Inspired by cowboy: It's been said that doctors performing sex change operations are only fighting the symptoms of something instead of working to find the cure. Lets say there is no cure. Would you be okay with the operations then?
I don't care what they do with themselves, as long as I don't have to pay for them.
Nope, why live in the land of what ifs, that's not how it is. It is fun to think of these things, but be practical. But seriously, NO.
I am practical. I took a premise that many people use as an excuse not to allow people to do what they want and expanded on it to see if their answers would change.
You blatantly said "lets say there is no cure". It just isn't that way.
Many of SOH questions are based on "what ifs." Why do you have such a problem with mine?
This is a pretty big topic, others are like, what if someone did this. But that being said, you are right, and I apologize for this.
Moral of the story:
Some people spend ten years of their lives in the study of medicine and/or psychology. Therefore, they understand things. Other people are members of "Y'all Qaeda" and are ignorant enough to think they understand :)
I don't understand how people can be so dense that they say a professional is wrong just because they don't like the outcome.
SM. Go off private for a few minutes.
Done. What's up?
I'm ok with it if someone wants to do that to themselves. However, they should pay for it themselves. I also do not think it's the right course of action.
Absolutely. And honestly, symptoms are all you can treat in that scenario. But unlike almost anything else, treating the symptoms can BE the cure.
Add to it, it's not harming me or anyone else in any way, so what good would preventing it do?
No. Because then it's expensive genital mutilation just to humor a delusional patient. That's irresponsible for a surgeon.
Is getting your wisdom teeth removed mutilation?
It is, by definition. But it is sometimes medically necessary, no? And that justifies it, no? Does the same not apply here? Is a mental ailment different from a physical ailment in this case?
Yes. Better to treat the delusion than pretend it's not one, as most psychiatrists have done for several decades. Cure the delusion and the desire for mutilation disappears.
And how do you cure it?
You talk to the sky.
I'm not sure you're an authority on what's a delusion.
Yes. I see it as a necessary medical procedure.
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Not true at all. Is the life of someone getting their wisdom teeth taken out in danger? No. Is the procedure sometimes medically necessary? Yes.
Still think it is wrong. Sometimes we are given challenges in life that we have to just deal with.
So dealing with challenges, in your opinion, means not taking action to improve your situation?
I'm always for improving situations
Except when it's "wrong." Which is ... when? And why?
The change being discussed in this situation I don't believe improves the situation.
You don't believe so, but it actually has for many people sooooo....?
No, it just creates more problems and it avoids the fact that they have done issues they really need to face and deal with
Right now you're answering for a large group of people you have never known about something you've never experienced. Do you not see the problem here? Especially since there are many people out there who prove your statement wrong!
You want them to just avoid the real problems. And just because something hasn't happened to me doesn't mean I can't see the effects it can have on society.
What are their "real" problems then, Doctor Psychology?
Obviously we aren't going to agree on this, not really much point in continuing.
I'm fine with not discussing, as long as you aren't going to stand in the way of other people doing to their own bodies something that has absolutely zero effect on you.
I can't ever say it is ok for them to do. It may not directly effect me, but it can effect society. It is not good to just stand back and let others do wrong either.
So just to be clear, you're positing the propriety of taking action to interfere with someone's rights over their own body while simultaneously refusing to engage in a conversation about how this is justified?
Sorry but what
You said there wasn't much point in continuing the conversation because we won't ever agree, yet you continue to push the view that people should be prohibited from doing something purely because of these beliefs you aren't willing to discuss due to
disagreement. I am pointing out that this is an untenable position.
You think it's right I think it's wrong and I don't believe in the live and let live mentality. People need others even if they think they do not or say they don't want help and guidance
I agree that people often need help they don't want. My point is that you have failed to justify your insistence that SRS is one such instance.
2 scenarios: a) They were born one way and something happened that made them feel the need to change it. B) God made them that way and it's apart of their life's challenge to deal with it as part of their personality,
Those are hardly the only two possibilities and I'm not sure what point you think that would make anyway.
What do you mean what point? I wasn't trying to make a point. Just stating how I see it.
Yes, and to what end?
I'm confused. What would the "cure" be? What do they think the problem is? Scientific evidence simply does not support the proposition that being born with certain genitalia aligns terribly well with assorted markers of identity that are culturally
but not biologically linked to sex. So are they suggesting that the "problem" is merely that our culture links gender identity to arbitrary personal characteristics? I would certainly agree that this is *a* problem, but my understanding of gender
dysphoria is that it is far more complicated than - and has actual neurologically unique components distinct from - simply being a very "masculine" female or a very "feminine" male.
