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Praetorianus October 20th, 2013 1:32am

Hypothetical: in 2018, China declares war upon the US. There is no draft but an urgent call for all people 18-60 to enlist. You would...

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arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/20/13 7:35 am

China has a surplus of men in that range (because of one child policy) and would have no problem at all drafting whoever the hell they want. They would absolutely crush the US with sheer numbers. Every American soldier would be dead or in prison getting tortured. I'd stay out if it, maybe move away.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/19/13 8:25 pm

I would already be serving. Or so I plan.

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USNavyVet Sonar Man STG2
10/19/13 7:55 pm

No worry the draft would be brought back!

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2katz I live in Nebraska
10/19/13 7:53 pm

I'm over 60 but I'd find some way to be useful.

MisterE Conservistan
10/19/13 7:44 pm

I don't like living under the authority of The United States of America, but I have a feeling I would dislike living under the authority of the People's Republic of China even more. I don't want to live anywhere else either.

MisterE Conservistan
10/19/13 7:49 pm

And I think we have a big chance of achieving maximum freedom in this land one day. That is worth fighting for.

Axl752 NY
10/19/13 7:44 pm

The only way im enlisting is if China is invading, then id absolutely enlist.

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Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
10/19/13 7:40 pm

That would not happen, at least for the foreseeable future. We are to economically dependent. Even if they did invade, with our civilian guns (we have 88 guns for every 100 men, women, and children) they would have a hard time taking us.

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DunkinFrunk Austin area, Texas
10/19/13 7:36 pm

I would if I had too, but I highly doubt I would even be asked after giving 22 years.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:57 pm

Your number is still on the rosters friend.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 7:36 pm

76% of Americans won't defend their country when attacked?
I start to feel uneasy.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:38 pm

76% are sick of the bullshît or don't think its worth defending.

violence Pretty hate machine
10/19/13 7:39 pm

It's not *my* country. It's a place I happen to have been born.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:44 pm

Holy shît violence said something I'd say!

Screen shot!!!

Anarchy101 NAP
10/19/13 7:33 pm

No. I would rather not get involved in two governments deciding that the best way to solve their problems is to kill people. Disgusts the crap out of me.

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shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/19/13 7:28 pm

I wouldn't even support the war - let alone enlist

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 7:30 pm

It is assumed China started it, we are defending.

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/19/13 7:30 pm

I don't care - I don't support war

knetzere Illinois
10/19/13 7:32 pm

It's red dawn style and you don't have a choice to support it because it's here in your backyard. Now what

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:39 pm

There's already war in America in your backyard. That's the humorous part.

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/19/13 7:49 pm

This scenario has gotten totally crazy

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:22 pm

I've done my tour. If there's an invasion on the homeland I'd likely join up with a militia or other group but not likely to re-enlist.

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tenletters New York
10/19/13 7:12 pm

I'm not 18 but I'd find some other way to help

tenletters New York
10/19/13 7:17 pm

Oh, 2018. Oops. I'm pretty able physically, but I feel like I'd be more useful as a medic or as an engineer. But if I was truly needed in combat, I think I'd be in.

rons Thanks America
10/19/13 7:10 pm

What a bunch of wimps. egg roll anyone?

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MisterE Conservistan
10/19/13 7:19 pm

我不说英语。

icytoes the tepid north
10/19/13 7:10 pm

If there was some kind of administrative work I could help with, sure. You wouldn't want to depend on me for your physical safety though.

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elizabennet88
10/19/13 7:43 pm

Right there with you, icytoes! I panic and cry when I get near firearms and scary people, but I would be proud to help any other way that I can.

comppete Las Vegas
10/19/13 7:07 pm

Yes I would, sore knees and all.

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DrCarpenter Ann Arbor
10/19/13 7:04 pm

I would be of no help... I'd head down to Canada.

