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suppressedID June 11th, 2014 3:49pm

Why are our schools so much more dangerous? (since the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT, there have been an average of 1.37 school shootings for each school week, and ANOTHER yesterday here in Portland ) .

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eyesee central oregon coast
06/12/14 12:58 pm

I think a lot is faked to stir up fear, and get the people to give up more rights , especially the second ammendment

LadyBug237 Florida
06/12/14 8:13 am

Because as a society we are not as responsible or as respectful as others before us. Poor parenting. More bullying. Less responsibility and respect!!!!!

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sara666 CT
06/12/14 6:31 am

Because everyone in this country is a phsycho in that this doesn't happen in other countries around the world. I hate you all

lightsabr2 The Big Sky
06/12/14 5:42 am

If you research the figure in your poll, you'd find that the Bloomberg Goons cooked the books to get at that number of incidents.
m.townhall.com/tipsheet/claireehealey/2014/06/11/everytown-school-shooting-map-portrays-misleading-data-n1850309

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ScrewU Gone
06/12/14 6:15 am

Huge numbers of mayors walked away from Bloomberg's group once they found out it was nothing but an anti-gun crusade. He's formed two more groups since, and this propaganda comes from his "mothers against..." group.

ScrewU Gone
06/12/14 6:21 am

Sorry, comes from his "every town against..." group.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/12/14 5:41 am

America's fascination with killers and crazy people.

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sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
06/12/14 6:38 am

Totally agree. I don't watch the local evening news at 10:00pm for that very reason. 9/10 stories are murder, murder, death, murder, abuse, death, death, assault, corruption. It must sell if that's what's being programmed. Pathetic, really.

ScrewU Gone
06/12/14 7:34 am

Yes. They run salacious stories from a thousand miles away that don't affect me in the least, instead of actual local news. It's pathetic.

rons Thanks America
06/12/14 5:21 am

Families don't care about their little animals anymore.

Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
06/11/14 7:45 pm

They wont find ANY resistance, and they will get famous.

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suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/11/14 9:19 pm

Except that shooters almost always have a personal tie to the target and aren't "selecting" a less defensible locale.

Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
06/11/14 9:23 pm

Any place that has a "no guns" sign is defenseless. There has never been a mass shooting at a shooting range. Why? Because everybody else would kill you the second they realized what you were doing.

suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/11/14 9:43 pm

You can't draw a correlation based on no data points.

suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/11/14 10:10 pm

And MOST places don't have a massive proliferation of guns - most people feel more comfortable that way.

Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
06/12/14 7:03 am

Well welcome to America! We have the most guns in the world both per capita (89-100 per 100 people) and by total number (270,000,000 to 310,000,000).

Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
06/12/14 10:02 am

How? And i do have numbers for my data sets, its called zero.

steelcity Pittsburgh
06/11/14 2:37 pm

The implication of the question is that school shootings are more common since sandy hook. I don't think that's the case. Just more publicized.

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ScrewU Gone
06/12/14 6:10 am

It's not the case. Just more Bloomberg propaganda.

KatG Liberal in Ohio
06/11/14 12:20 pm

I think the media plays a huge part in this. Sensationalizing it and making the shooter (in)famous has a certain lure for some kids. And some adults.

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Squidboy Snarkapottamus
06/11/14 6:44 pm

You think? Sarcasm font needed there. :-)

kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/11/14 10:57 am

I think less people would be killed if the act of killing had to be done with a knife. Stabbing someone to death is not as easy as it sounds.

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Pumpkin127
06/11/14 12:27 pm

Exactly!

Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
06/11/14 9:26 pm

m.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

29 people were stabbed to death at a Chinese train station. And in England concealed knife carry can get you 5 years in prison.

Pumpkin127
06/11/14 9:27 pm

It the person had had a gun instead there would've been a lot more dead

suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/11/14 9:30 pm

Gun incidents in the US are FAR more prevalent than cherry picking something globally.

Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
06/11/14 9:32 pm

Its always good to take a global perspective.

suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/11/14 10:26 pm

Still you need more data points.

And what do you think would happen if China had REMOTELY the same proliferation of knife attacks as we have with guns?

duey in a fools paradise
06/11/14 10:01 am

Well I can say this, its not video games or being ignored by your parents. Or even being bullied, nope people especially kids are just defective. Somehow they just turn into little sociopaths.

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duey in a fools paradise
06/11/14 6:41 pm

Did you forget to turn on your sarcasm meter?

TierasPet
06/11/14 10:00 am

It doesn't matter if it's every week. The problem is that we do not hold people responsible for their actions in this country. Until we do that, none of these problems will change.

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kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/11/14 11:02 am

How are we not holding murders accountable? We lock up more people than the rest of the world combined. Are these criminals doing unaccounted for time. It's not like we are known for looking the other way. We even put people in prison for no reason

TierasPet
06/11/14 11:19 am

We do lock up more people than any other country. Most of them are locked up for nonviolent crimes. In Shazam's poll, he asked whether mental illness excuses murder. I believe it does not and it's an excuse. people that ill should be removed from..