The situation is confusing to me as well, I was just trying to build off their premise to see if I could get anywhere. Turns out I can't, I know, shocking!
This is so obnoxious. They use one excuse and then when that doesn't work they just move onto the next. Might as well just say "I don't like them, they're icky" and be done with it.
At least that'd be honest :-P
I'm fine with it, as long as private insurance or the person is paying for it. Tax payers shouldn't be paying for it.
I have no problem with an individual doing what they want with their own body.
What if you have to pay for it through your tax dollars?
My tax dollars go their own way, I don't worry. Be my guest.
We don't get to pick and choose *that much* with our tax dollars. And it wouldn't be good if we could. The things each of us find "worthy" differ.
I'm totally okay with anyone doing whatever the hell they want to do as long as they are not non-consensually harming others. I don't understand why people get so hung up on what other people are doing.
I'm only hung-up in it as it relates to the eventuality that I'll have to pay for it. See my comment thread down a little ways.
Ugh Yukon, you had to go there? :) I'm VERY against a single payer system because of all the things you outlined below & more. That's when we really start to become a socialist country & our freedoms really get taken away. Liberals don't even
understand what they're getting us into or what's in store for us if it goes that way.
Regardless, even though I have multiple transgender friends & I support their choices as individuals, I'll be damned if I want my tax dollars going to any type
of surgery in this realm. It's not my job to pay for other people's choices. That's why this country was founded on the principles of individual freedom & individual responsibility.
Lol. You're funny. Of course I went there. :-)
As long as the patient is paying for it themselves and not running it through my BCBS (cancelled yesterday btw).
Inspired by cowboy: everyone who didn't vote the same way I did is a communist.
Of course not. It's inhuman to butcher the mentally disturbed and those "doctors" that do, should have their licenses pulled for violating the Hippocratic oath.
Hmm.. I'm sure you are educated in the field to make such bold statements.
Tell me about your education.
I've done my research. It's called Body Dysmorphic Disorder.
Cowboy and education in the same sentence? .....
*grasps for air*
More educated than most.
That's your answer cowboy? "More educated than most".
Well, I hope you saw it. If you were blind, this app would be useless.
He mentioned Body Dysmorphic Disorder. Any response to that because personal attacks are neither educational nor a proper debate technique.
Yukon, a proper severe technique? ... LOL cowboy and I have a long history so anything goes. If you want a proper debate technique, join a debate club, this is the fucking internet.
Can't debate scientific facts without looking like fool, so go for the cheap shot.... It's all you got.
Mentality disturbed is a fact, jackass? No, that's your opinion. Just because you say something doesn't make it a fact, but you seem to think so, and that's what makes you retarded.
You poor kid. You're so angry.
I can never get angry at broke back cowboys who makes me laugh with ridiculous comments even if I wanted too
Such anger. Anger leads to hate.
I think paucity of thought and an inability to be civil are probably the case, abo. Tantrums are the dead give away.
LOL@ liking your own comments!!!
Yukon, you never make sense to me. If you think my replies are tantrums, you're new to the internet.
Conservatives on SOH are the most sensitive conservatives in America. If you don't like what I say, ignore me. I prefer to be ignored by pansies anyway
See Cowboy, that shows the limits of what you know right there. Not all people whoo are transgender have BMD.
It's BDD Rosebud. Do some research.
Which is it that you're talking about, Body Dismorphic Disorder or Bipolar Mood Disorder? Because BMD and BDD are two very different things...
Body Dysmorphic Disorder.
Geez that one was on me, never mind... sorry, I haven't found my glasses yet this morning and mixed up our comments.
(though that doesn't invalidate my comment, it just makes it unrelated)
Let's try this again. BDD is not the same as transgender. There are plenty of people with one and not the other.
There's no such thing as "transgender". It's a made up term from a sick mind.
Maybe you're the one who needs help, denying what's very easy to see and very real... Certainly delusions, possibly narcissism. Either way, help is available.
If it didn't exist, there wouldn't be so much on it and so many with it.
Because of people like you, the mentally ill are able to pollute our society with their sickness. You're the one helping kill society by polluting children's minds.
See what I mean? It's a sickness.
Yes, and you should certainly seek help.
He's not being delusional. BDD is a diagnosed and categorized DSM illness. Nothing delusional there.
Are you more upset that this is a real mental disorder or that cowboy knows about it?
Yukon I don't think you followed the conversation.
