the rest of the colon endoscopically. Like I said, the field of "proctology" no longer exists in the US.
Obviously people still perform medicine in that anatomical region, ya dink. But they are gastroenterologists and colorectal surgeons. Not a single one in the US is referred to as a "proctologist". Ever.
The word d-i-n-k gets censored on here? Interesting.
Well Georgie you and Rot seem to enjoy life viewing from that region. Yes you are an anal expert.
Cmon now little boy Georgie....everyone knows it is you that are the mentally deficient moron of this conversation AND I have revealed that you are an animal ass doctor that got his degree at KMart U. But you already knew that.
You are just deflecting by complaining about technicalities of terminology no one really gives a crap about.
How does it feel to be an incompetent boob in your field of animal ass doctoring?
Captainbstring is what happens when you don't go to college, take media as education, can't admit any wrong because Fox News isn't wrong, and are on drugs.
He also doesn't know doctors go to medical school and take national exams.
The even more funnier thing? Most on food stamps are just like him and are enraged at other people on food stamps.
George probably has a high position in the custodial staff of a local health clinic.
He's a doctor. He went to school and got a degree.
He didn't join the army because he's not a low IQ who can't make it in an educational environment.
Maybe one day you can find someone else in the services going for a degree. There's a reason they put the uneducated out to fight for the educated by the way. Rich mans war. Poor mans fight.
George went to k-mart university and is not fit to practice medicine on a dead pig.You roto are always so wrong and stupid I can't take anything you say seriously.What you have to say about me is of no consequence or value.You however are a disaster.
George......prîçk! George....veterinary butt doctor with a degree from k-mart U. Rota......village idiot and all around àśshole.
Why do you type like you have Down syndrome? I think George can cure you, and it's covered under Obamacare if you just sit still.
Obamacare!?!?!? Lol! You are a blithering idiot rota! Your depth of complete idiocy never ceases to amaze me! I don't think Georgy can save you either.
He's in the right field.....(a veterinary ass Dr.) to work on you, but It looks hopeless. George.....prïčk. Rota....jackáśs
Wow, 55% total coolaid guzzling fools,
between Oct 02 and Sept 05, just 38 cases were brought nationally, and of those, 14 ended in dismissals or acquittals, 11 in guilty pleas, and 13 in convictions. Such "rampant" Fraud
How many cases would be too many?
He's from Georgia, evidently math isn't its strong point.
One is too many.
The fact that your single vote, can arbitrarily be extinguished by a Liberal, who regularly and heartlessly cheats to win, is an atrocity.
That's why I support the death penalty for all those both republirats, and democrats that conduct voter fraud.
Those are only the ones brought to court.
Voter Fraud "occurrences" is and over exaggeration created by Republicans to Stop Democrats from voting.
I guess Repub's know that their candidates Stink and cheating is the only way they'll get elected...
How would this stop someone from voting? You are an idiot
Very Nasty Melkirk...
Very small mind...
Answer the question, if voter fraud is an exaggeration, how does it prevent Dems from voting?
The obstacles prevent Poor people from voting.
Statistically poor = democrat
Suggest you do some reading before you call people names.....
You didn't answer the question. How does this prevent poor people from voting? Poor does not equal Democratic by the way. It's ideological, not socioeconomic.
The answer he is avoiding is that it doesnt. He knows it too.
Suggest you stop believing in unicorns and get off your LAZY ASS and get an ID so you can vote.
A common thread here is how Nasty those of you that support this Voter ID attempt by Republicans to Stop people (Democrats) from voting Get when challenged
If Repubs had good candidates... they wouldn't have to stoop to Political Trickery. .. Too sad
Hahaha, you still didn't answer the damn question! Us Republicans are so nasty, because we are having a conversation with the wall! Seriously, explain your comment, how does showing an I.D to prove you are who you say you are prevent you from voting?
Do you throw a fit if you need to show ID when traveling, cashing a check, driving or making a change to your cell phone plan? You need ID for everything!!
Think the answer is obvious
Clearly it's not obvious! Enlighten me
Here's another tidbit of Republican political trickery
Did you hear that recently North Carolina moved the early voting polls further away from the colleges so young people wouldn't have easy access either?
And a majority of young people or Democrats
I stand by my first comment. You are an idiot. And yes, I know... I am nasty. I can have a more intelligent political conversation with my 7 year old.
I am a 59 year old ...Retired at 55 idiot.
Not rich or poor
Drive an Infiniti
Bet you wish you were as much of an Idiot.. :)
Kind of materialistic of you but I'll play. I'm a 37-year-old woman served in the U.S Army. I put myself through college and a mother of two. I also have no mortgage and good investments and make $120,000 a year.. So no, I don't want to be like you
Usually get beat up by men here
Doesn't make you any less wrong though..
