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clmcd42 February 15th, 2019 3:40pm

Do you believe in the Constitution or do you support Trump's plan to declare a national emergency to bypass Congress's power over the Treasury?

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lj74
02/15/19 1:16 pm

Lol!!! You give a “slightly” faulty premise mate. It is constitutional to declare a national emergency.

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ozzy
02/15/19 12:15 pm

Except that the national emergency IS constitutional

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Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 9:51 am

Amusing .....congress within its limited power authorized the Executive to do just that .....your interpretation and the Constitution are definitely different.....

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Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 8:51 am

Liberals
We believe in the constitution! You can't build that wall.
Also liberals
Yeah you don't NEED that gun, so we will ban it. Also, no one NEEDS to spew hate speech, so we will ban it. Also, that right to life, invalid and we will kill babies by state funding. That 6th amendment, yeah throw that out too. You're guilty till proven innocent if you're not a liberal. The 9th amendment......... What's that?

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clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 8:56 am

Whataboutism. Completely irrelevant to the point at hand

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 9:01 am

Ah yes, liberals hate it when I point out their outrageous talking point for being what it is, outrageous.

You're trying to use the constitution that liberals spit on at every chance they get to pull at the strings of people who actually do believe in what it says. It's snake like. The best thing about this is you know I'm right. That's why you don't even attempt to refute it.

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 9:24 am

No I don't attempt to refute it because it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand and I don't even believe in half the stuff you said. How about you actually respond to the question at hand? Do you support the Constitution or do you support a President's power to unilaterally allocate funds to whatever they want?

SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
02/15/19 9:25 am

Answer me this: Why didn’t Trump get his wall when the Republicans controlled the House? He had his chance, so now just stop the whining.

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 9:26 am

That's not how it works man. You actually address what I've said first. You don't get to shrug off what I said and then ask me a question.

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 9:30 am

You're in MY poll question Radon, which you have apparently decided not to respond to. You don't get to tell me what to talk about. If you don't have anything to contribute, then I think you and I are done here.

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 9:31 am

Two reasons, Super.
First, you need 60 votes to pass spending in the senate. They had 51.
Second, Paul Ryan is a bastard. I'm so glad my state got rid of his ass.

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 9:31 am

It's your poll. But it's MY comment thread. I started it. You didn't have to respond at all.

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 9:38 am

You both know what I'm saying is accurate.

SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
02/15/19 9:45 am

Yes, it’s called Pluralistic Democracy. If you can’t strike a deal, then just deal with it.

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 9:48 am

You guys are just seething at the idea that Trump might actually help America. It's really something.

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 11:45 am

So I’m confused. Since trump has passed more restrictions on guns than Obama did, does that make him a liberal?

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 11:49 am

Weak bait.

He is a liberal you dope. He always was. He is literally the most liberal republican president, maybe ever. That's why I don't think leftists think for themselves in any manner. He's the best hope for a republican pres leftists could hope for. Yet they hate him. He's basically a slightly more center clinton.

The reason I like him is because he gets shit done.

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 11:51 am

You should probably call you homies dopes then too, because most of them feel that he’s one of the most conservative Presidents ever.

Hell a lot of them think he’s a Christian too and just don’t understand that he’s just pandering.

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 11:55 am

I don't have homies who think that. I also never hear people touting his conservative legislation, because there isn't any. How could people make the claim without any proof? I never see people on here making that claim that he's ultra conservative. The only reason he could be considered conservative these days is because lefties have gone absolutely wacko in the past 10 years. In that sense, he is conservative I guess. Weak ass though

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 12:16 pm

Well, at least we all agree that he’s a weak ass.

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 12:19 pm

See that's where we actually disagree. He makes you people go crazy. Literally obsessed with him. Everything is Trump Trump Trump. He consumes your lives with hate. If he's able to do that, he's clearly kicking ass. It was when everyone went against him that I knew he was an actual man. So he had my vote. He's proving to be doing good, because there are 209 different polls today of lefties losing their minds. And that's a good day.

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 12:23 pm

"I vOtE foR hIM BeCAuSe hE tRiGgERs THe LIbs"

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 12:24 pm

Excellent.


Please, keep responding.

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 12:25 pm

Who are you people?

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 12:28 pm

Media, leftists, politicians, lobbyists, essentially everyone who wants to force their "values" on me.

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 12:32 pm

Hmm....I’m none of those.

Although I do find it ironic you’re ok with trump forcing a wall on everyone, yet you don’t want anything forced on you....🤔

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 12:37 pm

"Forcing a wall on everyone"


Literally the reason he was elected.
Won't even effect you except positively with less crime and drugs.
Already has been suggested by the very same people opposing it.
Already has been voted on before.
Already has sections built by previous congress'.
Has been asked for since the 90's.

Yeah, that's some real force.

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 12:56 pm

Yes everyone is for border security, not the type of wall he’s forcing on us.

It will affect all of us because we are going to pay for it.

