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TomM October 21st, 2014 10:39pm

Churches offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants in danger of deportation. Should this be allowed to continue or should the authorities also enforce the law if it requires entering a church and arresting people in the church?

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FarmerManE djent
10/21/14 8:52 pm

I consider it harboring a fugitive, doesn't matter that it's a church

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skinner Wisconsin
10/21/14 6:22 pm

Not hypocritical. Church's do not have the right to defy federal law. What would be hypocritical is to evict illegal immigrants residing in apartments, but to allow illegal immigrants seeking shelter in church's to stay put.

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CTYankee!!! Connecticut
10/21/14 6:08 pm

So hypocritical of Republicans who don't want the govt involved in various religious practices but it is okay to subvert the churches when it is an issue they want to enforce.

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cowboy Here and There
10/21/14 4:43 pm

After the election Obama is going to sign the Executive Order anyway. Death is coming to America.

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skinner Wisconsin
10/21/14 6:23 pm

Yes, houses of worship cannot defy federal law. Deportations are a waste of money, but if that is what we must pursue then it should be equitable

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Jay716 Buffalo NY
10/21/14 7:29 pm

I'm all about a "pathway to citizenship". But against illegal entry to our country. They should be deported and wait in line like everybody else. Joining our military for 2-4 years can be a fast-track to citizenship. Learning English is a must!

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TomM
10/21/14 7:53 pm

They are considered "sensitive" areas. Can you imagine a swat team pulling illegal immigrants out of a church while the priest is protesting. It would be a circus so they stay away from it.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/21/14 4:54 pm

There is nothing special about churches regardless of the crime being alleged. But like any other private property, I think the authorities would need a warrant or comply with the rules that don't require one.

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l1f2
10/22/14 5:06 am

Allowed but they better get a warrant.

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cowboy Here and There
10/21/14 4:17 pm

Get them when they vote, or collect their welfare check.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/21/14 5:07 pm

I see that as a failure. I'd expect that would be taken into account by the judge issuing the warrant based on the evidence of probable cause, but there either is probable cause or there isn't. Being a church doesn't change that.

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ghoti
10/21/14 6:52 pm

Although I disagree with the action of harboring illegals, "santuary" is a concept and practice that we can not aford to violate. Many of our common law concepts and practices are being lost by the attitude of "if it isn't codified, it is legal."

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hrankta
10/22/14 10:34 am

Churches have to do what they believe is right, but be ready to face the consequences one way or another.

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/21/14 8:01 pm

I can see PR reasons, but that's about it. I'm not sure there is any legal justification, though.

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Jay716 Buffalo NY
10/21/14 8:03 pm

I don't see a problem with it. The church is not exempt from the law.

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/21/14 7:15 pm

I have a hard time coming up with a legitimate case for disallowing law enforcement from entering a church to arrest people.

I would like good reasons, though. I'm all for a way to not have the government break up families.

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mrdudemanpants
10/21/14 8:27 pm

And here I thought churches had stopped doing cool things.

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genuflect University of Minnesota
10/21/14 5:42 pm

Good for the churches. I would never authorize an invasion of their property on the basis of deporting people therein housed.

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lip massholevania
10/22/14 3:30 pm

Like democrats like the church. What a joke.

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/21/14 8:44 pm

They are only protected within church walls, which can only hold so many ppl. Sooner or later, it'll full &/or ppl will have to leave. Wait 'em out.

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lip massholevania
10/21/14 8:57 pm

Yet you rail against other things propagated by the church. Fool.

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ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
10/22/14 3:55 pm

Not to mention us typical conservatives who actually follow the law of the good Book know that it states "those that refuse the laws of the land are refusing to obey God."

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TomM
10/21/14 7:54 pm

Many agree with that, I was exploring how people feel about making arrests in a church.

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TomM
10/21/14 4:40 pm

They don't leave the church at all, they stay 24/7.

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typetype level 2 pretty
10/21/14 3:51 pm

What a waste of money to have on duty police officers standing at church checking for warrants and ppl with no papers. Ain't nobody got time (or the taxes) for that.

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MFDOOM natural selection
10/23/14 6:32 am

Skinner is correct.

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pietsch Another Adoring Fan
10/22/14 8:46 pm

Where in this country AREN'T illegals safe from deportation? They're completely safe and if they aren't, they should take sanctuary in a voting booth. That's where they're most welcome.

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wolf124 California
10/21/14 9:14 pm

My phone slipped in my hands and I think I accidentally hit "Report Abuse". PLEASE accept my apologies. : (

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GlockMan1 Alabama
10/21/14 4:52 pm

The church is about attending to our spiritual and physical needs. It is not about harboring fugitive and illegal immigrants.The church should not be an enabler of those who are breaking the laws of the land.

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Saphira
10/21/14 6:40 pm

They can't stay in there forever... Just wait them out.

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TomM
10/21/14 4:59 pm

True, but that's a different kind of crime. From the article: Immigration agents generally don't arrest individuals in so-called sensitive locations, such as churches and schools. Unless a dangerous felon or terrorist is present, enforcement ...

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TomM
10/21/14 6:45 pm

Churches argue they shouldn't comply with ObamaCare. I would guess you would agree they're above the law in that case.

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RepMorris Pennsylvania
10/21/14 6:46 pm

I believe you should be able to seek refuge in churches, but eventually they're gonna come out. You can arrest them then. Or when you get a court issued warrant.

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TomM
10/23/14 7:50 pm

Krystina, the purpose of the question was to explore if this would happen.

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/22/14 7:46 pm

No, subpoenas sent out to churches who possibly broke the law.

Why do conservatives conveniently forget that part?

TomM
10/22/14 3:38 am

As far as I know they are really small numbers, at least so far. The articles mentioned one in Arizona, another in the Midwest etc.

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/22/14 6:36 pm

???

I don't understand your comment or how it relates to mine.

TomM
10/22/14 3:43 am

There's a law supporting that, but I couldn't find that it's enforced.

Halfrikaan
10/22/14 8:35 pm

Im a Christian, but there is no way any church at all should be allowed to give sanctuary to illegal immigrants. It goes way too far.

skinner Wisconsin
10/21/14 7:01 pm

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act hedges on what is a compelling government interest. I would argue that apprehending fugitives is one of the more compelling purposes of government. For that reason I support the Hobby Lobby decision and oppose

HammeringMan Gods Away On Business
10/23/14 6:04 am

"Let freedom ring" a couple more years in Gitmo and these Pastoral Types will tell truth about their position on Gay Rights.

TomM
10/21/14 7:55 pm

OK I was just trying to give you a hard time.

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/21/14 5:30 pm

Churches are no more sovereign than individuals or property owners. Deportation is mostly a waste of money, but if the government is going to waste its money, that someone resisting it is a church doesn't grant special exemptions.

HammeringMan Gods Away On Business
10/23/14 7:40 am

Hmmm. I always thought you were open to considering the facts on any side of an issue.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/23/14 6:33 am

Go talk to others about chem trails and Christian persecution in the US.