TierasPet
06/11/14 11:19 am

society permanently. They may get better with care, that does not mean that should ever be on the street again.

suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/11/14 12:22 pm

Yeah, but most of these shooters take their own life (or simply don't plan to come back). Accountability is not the issue...at least with the shooters.

TierasPet
06/11/14 12:38 pm

The responsibility is the issue. As a society, we do not hold these people as responsible for their actions as we should. Until we change, they will not. Expect many more shootings in the future. Here are some excuses that seem to be acceptable:

TierasPet
06/11/14 12:40 pm

I played violent video games, I watched violent movies, My parents didn't love me, I was bullied in school, etc. etc. Are these excuses or reasons?

CalTexHawk spiral arm
06/11/14 3:20 pm

Hard to hold someone responsible, accountable, liable, or any-other-able when the shooter is dead. I believe that was IDs point.

TierasPet
06/11/14 3:48 pm

I agree.

CalTexHawk spiral arm
06/11/14 6:13 pm

Roger that, over and out

ScrewU Gone
06/12/14 6:11 am

Do you know the average amount if time a killer spends in jail for murder? Four years.

That's not accountability.

TierasPet
06/12/14 6:20 am

That was my point 3Gun. Accountability and responsibility are sorely lacking in this country in many areas.

fredd TrumpLand
06/11/14 9:53 am

Is this counting actual mass shootings or are we just counting every incident with a gun?

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bMyComrade Stumptown
06/11/14 5:36 pm

I think any incident of gun violence at a school rates counting. 'Only' two died yesterday at the school here in Portland. One victim and the shooter, both freshmen boys. Not mass, but still heartbreaking.

fredd TrumpLand
06/11/14 7:37 pm

Sure every incident rates counting, but not all in the same basket.

ScrewU Gone
06/12/14 6:13 am

Every incident where a gun was fired on school property, regardless of whether school was on session or if the only person the shooter killed was themselves.

redsox95 New England
06/11/14 9:15 am

It all leads to poor parenting.

Blame the NRA all you want, it just makes you look like a fool. Citizens have always had a right to own firearms, since the 18th century.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
06/11/14 9:13 am

Wait wait wait....wait

a shooting EVERY WEEK? Now we know you've fallen off the deep end.

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suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/11/14 12:23 pm

See the link below. I questioned it, too.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
06/11/14 8:54 am

I've heard that shooting stat, it seems suspicious to me. Do you have a source that details every incident?

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Pumpkin127
06/11/14 9:00 am

I was suspicious of it too. It seems way too high! I googled sources and it sounds right.

suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/11/14 9:02 am

It's based on a school year of 180 days.

everytown.org/article/schoolshootings/

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
06/11/14 9:08 am

Thx for that, it's a start. I would be curious to know how many of those incidents resulted in death or injury and how many were accidental discharges. Would also like to know how many were an actual shooter with intent to harm.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
06/11/14 9:09 am

Not saying we shouldn't try to do something...but I think we need to start with honest data.

suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/11/14 12:22 pm

Agreed. Clearly they all aren't mass slayings.

CalTexHawk spiral arm
06/11/14 3:24 pm

I would consider an "accidental discharge" at a school as a fairly egregious event. Why would anyone need to have a weapon in a condition where an accidental discharge is even a possibility in a school?

CalTexHawk spiral arm
06/11/14 3:26 pm

Even if teachers carry weapons in schools, they should be well secured (just like police when their weapons are holstered). Unless they are drawing a weapon to respond to an active shooter situation, there should never be an accidental discharge.

CalTexHawk spiral arm
06/11/14 3:26 pm

Unless two love birds are getting frisky...sorry, couldn't help myself.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
06/11/14 6:46 pm

Number of school shootings similar to Reynolds HS since Sandy Hook? 15. www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/us/school-shootings-cnn-number/ You start to do research......gang violence, suicides, accidental discharges, police chases.....

CalTexHawk spiral arm
06/11/14 7:32 pm

While I can't disparage CNN's attempt to provide more info regarding 15 of the incidents, why stop there? Some more detail regarding the 59 "other" incidents would be nice.

CalTexHawk spiral arm
06/11/14 7:34 pm

That is a criticism of the Everytown.org post as well. The lack of detail is stunning which, from my perspective, usually indicates an attempt to "obfuscate".

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
06/11/14 8:05 pm

If you Google it, other sites have details on the other 59 incidents. Accidental discharges, suicides, police chases, gang violence. Definite concerns, but not the same as a jackass shooting up an elementary school.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
06/12/14 8:08 am

Good article in today's Oregonian - www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/06/how_many_school_shooting_incid.html#incart_maj-story-1 42 dead and 38 wounded in firearm incidents related to schools/colleges since Sandy Hook.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
06/12/14 8:09 am

Even including the suicide deaths, you have far greater odds of dying in a car accident on the way to or from school than you do dying from a shooting on campus.

suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/12/14 8:23 am

The key term there is "accident". Intent powered by capability (i.e., guns) is a powerful combination.