So there's mental disorders catalogued in the DSM which is the official manual for mental disorders. People get diagnosed by trained doctors with having one or more of these disorders. For cowboy to say that's recognized mental disorder is
I don't need help. I know that there's two genders. You do not. You need an education on simple biology.
is a mental disorder doesn't mean that there's something wrong with cowboy. It means there's something wrong with the person that's been diagnosed with the disorder by a trained doctor.
Acknowledging that the disorder exists is ok to do.
Yukon in case you hadn't noticed, he's claiming education, not treatment, is how to cure illness. That there are two genders, man and woman. And that intersex doesn't exist.
Cowboy, here's an easy intro to intersex for you.
There's a reason why medical school is complicated. Similarly, advanced degrees in psychology are complicated.
It's because the simpleton view of the world is ignorant.
Rosebud. There's a reason why education, in America, is failing our children. There's men, and women. What don't you understand?
Just check out the link Cowboy. I picked Wikipedia, because it uses pretty simple language.
There's men, and there's women. What don't you understand?
She doesn't understand why you keep saying that when there is medical consensus that diverse intersex bodies are normal forms of human biology.While she doesn't expect you to understand that, I still give her credit for trying to educate your dumbass
She claims that she went to college and still doesn't get simple biology, and neither do you.
I never said I did, genius. I'm telling what the medical consensus says. Are you a part of the medical community?
No. Yet I know that there's men, and there's women. Amazing, huh?
It doesn't take much talent or intellect to be an ignorant truck driver.
It's a dead-end job that doesn't require critical thinking skills. This is exemplified in a complete lack of understanding of everything except the most basic concepts.
"I have a Ph.D. in psychology."
"I deliver meat."
^ spot the difference.
Interestingly enough, if he was sick and dying, THEN he might start believing doctors know what they're doing.
Otherwise? He's an ignorant asshole.
I understand that you have a mental disorder. It's why you stalk women online. Get help before you hurt someone, if you haven't already.
Yeah that's why I'm winning at life and you're a loser.
What does that say about you, dear cowboy? LOL
If you can't even do anywhere nearly as well as someone you have such a low opinion of, you must REALLY be a failure.
Why do you hate yourself so much?
Let's end this thread please. Everybody have a good day.
Agreed, Yukon :)
The city's gorgeous today!
And the mentally disturbed gets to walk our streets...
What ever makes you happy, as long as it dose not hurt me
It hurts our society. Think of the children.
And the children who are transgender?
There's no such thing.
There's only the mental disorder.
Assuming it was a mental disorder, children can have them as well. It's not like diseases hold off until someone turns 18.
When they are of age and pay for it out of pocket I don't care
Proper education would help those children.
So when kids have an illness we should be teaching them about the illness, rather than treating the illness?
There's two genders kids. Man. Woman. Any questions?
1) Woman isn't a gender, it's female.
2) Not true, most obviously you're missing intersex.
3) Should we take that approach for the flu, measles, and depression too? "You don't need treatment, here's a textbook! That'll make it all better!"
Man isn't a gender either, btw. It's male and female.
Obviously you need a biology lesson.
Proper education would help you, and our children.
I would love one, but from someone qualified to teach it and who understands that man and woman aren't genders, and that "education" isn't how you treat disease.
There's men and there's women. What are you having trouble with?
I'm not having trouble with any of it. I actually paid attention in biology. Then again, that was college level. Did you not get that far?
Then why are you having trouble understanding simple biology?
"I understand biology" - Dr. Cowboy
Then why does the medical community disagree with you?
I agree with Dr. Paul Mchugh.
You agree with this guy, who picks and chooses bits of studies to try and stick with the same psychiatric views held 50+ years ago?
Yes I do.
I really don't care much about it as long as I and my tax dollars don't have to pay for it. I can't comprehend why anybody would want to do this or why any doctor would recommend it, but I don't care.
Unfortunately, the eventual adoption of a single payer system will mean that every voter's opinion on this issue becomes relevant. Another draw-back to single payer.
I'm sorry. I don't understand your second comment. Would you mind explaining it to me?
I think it's inevitable that we will adopt a single-payer healthcare system in the US. I believe that's what Obamacare is designed to segue into. Once everybody's personal healthcare is paid for by the taxpayer then everybody's health becomes
Becomes a voter concern and subject to public policy. Every voter has a say in public policy and so every voter will have a say in policies that affect people's health, including whether NYC style bans on big sodas is a good idea.
Of course, whether or not to cover transgender surgery will also be subject to the collective will of the people and no longer just a matter of personal choice.