"A common thread here is how Nasty those of you that support this Voter ID attempt by Republicans to Stop people (Democrats) from voting Get when challenged" Boo hoo people are nasty! Get over yourself! Voter ID DOES NOT suppress voters. It does...
...however stop fraudulent voting which dems would love to see continue. Voter suppression is a lie to deflect from the fact that dems just want to continue cheating.
Your entitled to your opinion Captain
That's what makes this a Great Country
The proper term is "You're." Please use the right term if you mean "you are." To use "your" in that capacity just makes you look illiterate.
I stand corrected.... Lol
English & Math major
Turning 60 is effecting my fingers
But not my sense of humor
Try not being a total Ass captain... You'll have a happier life..
I don't have to worry about that old boy, you've got the market on being an ass all tied up. You're the best at it!
Very clever reply captain....
Voter fraud is bad, but when you create laws to prevent thousands, and hundreds of thousands legal Americans from voting, we have a greater issue.
Voter suppression is the evilest manifestation of voter fraud, and that needs to be dealt with first.
We don't have problems getting illegals IDs.
Nope, simple easy measure. If we catch you cheating, participating in voter fraud, we kill you. Right there and then. This should be the fate of those that pollute our nation.
Illegals and cartoon characters are NOT Americans!
Lol these results are hilarious... Voter fraud is negligible, at best... Maybe the attempts to make it happen are a problem, but as far as credibly fraudulent (see what I did) votes go, there's hardly any..
The question didn't separate attempts from succeses. I can tell you that anyone that does anything that negates or attempts to negate my one vote, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, not the law as Eric Holder wants to use it.
Execute those that participate in voter fraud. Problem solved. But how would the nation run without democrats?
What?? Fraudulent votes tally out at a whopping 13! You mean to tell me that the impact is really worth all the crap you're spewing? And that's in like an 8 year span!
Lip: You may be the dumbest person on this poll..
I might have been, but you showed up. Try not to drool on everything.
No one person's vote matters, yet people still say you should vote.
Over one million people have died and many more have been injured fighting for our freedom, so that you have the right to make that ignorant statement.
That or I'm good at math, statistically no one vote matters... That's a fact.
Even in the extremely rare event of a tie, it is usually settled in court.
Your right to vote isn't a statistical anomaly
Game, set, match.....jrrob!
I just got a call from someone saying that I registered to vote in another state and wanted to know if I intended to vote. I haven't lived in that state for over 5 years and I certainly didn't register. sounds like voter fraud to me.
That is voter fraud.
Sounds like it was caught without voter ID.
Between 2000 and 2010, there were:
649 million votes cast in general elections
47,000 UFO sightings
441 Americans killed by lightning
13 credible cases of in-person voter impersonation
That we know of....
And voter ID laws would reduce it to zero.
Hmmm, out here yes. Lots of illegals show up to the polls that are dropped off by buses. I bet they vote Democrat.
Of course they do. Dems WANT to perpetuate voter fraud because it helps their slimy candidates. They cant win any other way. I wonder what they are afraid of...... Truth maybe??
Disenfranchising the illegal aliens, cartoon characters and ACORN members voting in 3 states?......yep.
If only there had been numerous investigative reports proving that the effect is negligible...if only.
Can't do that since we honestly have no idea what the effect is.
I will try to vote more than once this time. In the name of "journalism".
"You should vote every single vote counts"
"don't worry about voter fraud it's only a couple dozen votes"
how does that work?
Of course. Liberals loving having illegals, minors, dead people to vote. It keeps them in power in many places. Everytime you hear about voter fraud its never for a Republican but always a Democrat. My grandparents were Republicans until they died.
You tell 'em, budice.
Yeah that's why Obama won again
Voter fraud is not even a MINOR problem in the US. Voter ID is a single-party solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Unless that problem is young, minority, and disabled people voting. Then it's accomplishing exactly what they intended it to.
How does voter ID keep these people from voting?
In MN we have same day registration with a piece of mail.
How can you confidently say there's NO fraud?! Would you, as obviously a liberal nut, have such low requirements for me to get my pistok carry permit? Unlikely.
Not a big fan of conservatives nuts with their toy guns, no. What can I say?
So.......get a frickin ID and shut the hell up.
I have one. But I can get to the BMV, wait, provide assorted pay and/or housing documents, afford it, and get home.
Anyone can do that. You need an address to register to vote, and one to get a driver's license. No difference. Should we waive the fee for the indigent to avoid a poll tax? Fine, no fee for a photo ID card. Happy?
again hansorg, answer the question. are you also so transparently fake outraged at the outrageous monetary hoops that are necessary to exercise one's second amendment rights? Are you?
I don't give a damn about 2nd Amendment rights. Terribly sorry. I would remove it from the Constitution in two seconds if I had the power.
Which is precisely why it's there. Fuck off you tyrant piece of shit.
