When poor parenting is affecting a student at school, should courts be able to order the parent(s) to complete parenting courses?
So now the gov can determine when parenting is simply poor? This may help a few cases but it opens the door way too wide to epic levels of abuse. What determines "poor parenting"? Maybe not teaching socialist doctrine does(USSR).
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As long as the court's paying...
Yes let's have the courts order people how to parent. What could go wrong?
Waste of time and money.
Humans no longer have natural selection. You have 8 bastard children and you make 18k a year? No problem, we'll steal from some rich people to ensure you have 8 more kids
When do we start sending the children to government youth camps?
That's a very scary idea. One major lesson in growing up is learning to be responsible for one's own actions. To tell a failing child that it isn't his or her fault is tantamount to telling him or her that it isn't necessary to grow up.
Well it's not the child's fault if they are being raped by a parent or step parent, or being physically and/or mentally abused. Or having to be around drugs all the time, or having to starve because the parent won't cook anything.
Those things are illegal. The children should all be encouraged to talk to school counselors, especially if their grades have taken a sudden dip. There's a difference between being a victim of a crime and not taking responsibility for your actions.
The primary goal of parenting might not be to make the kid easy to handle in school. If the kid is too much of a nuisance, the school just invites the parents to figure out somewhere else to get them educated. That's usually incentive enough.
The givt will define "poor parenting" as not saying Sieg Heil Obama and marching to all the leftist ideals. The courts will order parents for re-education, and the kids for re-education. One will be in prison-like schools, the other in just prison.
Sure, let's let the government parent our own children......that can't possibly go wrong.
The problem is that there are many "parents" who don't parent.
There are a disturbing number of people that lack basic parenting information that is detrimental to children. I don't like Gov. Regulation but we are talking about educating people with basic skills to raise children. SOME SCARY PARENTS OUT THERE!
It would be much better if more people were fine with getting an abortion
Events in the past few months of my life have entirely changed my perspective on parenting, even though the core of my experience is still the same. I spent over a year and a half fighting against a diagnosis of ADHD for my son because I denied it.
I tried everything I could to help him - diet, supplements, cognitive therapy, exercise... but the only thing it ended up doing was eat away his self-confidence and mine. I would hear stories of his behavior at school and be shocked it was my son.
Sometimes, children who have actual medical issues are written off as problem children. Their parents are negatively judged for their behavior. Before any judge gets to apply the label of "bad parent" to anyone, the child needs multiple evaluations.
The parents should be evaluated, too. In my case, not only does my son have ADHD, but my husband does, too - and it affects the way he parents. Other possibilities need to be considered rather than just a decision of "bad" parenting.
On the whole, though, I like the idea of ordering a parenting class. It essentially opens up sentencing options and hopefully keeps kids with their families while improving their life.
Hell... I consider myself a good mom, but I've still learned a lot in the classes I've had to take to help my son. I'm quite grateful for them.
Very interesting. So what worked for your family?
Medication. We haven't given up in alternate therapies - he still goes to see a cognitive therapist, and he's learning how to meditate - but medication has helped the most.
Maj, I'm a kindergarten aid. We know when it's a medical, biological, and just poor parenting issue. We can have 3 poorly behaved kids. 1 with caring parents, 1 with clueless but trying parents, and 1 with "who cares!" They need to CARE!
And one of our worst behaved will NOT improve until the parents see it's not a character flaw. He needs meds! He can't help it. It won't be prayed away.
We have _got_ to stop looking to the government to solve every little ill. The continual abdication of our own responsibility is pushing us closer and closer to a totalitarian nanny state.
Children cannot be expected to take of themselves. Parents should, but some don't. Are you willing to help those children or would you leave them with the parents incapable of taking care of the child? Not an easy answer to me.
The question didn't advocate taking the children away. It suggested parenting classes. There are other ways the child can and should be helped before the courts step in. Further, yes I am willing to leave some people (children or other) if
the alternative results ultimately in a police state in which I and others cannot freely make our own choices.
Why is taking parenting classes a police state?
In and of itself taking classes is not a police state. But we continue to seek some kind of government remedy for everything these days. Death by a thousand small cuts is just as deadly as one large one.
Why is adding an alternate sentence to a judge's bag of punishments looking for a government solution to a problem?
The issue is bringing the court into play to begin with for what amounts to 'bad grades'. Not abuse, not harm. Just 'poor parenting', which could simply be not making them do homework. Are we to ultimately be directed by the court on every choice?
Wait a second... Where in the poll does it say bad grades? For my son, it was when he threw every piece of paper and writing implement in the room all over the classroom floor, and the teachers had to clear the room so he wouldn't hit anyone.
It has been my experience that teachers don't like to contact parents. They might be required to, but they don't like it (Apparently, parents frequently tell them to go jump off a cliff). So "affecting a student at school" means more than bad grades.
We are talking about government that cannot seem to get anything right and is as biased and bought at every level. Come folks, strong family and responsibility is the answer. Yep, good values. Not more govt.
If the government can get to the point where they can make parents take a class then they should also make parents take a class before they are allowed to have children at all.
If they work then absolutely.
They = the classes
Bad parents equal bad genetics. The kid will be destined for failure no matter the coarse of action.
Uh yeah, that's not how it works...
No, because I think it's hopeless. It won't work, just like anger management courses rarely work, the issues are too deep, and they'd just grudgingly sit there not listening. It takes a resolve to change they probably lack.
It takes a village.
I would rather see the parents have to take classes and keep their kids than having the kids taken away.
If parents don't give a crap if their kids are learning, I don't see them paying too much attention to the class. And if they're not focused on the kid because they're working two jobs to feed him, would a dock in pay to attend the class help?
You can always make the alternative worse. You show up to this class and show that you follow the advice or you lose custody.
Lose custody to whom?
Hopefully not foster care, that seems like we're punishing the parents by further screwing up their kids' academic future
Whatever options there are. Other parent if parents not together, other family member, or state/foster care. Some parents are beyond help and to save the child desperate measures may be needed.
If there are options, but many times there isn't, parents that don't unfortunately raise kids that don't care, who end up having kids of their own and the circle continues. 96% of kids in foster care read below grade average. Is that really better?
Depends on what the situation was before. We really have too little information to give a definitive answer to this question.
This is true, but I still say save the foster system for when the child is in physical danger
Parents have the right to be idiots.
To some degree yes, but when their children get messed up it often ends up being a problem for the society. The question is really when to say enough is enough.
Bad parents don't necessarily mean bad kids, same with good parents meaning good kids
Question said bad parenting affecting child. I agree it's tricky, that's why I said below I need more info.
I agree that this is a case by case, need more facts thing. I'm just trying to generalize it best I can.
Don't see what good it would do. A lot of bad parents don't care and the rest refuse to acknowledge that their parenting style is ineffective.
there is not nearly enough info. and besides, situations from family to family are so different one law wouldn't be adequate to cover them all.
I admit this has affected me and continues to affect me, home life stresses me out sometimes as much as or more than school. I voted no, because that wouldn't change anything. The government can't invoke that change.
Sorry to hear that. You deserve better.
I think I need more information to really answer this, but there are definitely parents who are not doing their job.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I would need some examples/stories before I could answer this in a meaningful way.
I agree, but I still answered yes to be a fly in the ointment.
If you're a crap parent, fine. But don't affect someone else's life and future because of it. They didn't do anything.
Though it probably wouldn't change anything. Crap parents are crap parents.
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