Yup. The battle against sodas, sugar, and everything else deemed "bad" for people that eventually has a healthcare cost associated with it will become a target for voters and bureaucrats looking to make precious few healthcare dollars go a
Ahh.. That explains a lot right there.
Long way. Personally, I will agitate with my elected representatives to oppose all coverage of surgeries such as these and my vote will be used as a weapon against politicians that cater to the special interest lobby that's representing the
The transgendered interests.
Let them have the surgery, but if they want my tax dollars to pay for it then they'll have to accept the idea that my opinion and biases really do matter to them. Right now it's none of my business. That will change.
I don't see single-payer as inevitable at all. Even in the UK, which has possibly the largest single health organization in the world, has a private sector to cater for medical treatments not available on the NHS.
Lots of incorrect things get said, but that doesn't make them any more true.
Absolutely. There is nothing wrong with needing a sex change operation. Sometimes chromosomes get scrambled. People that require a sex change start showing opposite gender preference around four or so. And identifying with the other gender.
No one "needs" a sex change.
I am in favor of the operations now. I see them as essential for some.
True as can be.
They're not essential. It's promoting a mental disorder.
I just don't agree with you on this, Cowboy. I believe that anyone who would take the steps to go through the operation and the or pre and post-op treatment are at a point in their lives that it is necessary to their well being. They also need to
continue mental health treatment too. I just don't think that you and I will ever agree on this issue.
You disagree with scientific facts. That's illogical. How is altered, mentally deranged individuals, good for our society?
And that is where we differ. Science does not say they are mentally "deranged" nor does it say that they are harming society in any way. Most are good hearted people who are contributing members of society like you and I. I think you sometimes fear
those that are different from you and that fears manifests itself into hatred and unacceptance. You and I may never really understand the mental anguish these people go through, but we can still love them as we would any other human who has not done
us any wrong. Cowboy, I would never ask you to say you are OK with the procedure if you aren't. I would just ask that you open your heart to accepting them as people, people who want to be loved like anyone else and live their lives happily.
It's called Body Dysmorphic Disorder. It's well known. I'm trying to help them, and our society. Our children should not be subjected to horribly disfigured people, by butchers.
It's sad that someone would hate themselves so much, but let's not let them hurt themselves. It's our duty as a sane society.
I know what it is called. But "deranged" is no where in the diagnosis. Just let them be themselves and be happy. A child who talks or interacts with a transgendered person will not be harmed in anyway.
Now THAT is an opinion. Of course children would be damaged by this insanity.
OK... well I have had my say and I know I won't convince you otherwise. I will try again another day. :)
Not on this. Butchering the mentally ill is criminal.
Kay, you're honestly amazing.
Why? Because she thinks that letting children interact will the mentally ill is good for our society?
Cowboy, could you please specifically state how interacting with a trans person is harmful to the well-being of a child?
They are mentally ill.
Thanks, Jenna! That is very sweet to say! <3
That's it. Hug it out while society crumbles around our children.
Cowboy, could you be more specific in how this is damaging to children?
What more do you need?
Having a mental illness doesn't immediately make you a threat to children, I have 3. If you can't expand on your point to a specific I will assume you don't have any and are just pulling things out of your ass.
"Having a mental illness doesn't immediately make you a threat to children". Yes, yes it does. What mental illness do you have.
Does having depression make you a threat to children?
Everyone gets depression. Without proper treatment children have been murdered because of it. Someone with BDD hates themselves so much that they think cutting off body parts will "fix" them. That's simply not true.
You still haven't expanded on how exactly it's bad for children.
Also, I'm not sure why it matters what 3 I have since you made an unspecified blanket statement that if you have a mental illness you're bad for children.
I believe a transgendered person with love in their heart and love to give would be a much better parent than someone who is filled with this much hate for anything that isn't just like them.
What hate? Those people hate themselves and aren't mentally stable. If some mentally unstable person thought they were a dog, and taught children that it's "normal", would that hurt or help a child?
While inward hate is bad, the hate YOU and people like you spread outwardly is much much worse.
Also, that whole dog comment is uncomparable, so aside from me mentioning that, I'm going to ignore it.
Of course you are. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.
And no amount of surgery, from a butcher, will either. It's all in your head.
Is that a heroin needle tattoo on your arm? The kids must be proud...
Lol a heroin needle? I'm pretty sure all needles look the same, so that would just be what? A needle tattood with the word heroin in the middle?
It looks absolutely nothing like a needle, and yes my son absolutely loves it.