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/19/13 7:03 pm

I enlisted after 9/11 and was badly injured in Basic. I couldn't re-enlist.

susanr Colorado
10/19/13 7:00 pm

I'm exempt based on your age criteria. Maybe there's something else I can do to be of service.

susanr Colorado
10/19/13 7:04 pm

I was hoping there would be a need for someone to remove mouse brains from their skulls intact (one of my finer skills), but I guess your idea is far more practical.

My grandmother & her friends would "roll bandages" during WWII. I don't even

susanr Colorado
10/19/13 7:04 pm

know what that meant. Should have asked her when I had a chance.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/19/13 6:47 pm

China would destroy the federal government economically before the first shot was fired. There's no need for an armed conflict.

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tenletters New York
10/19/13 7:13 pm

By the crazy amount of money we owe them

Liberty 4,032,064
10/19/13 7:15 pm

Immediately by either replacing the dollar as the world reserve currency or by selling off its federal debt.
Long term by choking off trade with the states.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:23 pm

Americans don't accept that China owns their asses

MisterE Conservistan
10/19/13 7:23 pm

China doesn't even own that much of our debt. We also own some of there debt.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:25 pm

The Chinese governments holds about 8%, perhaps a bit more by now of the US government's notes.

I think that's fairly significant.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/19/13 7:26 pm

I want specifics. Not, "They bought a ton of debt." What, specifically, would they do?

Liberty 4,032,064
10/19/13 7:28 pm

China owns a little over $1.5 trillion of the federal governmenr's debt. The treasury has to sell a little over $4 trillion each year.
The market distortion caused by a 40% supply increase would destroy the federal government almost overnight.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 6:36 pm

Anyone who doesn't should leave now

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Cole12 ...
10/19/13 6:38 pm

I'm sorry, but my morals would prevent me from ever participating in a war.

Mattwall1
10/19/13 6:41 pm

I'd enlist. I'm not sure id be accepted but I'd enlist

Skarface Banned
10/19/13 6:44 pm

You'll have to excuse me if I'm not willing to risk my life for a country that hasn't done a single thing for me.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 6:45 pm

Skarface. The fact that you can insult this country proves it has done something for you.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 6:57 pm

@matt: what makes you think you wouldn't pass?

Mattwall1
10/19/13 6:59 pm

Flat feet. And due to the fact I have Duane's syndrome (it's so mild I don't even notice it) I can't turn my right eye to the right.

Skarface Banned
10/19/13 6:59 pm

Yeah, because it's so rare to find a country that guarantees free speech these days.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:01 pm

Remember which country founded the idea of free speech

Skarface Banned
10/19/13 7:03 pm

Who, Greece? I'll sign up for the Greek military, if it's that important to you.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:07 pm

The Greeks did not found freedom of speech look at Socrates

MisterE Conservistan
10/19/13 7:08 pm

Rights are not given by the state.

Kris Humidity Central
10/19/13 7:12 pm

@mattwall1
In a time of war when there is such a call to enlist, the standards will be dropped and those who would be disqualified in peacetime for minor things would likely be able to get in in war if they applied.

Skarface Banned
10/19/13 7:16 pm

First of all, nobody "founded" freedom of speech. Second of all, your entire argument is based around the idea that freedom of speech didn't exist until the founding of the US, which is totally false.

Mattwall1
10/19/13 7:16 pm

Even then I could still see myself ending up as 4F

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:17 pm

No my argument is that this country was the first to think humans had rights. So before you say this country has done nothing for you. Your wrong

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:23 pm

LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!

Ridiculous. MJS, are you a vet already by chance?

Skarface Banned
10/19/13 7:23 pm

I refer you to Athens once again.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:25 pm

No I'm not rebel. I am related to many Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq vets and skarface I see you did not look up Socrates

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:26 pm

MJ, I think you're demand that everyone pick up a flag and a gun or "get the hell out" is a bit premature in that case.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:30 pm

No it's the im running away to another nation because this one has done nothing for me that gets me I actually respect Cole12s answer

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:31 pm

What if someone disagreed with the war or this government? What if DC provoked it, as unfathomable as that might be?