"Rebel fury" from Minnesota. I bet you're a piece of work.
IDs are free if you supposedly "cant afford it." Get off your LAZY ass and get it done.
"are you also so transparently fake outraged at the outrageous monetary hoops that are necessary to exercise one's second amendment rights?" Whether you CARE about the 2nd amendment or not is irrelevant.
It IS a RIGHT for which we are TAXED through licensing. Requiring an ID to vote IS NOT a poll tax, nor is it targeted at "minorities." An ID is also required to buy a gun.
You people need to stop making excuses for why you don't want voter ID laws. You just want to keep cheating and that is the stark truth. There is no other valid justification for your opposition.
hans the point your hypocrisy is so transparent. There are HIGH fees and TONS of requirements on the second amendment but you dont say a peep. Cherry picking son of a bitch.
That's because I don't like guns...
I don't think the extent of fraud is enough to make a noticeable difference. Unless the large majority of the fraudulent voting favors one candidate, it is probably close to a wash anyway.
How 'bout I make you a pie with just a little shit in it? Would you eat it? Even if you knew?? Its the same thing. Get an ID and vote honestly.
I'm not sure I understand ur analogy...but no, I wouldn't knowingly eat a shitty pie
Yes you do. You're lying. If you wouldnt want shit in your food then why tolerate even a "little" voter fraud?
My goodness! Did the Liberal Messiah actually have a moment of honesty?
Voter suppression and voter apathy are not mutually exclusive.
Oooh. Circular arguments really make you sound like an important Liberal.
Tell me more how fantasy can lead to reality.
Liberal idiocy creates apathy, which is why Dems don't want voter ID laws, so they can fraud the American people.
"Vote Early, vote often!" Said...?
Mayor Daley, Chicago, Illinois.
Actually, the quote was originally attributed to William Hale Thompson. Mayor of Chicago. Republican.
Voter ID will significantly fraud and is long overdue!
With how close elections are any even a little voter fraud can throw elections and is a huge problem
last election there were only 86 cases of voter fraud..that's 0.00004% of the population
And which 86 of us lost our vote to this fraud? Everyone? No one? 1 case is a travesty in a free society.
I think studies essentially show that voter ID laws are a wash for both fraud prevention and minority vote suppression so from my perspective you either think the safeguard is worth it, or you don't.
Any argument is made stronger with these mysterious, unidentified "studies"
This isn't really an argument, and I bet you know how to use Google.
Interesting debate strategy:
1) Back position with mysterious, unnamed "study
2) Get challenged on facts
3) Suggest someone else research the validity of your argument
You must always come out winning your arguements ;-)
a wash? I've never heard that.
I have no interest in debating this. I figured I'd offer my opinion to anyone who did the research and came to the same conclusion.
Exactly! The fallacious claims of "poll tax" and "voter suppression" are being exposed for the lies that they are. It's just like the "stop the snitchin'" idiocy in Philly.No one talks to the police and the thugs get to continue doing what they want.
Wow! Let me read that salon.com article! They aren't biased at all.... Wait they are extremely biased....
Or you could read the PDF they link to of the judge's written opinion if you actually wanted to educate yourself, but you won't because you have no interest in leaving your bubble.
Voter ID laws will solve most if not all of it. Texas has the right idea!
I think anyone with some sense realizes a name should go with a face at the polls, but it's not that simple to accomplish that.
People in the Middle East risked their LIVES to vote! In the US, requiring a photo ID means, "Oppression"!? Give me a break!
I've never seen a Republican acknowledge that the number of votes suppressed far outweighs even the highest estimated number of cases of voter fraud. Until we make it affordable and easy to get an ID for all Americans, it is simply a political ploy.
Does California require voter ID?
Just moved here. I have no idea. South Carolina didn't.
Suppressed?? You actually believe those lies? Proof from a credible source?
Some states have had voter ID laws for state elections for several years now. They haven't suppressed minority turnout. It's no longer a matter of conjecture.
Funny how dead democrats always seem to rise from the dead on November 2nd
Funny how little that actually happens. What's funny is Republicans trying to pretend like they're not trying to suppress votes.
It actually happens all the time, I could pull hundreds of news stories
So you're saying those cases justifies suppressing the right to vote for thousands of Americans?
There are 850 people on the voting roles in NYC who are listed as 164 years old. Lol
@zep. Who are these shadowy voters we're suppressing? How do they exist in our society without ID? Why are they only democrats?
Voter suppression is a LIE.
Voter ID will end all speculation. Identify yourself and vote honestly!
Who's being suppressed, Zep? Illegals without an ID? They're supposed to be suppressed. They have no right to vote. Duh...
If I remember correctly when obama was running for the first time there were black panthers suppressing republican votes outside polling places. Republicans don't suppress votes democrats do. You should have an Id on you at all times. What makes this
Different? Oh yeah the fear of democrats losing votes.....