That's just great... Must be so proud...
Yup, also proud of the other two, thanks for noticing.
The family that does heroin together, stays together...
Aww yes because I have tattoos I must do heroin, of course.
It's a heroin needle..
Are you really this dense or do you just play so online?
I can see why your mind is clouded. You shoot up. It's good for the kids...
Cowboy, you are being a jerk. It is obvious that her tattoo isn't a heroin needle. How would you like it if someone made that kind of false accusation against you and because of it you NEVER got custody of your daughter. Shame on you for doing that.
You can come back with any rationalization or inane comment, but when it comes down to it you said things that you should never have said. Shame!
What is it then?
Looks like a needle to me.
Yeah... I'm the jerk. While all of you are for butchering the mentally ill.
You are ridiculous. Even if it did look like a needle, which is doesn't (or are you really that stupid?) you don't have the right to accuse someone of heroin use with absolutely nothing to go on. Absolutely shameful, unChristian and ridiculous.
A giant needle on the arm is good indication.
Case closed... you really are that stupid.
It's really too bad because I use to at least respect that you had strong opinions and stood up for them. But, I don't respect anything about you any longer with the way that you treat others.
You are now officially the first person I am putting on ignore.
I see. You respect my strong opinion until I disagree with one of your hot button issues... Laughable.
I'm real hurt... I don't want anyone that wants to butcher the mentally ill reading my comments anyway. I prefer sane people that want to help the children of our future.
It's a sonic screwdriver, but unless you're into sci-fi you're not going to know that.
And I've seen Kay disagree with you before so that bit about her only respecting you until she disagrees is complete bullshit.
Fine. Fair enough. I don't know what that is. Sorry.
I'm not gonna lie after reading that this poll was inspired by cowboy I was afraid to read on...
As Abolitionist once said, "anything inspired by cowboy is usually fucking stupid".
There's a lot. I dare you to type cowboy in the search engine. There is a lot related to football, but a lot more saying "inspired by cowboy" usually from those of us he has driven crazy.
Not a female Adam West writes it
seriously, drooski, if there were awards for most commented user polls...
Nemacyst is a cop? Holy shit that's scary.
Scary indeed. But his attitude makes sense now.
If it stops them from suicide attempts of course I am.
Those kinds of treatments haven't worked. Unless you think keeping them so doped up they can't function is good treatment.
Why the fuc k does it bother you what someone does with their own body?
Don't lower your mentality to cowboys.
If altering the body is the best way of treating these people, at this time, they shouldn't be shamed.
Nope. A better cure is using transphobic slurs against them, as Jesus would!
That seems to be the consensus here unfortunately. I just can't even.
profound, Nem. you're better than this.
Ehh, I don't think he is, really.
Was it ever funny?
If anyone likes fucked up and dark humor, it's me. But the fucked up and dark humor has to be humorous, not just fucked up and dark.
I can't stand Dane Cook.
@drooski- yeah, agree. I can't really think he's funny after he said I was responsible for being raped and a coward for not reporting the second one. This trolling really isn't funny. How about we earnestly discuss some of these issues instead?
I never said others didn't find it funny. Obviously I meant *I* didn't find it funny. if cowboy's sense of humor were the standard for comedy, we'd be fucked.
Transfolk are comparable to kleptomaniacs and rape victims are cowards for not reporting? Well, damn, when did you become the expert on 15th century pyschology?
maybe these are the humors that I was hearing about.
humor was a reference to medieval medicine.
the four humors?
Wow, you're awful. The police mistreated me the first time. I don't think you get what rape does to a person. I wasn't enduring that pain again. And I'm glad I didn't inform you more about my friends case you offered to "help" with.
why do you keep saying "the people have spoken"? The demographics for your polls are almost exclusively white, Christian, Republican, males- that's hardly "the people".
Interesting you don't think it's an abusive cops fault. I also think it's scary that you lack so much understanding of reactions to rape while dealing with it directly as a cop. This my friends, is why people like me keep our mouths shut.
Is high school curriculum the extent to which your knowledge encompasses?
Fuck you, I'm not exposing a woman who already tried to kill herself twice to you. You're scum and the reason people hate police. I really don't know how you live with yourself.
You really don't get it.
there's nothing about comedy.
and blaming someone for what someone else does to them... I'm not sure how you justify that one.
Nemacyst, like political, is another ScottyDoesNo/cowboy parrot. Don't blame him; he just needs a group to fit in.
