Should the President be elected by direct popular vote, or the current electoral college system (winner take all in each state)? (UserQ)
fun fact: KS has never cast a single electoral vote for a democrat in it's history
also votes like the 56 from Cali are irrelevant largely bc repubs never win that state & expect to be in the hole from it regardless. similarly repubs can rest easy they will easily grab KS 6 votes every time
@roll tribe: look at election maps for republican wins. more often than not their win is a result of grabbing a bunch of littler states in the south & midwest like KS, MO, BAMA, MS, & ARK. not powerful individually but a few small states it can make up for a losing a bigger swing state
On the other hand, this representative government is why we are a republic, not a democracy. As the saying goes, "this form of government is terrible, the only thing it has going for it is, everything else is worse."
Actually, Hitler came to power through a representative vote, much like we have. Many dictators do. It's what happens when only one political party is in power, they can vote in whatever that wish as representatives.
And the issue of large state vs. little state damn near broke up the constitutional convention, so I doubt we'll resolve it here haha :)
Smaller states barely have any power anyway, look where people campaign the most, states like California, Texas, new York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio. If you win a state with 4 electoral votes...who cares. They wanna win big states like California which by itself has them ~1/6 the way elected
i agree that the current electoral system is open to manipulation. but i also understand that the president is technically elected by the popular vote of each state, not the popular vote of the whole country. population densities have to be balanced by an electoral process.
I have little faith in people to vote as a whole. I once heard a group of girls say they voted for a politician bc he was cute.
if a popular vote was instituted the smaller states wouldnt matter in any election.
Keep the EC because it gives small states power and relevance. That's why we have a Senate.
that said, this discussion is pointless. the only way to eliminate the E.C. is by amending the constitution. Even if you get the congress to pass the amendment, it will fail to be passed by enough states. The lesser populated states will never cede their power.
Let each county have an electoral vote. That would kill the overpopulated areas running over rural votes. Just an idea
the electoral college was instituted so that states with smaller populations would not be insignificant. Under this system, no president can be elected without support from all corners of the country.
@sksschultz: the media didn't wrongly quote her; snl was just making fun of her obliviousness. They weren't looking to quote her directly.
We need another question to find out how many people even knew about the electoral college. I say scrap it.
SKShultz haha very true but that's one of democracies flaws I guess
@rolltribe - I still wouldn't trust the "common man" - the public is largely uninformed & only "informed" about frivolous things like how much Palins wardrobe cost and that she could see Russia from Alaska, or as the media WRONGLY quoted "from her house." etc.
Dictators are elected when a country is driven to hell and the people want a "knight on a white horse" to save them with empty promises, example: hitler
Here are the options: Do you want a system where some people's votes count more than others and where getting 25% of the vote can get you the presidency…or…a system where everyone's vote counts the same but large population jobs will be the focus of campaigning.
@Gjb I agree with your point but with electoral college you can get 51% of the popular vote and 100% of the electoral votes, doesn't make sense to me
EC is the only way to elect officials! You idiots who are against it are pro communism because popular vote is how dictators get elected!! Read a history book!! Geez!! Wake up!
The EC is outdated, flawed, and pointless.
a popular vote would completely eliminate the need to campaign anywhere outside of major cities. not a good idea
People who want a popular vote need to do their homework.
Only creates problems, hence the results of the 2000 election
The electoral college is obsolete. It was only put in the constitution because the founding fathers didn't trust the "common man" with such a decision as the president, so essentially the popular vote was a formality because the real power rested in state appointed electors. But now it's useless and
Lol hit paste button by accident
Sad. Really pathetic results. Jonathan Ive
Al Gore won the popular vote.
The Country would have been a better place with him in the White House.
Unfortunately, G Bush's brothers State (Florida) and a Conservative SCOTUS picked our President.
The fact that it exists is an abomination. 2000 election: the fact that the candidate that the people chose to elect did not get elected is a clear failure of the system.
Theoretically, you only need 25% of the popular vote to get 50% of the electoral vote. That's ridiculous.
People really don't understand the electoral college. It is absolutely essential!
Without the Electoral College, why would candidates spend any time in the middle of the country. They would concentrate on high density urban areas.
Yet "true" democracy might encourage more people to vote knowing that their individual vote would count.
Electoral college - appropriately so since we're a democratic republic.