Churches offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants in danger of deportation. Should this be allowed to continue or should the authorities also enforce the law if it requires entering a church and arresting people in the church?
If a church is a 501c3 organization then they are licensed by the Government and the government can enter the church. The church would have a better case if it were not a 501c3.
Where in this country AREN'T illegals safe from deportation? They're completely safe and if they aren't, they should take sanctuary in a voting booth. That's where they're most welcome.
Im a Christian, but there is no way any church at all should be allowed to give sanctuary to illegal immigrants. It goes way too far.
I'm surprised to see the majority of Republicans want to see the sanctuary of the church violated.
Like democrats like the church. What a joke.
I don't understand your comment or how it relates to mine.
Krystina, the purpose of the question was to explore if this would happen.
Churches have to do what they believe is right, but be ready to face the consequences one way or another.
Allowed but they better get a warrant.
I consider it harboring a fugitive, doesn't matter that it's a church
There's a law supporting that, but I couldn't find that it's enforced.
They are only protected within church walls, which can only hold so many ppl. Sooner or later, it'll full &/or ppl will have to leave. Wait 'em out.
As far as I know they are really small numbers, at least so far. The articles mentioned one in Arizona, another in the Midwest etc.
And here I thought churches had stopped doing cool things.
Yet you rail against other things propagated by the church. Fool.
I'm all about a "pathway to citizenship". But against illegal entry to our country. They should be deported and wait in line like everybody else. Joining our military for 2-4 years can be a fast-track to citizenship. Learning English is a must!
Many agree with that, I was exploring how people feel about making arrests in a church.
I don't see a problem with it. The church is not exempt from the law.
I have a hard time coming up with a legitimate case for disallowing law enforcement from entering a church to arrest people.
I would like good reasons, though. I'm all for a way to not have the government break up families.
They are considered "sensitive" areas. Can you imagine a swat team pulling illegal immigrants out of a church while the priest is protesting. It would be a circus so they stay away from it.
I can see PR reasons, but that's about it. I'm not sure there is any legal justification, though.
How about Houston Mayor receiving a court order to produce sermons from pastors opposed to her politics.
No, subpoenas sent out to churches who possibly broke the law.
Why do conservatives conveniently forget that part?
"Let freedom ring" a couple more years in Gitmo and these Pastoral Types will tell truth about their position on Gay Rights.
Go talk to others about chem trails and Christian persecution in the US.
Hmmm. I always thought you were open to considering the facts on any side of an issue.
Actually this is not the correct thread to argue Gitmo. I am strongly opposed to churches harboring suspects of any nature.
Although I disagree with the action of harboring illegals, "santuary" is a concept and practice that we can not aford to violate. Many of our common law concepts and practices are being lost by the attitude of "if it isn't codified, it is legal."
I believe you should be able to seek refuge in churches, but eventually they're gonna come out. You can arrest them then. Or when you get a court issued warrant.
They can't stay in there forever... Just wait them out.
Yes, houses of worship cannot defy federal law. Deportations are a waste of money, but if that is what we must pursue then it should be equitable
Churches argue they shouldn't comply with ObamaCare. I would guess you would agree they're above the law in that case.
The Religious Freedom Restoration Act hedges on what is a compelling government interest. I would argue that apprehending fugitives is one of the more compelling purposes of government. For that reason I support the Hobby Lobby decision and oppose
an exemption in this scenario.
OK I was just trying to give you a hard time.
So hypocritical of Republicans who don't want the govt involved in various religious practices but it is okay to subvert the churches when it is an issue they want to enforce.
Not hypocritical. Church's do not have the right to defy federal law. What would be hypocritical is to evict illegal immigrants residing in apartments, but to allow illegal immigrants seeking shelter in church's to stay put.
Not to mention us typical conservatives who actually follow the law of the good Book know that it states "those that refuse the laws of the land are refusing to obey God."
Skinner is correct.
Good for the churches. I would never authorize an invasion of their property on the basis of deporting people therein housed.
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Churches are no more sovereign than individuals or property owners. Deportation is mostly a waste of money, but if the government is going to waste its money, that someone resisting it is a church doesn't grant special exemptions.
There is nothing special about churches regardless of the crime being alleged. But like any other private property, I think the authorities would need a warrant or comply with the rules that don't require one.
They would probably need a warrant, but the difference is that if the immigrant was in a private home they wouldn't hesitate to get one, but they don't enforce the law in a church because it's considered a sensitive area.
I see that as a failure. I'd expect that would be taken into account by the judge issuing the warrant based on the evidence of probable cause, but there either is probable cause or there isn't. Being a church doesn't change that.
Zod is completely correct. What gives you the idea that police have any hesitation enforcing the law in a church? We do it all the time.
3Gun, from the article: "Immigration agents generally don't arrest individuals in so-called sensitive locations, such as churches and schools. Unless a dangerous felon or terrorist is present, enforcement action requires approval from a senior ...
...official of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a spokesman for the agency said.
The church is about attending to our spiritual and physical needs. It is not about harboring fugitive and illegal immigrants.The church should not be an enabler of those who are breaking the laws of the land.
Breaking the law is breaking the law... If I shoot someone in a church, then the police will arrest me.
True, but that's a different kind of crime. From the article: Immigration agents generally don't arrest individuals in so-called sensitive locations, such as churches and schools. Unless a dangerous felon or terrorist is present, enforcement ...
...action requires approval from a senior official of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a spokesman for the agency said."
Get them when they vote, or collect their welfare check.
They don't leave the church at all, they stay 24/7.
After the election Obama is going to sign the Executive Order anyway. Death is coming to America.
With a warrant sure
What a waste of money to have on duty police officers standing at church checking for warrants and ppl with no papers. Ain't nobody got time (or the taxes) for that.
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