Ignored again. I'm still dealing with PTSD and can't handle this shit. I hope you feel good about yourself and all the tape victims you've probably hurt. My friend doesn't deserve to be stabbed again, I'm not exposing her to a toxic cop like you.
Oh I know nemacyst, you'd be 100% rational and capable of fighting a cop right after being raped, go on, I'm sure you'd be quite the hero.
No one except the guy who did it. or are we excusing that, now?
lol are you implying I take only liberal arts classes er sumthin? I'm a Biochem major. Regardless, I don't need liberal arts classes not to be an uneducated dumbass. The irony is Criminal Justice is technically liberal arts...
@drooski- I get that a lot too. As a computer science major lol
and I as a physicist.
@AJ lol apparently understanding history, pyschology, human decency, and common sense makes you a Liberal Arts major.
you said she has no one to blame but herself. I'm saying the guy who raped her is someone who just may be to blame. call me old-fashioned, but I don't think he's excused.
Google "Criminal Justice" degree, and you'll find virtually every university organizes the major into their College of Liberal Arts.
Look, I'm not down-playing your degree- just pointing out the irony of you hating on liberal arts when your major
is, in fact, a liberal arts degree.
@drooski- I hear that a ton! And agree. No one needs a degree in some kind of liberal arts program to understand human decency.
Nem, in a good system, he gets locked up and we start to move forward. if the cop was abusive, or even just unhelpful, then we cannot, right? but we know that, even if not in the majority of cases, an unacceptably large number of rapists, especially
those with whom the victim is familiar, go free. we then push blame onto the victims, as we feel a need to blame someone in addition to the perpetrator, and can't seem to see the cracks in the system.
we accept that the perpetrator is to blame, but feel (and correctly, at that) that it's not the whole story. but with whom does that blame lie: the cop who wouldn't help, or the victim who doesn't want to keep re-living the experience?
@firefly- thank you. Seriously. It was probably the worst thing I've ever lived through, and I don't think I have the strength to do it again. People underestimate how extensively rape can damage you. It's really not worth reliving for a minimal
a stolen tv? sure. I mean, I've experienced this, and while it's annoying, it's not exactly personal. I've never been raped. I've never (knowingly) been close to someone who's been raped. it seems like the sort of thing that may be more personal than
Chance of the rapists being put in jail. Plus, one is out of the country for good anyway. The girl nema offered to help with is one who had extensive physical damage and was mistreated like me. She also doesn't think she could live this again. I
Think nema fails to understand the limits of a trauma victim, male female or otherwise. A person can only handle this so much. Then they break. You don't think you'll break until it's you; I know I didn't.
having my tv stolen, though. I'll speculate that just maybe, there are a lot of things running through your head that don't all make sense. from the outside, things always look different. I don't know, though, so I'd have to defer to someone who
has been through this. if that's you, then I whole-heartedly apologize for any assumptions I've made. but if it's not, I suspect that apology should come from you.
if you don't have time to hear all this, couldn't you just, you know, not read it?
I'm coining a new term to describe this ignorant right-wing mentality.
They're members of "Y'all Qaeda".
Similarly, they too are interested in denying common humanity for their weirdo agenda.
@stilletto- I like it :) it's unfortunate how callous some will be just to seem "edgy" or whatever the hell. Like, it's not edgy, trans people and rape victims have gotten shit for hundreds of years. Or he's a sadistic asshole who truly thinks these
Things, concerning that he thinks rape is justified in some cases and is a cop.
what is it, exactly, that you're trying to accomplish? What's your end game here?
I know that the premise of the question requires you to believe being transgendered is a disease, which many of us don't, but I'm sure you see my angle here, and I'm sorry for any of my friends I may have offended by asking this.
I didn't leave it out for lack of understanding but for lack of space.
Why would anyone be offended by a scientific fact? That's silly.
Your use of transphobic slurs makes you appear transphobic, not your hate of a transperson.
The same as a white man using racial slurs against a black man- it's not racist for him to hate a black man; it's racist for him to use racial slurs.
I didn't see that, I just know I've seen cowboy state it more than once, and just too me in a conversation minutes ago.
I didn't say transphobic slurs were the same as racist slurs. I said transphobic slurs imply transphobia the same way racial slurs imply racism.
I know reading comprehension is hard sometimes
Words of mine, yes. Taken out of context, yes.
It's okay, man, we can work through this. One syllable at a time, if that's what it takes.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.
That's not what droo said or meant. I don't know why you're twisting his words just to cause an argument. There's arguments to be had all over this place without taking things out of context to do it.