Skarface Banned
10/19/13 7:32 pm

You're right, I'm a pussy because I'm not willing to die fighting the Chinese.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:32 pm

Then they do what John Kerry did. He still fought for it, when he got back he made his voice heard and did something about it

violence Pretty hate machine
10/19/13 7:32 pm

See. "If you don't like it then leave" conservative.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:34 pm

Skarface you just lost this argument. I never called you a coward I called you unpatriotic and wrong. You step on a flag when you clearly don't know what that flag has done for you

Skarface Banned
10/19/13 7:35 pm

I don't understand why they would have a call for enlistment in the first place. America's military is massive, and it could easily kick China's tits in without any new recruits.

Skarface Banned
10/19/13 7:36 pm

How did I lose the argument? Also, there isn't a flag in the world that has done a single thing for me.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:36 pm

MJ, "the flag" doesn't represent what you think it does. It's imperialism and debt. It's authoritarian and police state thuggery. It's tax and control, divide and conquer.

The US is not some bastion of freedom anymore.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:37 pm

Patriotism is questioning and keeping the government in check not saying "how high?"

In the 1700's there were patriots and loyalists. The names haven't changed and neither have the attitudes.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:38 pm

That's why. Skarface learn history. If you would rather be ruled by a king or a dictator like Most nations prior to the US go ahead. Until you learn what this nation has done for you you can to argue here

Mattwall1
10/19/13 7:38 pm

It's china. They're massive have a growing navy and Air Force and try follow sun tzu to the letter

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:39 pm

Rebel that's not his argument at all. His argument is that the US has never done anything at any point in any time to ever affect him. If your going to join in please read his argument

Skarface Banned
10/19/13 7:40 pm

MJ, quit using the past as an argument. Focus on what's happening right now, in 2013. Are we the best nation on Earth? No. Are we the most successful nation on Earth? No. Are we the most free nation on Earth? Not by a long shot.

violence Pretty hate machine
10/19/13 7:40 pm

MJ, you've got so much growing up to do.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:40 pm

One ruler or many rulers the result is strikingly similar. The USA is the least smelly bowl of shît in some ways.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:41 pm

This is why we can't talk! It isn't a past argument. You say this nation has never done anything for you. You are wrong. Learn history and you will see what it did for you. But you'll say quit using that argument because I am right

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:41 pm

I did read it and I happen to agree

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:42 pm

Should I paste contact info for the nearest recruiter then?

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/19/13 8:31 pm

@mattwall1 flat feet shouldn't be an issue unless it causes you to roll your ankle consistently. Duane's Syndrome… Meh. I don't know enough about it even after having read the Wikipedia article the other day to say.

Skarface Banned
10/19/13 6:36 pm

Fück that noise, I'm going straight to Europe.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 6:37 pm

Given the umlaut, it will be Switzerland ;)

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:43 pm

I'll be in Scotland

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:58 pm

Ever spoken with a 22 yr old co ed from Edinburgh? Makes me flustered just thinking about it.

skinner Jersey City
10/19/13 6:51 pm

Why would you abandon everyone you know and love in their time of need?

MisterE Conservistan
10/19/13 7:26 pm

Canada would be a likely staging area for the Chinese military in the event of armed conflict.

Kris Humidity Central
10/19/13 6:34 pm

Without second though.

They wouldn't be so strict then either on the requirements, blur the lines a bit.

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Kris Humidity Central
10/19/13 6:35 pm

Oh. 2018, I'd already be in. So I'd reenlist.

skinner Jersey City
10/19/13 6:34 pm

My country would actually need me. I would be a coward not to sign up. I would be 20 years old and more than ready to serve.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 6:37 pm

^^this^^ I love your reply and hope more of the young generation think like that.

MJSeals Esq.
10/19/13 7:14 pm

Amen! I'll fight along side you

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:42 pm

They're still allowing enlistments today boys.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/19/13 7:43 pm

It's not cowardice to have a mind.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 6:33 pm

Rally to the flag in a heartbeat :)

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