He was elected on the premise that Mexico would pay for the wall, even though everyone except his supporters knew was bullshit. Not sure why they didn’t. Hell, a lot of them still think Mexico will.

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 12:58 pm

Look at our budget sometime. Do you know how much we give in foreign aid alone? Way way way more than this puny amount he wants to spend on US. That's a weak argument. All of a sudden, spending and deficits are a big issue. Weird how that comes in and out of interest.

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 12:59 pm

"spend on US"

The wall does nothing for regular people. If you were making that argument in favor of an infrastructure bill, I would definitely agree with you. But you're not.

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 1:02 pm

This wall will be the single greatest piece of infrastructure since the interstate system. We spend, by the WSJs own admission, 116 billion dollars a year on illegal immigrants. From healthcare to courts, law enforcement and all we need to do these days in our neutered immigration system. The wall is necessary.

lj74
02/15/19 1:18 pm

Clmd42, your question is irrelevant and nonsensical

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 1:22 pm

Radon, you think building a giant and costly wall will help improve our infrastructure? Last I checked, we get a D+ from American Society of Civil Engineers. I don't think that will go up by pouring money into a wall.

Radon Parts Unknown
02/15/19 1:26 pm

Our yearly expenditures will, by 116 billion. Less illegals will decrease road traffic. Thus, roads last longer.

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 2:13 pm

I don’t agree with a lot of the foreign aid we give. I think that money would be better spent here. I also think that the money for the wall would be better spent on vets that everyone seems to care about until money for the wall or foreign aid comes into play. I think it’s pretty shitty these people fight for us and get completely fucked and we’re arguing over a stupid wall that in reality isn’t going to do a whole lot since most illegals don’t walk across the border. They overstay their visas. Yet instead of trying to fix the actual problem we are fixated on a loosely fitted bandaid.

That’s my wall issue.

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 8:47 am

Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution:

"No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time."

Where are all the "Constitutionalists" to object to this clear case of presidential overreach?

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MrsCrayonWax
02/15/19 9:42 am

I’m pro constitution and if he’s violated it, the others who claim to be should also be speaking out against this.

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 9:47 am

In my opinion, a national emergency declaration is a violation of the clause of the Constitution I've cited above. Congress is supposed to be the branch that allocates where money can be spent. This has been inconvenient for both liberals and conservatives in the past, and I think this sets the precedent that a president can declare a national emergency for whatever pet issue they feel like with very little justification.

MrsCrayonWax
02/15/19 9:52 am

I agree. I’ve spoken out on numerous dangerous roads presidents have attempted to go down based on these silly re-election attempts yet no one listens. Recently, Alabama violated 1a with placing the Ten Commandments in schools and government buildings for the express reason of pushing religion. And the evangelical conservatives supported it.

MrsCrayonWax
02/15/19 9:52 am

Not a presidential issue but a violation of the constitution none the less.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 9:54 am

Operative word, "opinion".....and reality two entirely different things.....

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 9:55 am

So what's your take on it, Sentinel?

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 9:57 am

Read your comment up above. So what exactly do you think the criteria for declaring a national emergency should be?

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 10:08 am

We The People elected the Executive to do those things within the laws established and authority granted by the Constitution .....if you wish to debate tv talking points or wish to discuss Article II Authority and power vested to the Executive?.....again perception or facts.....

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 10:24 am

I currently exist in El Paso Texas, you know the "border town".....care to tell me the situation here?.....

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 10:37 am

Sentinel, what criteria do you think should be used to determine what is or isn't a national emergency?

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 10:42 am

"But the region's rate of violent crime is lower than the national average and the rate of property crime is significantly lower."

realestate.usnews.com/places/texas/el-paso/crime

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 10:45 am

The criteria that those who have complete situational awareness, discern the live data and determine solutions that would apply and action, not denials and kick the can....

You have no idea about any border situations, immediate family is Border Patrol, you live in Texas where?.....

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 10:51 am

I'm from the DFW area.

So your criteria is basically "the president can just do it if he feels like" then? How will you feel about that the next time a Democrat is in power?

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 10:58 am

You understand what "situational awareness and live data" is..... not blind emotion based upon speculation and conjecture?.....kinda like you posting a link to tell me about the very town I live in......amazing!.....

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 11:02 am

Sentinel, that sounds like an arbitrary standard that you would use to declare anyone you agree with "situationally aware" and the opposite for anyone you disagree with. Your home city has a crime rate lower than the national average, so I don't really want to hear it.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 11:08 am

Of course not, truth and facts you refuse to acknowledge, my immediate family is Border Patrol care to debate facts with him?.....

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 11:17 am

The true issue is your perception.....congress when authorizing the Executive the power to call National Emergecy, "Did" not define "National Emergency" and left that to the discretion the Executive.....that is not arbitrary, that is the power vested in the Executive by Law.....

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 11:48 am

So in reading this, sentinel, why are you refusing to address any of the facts that are presented to you and you’re basically saying the same thing over and over?

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 12:19 pm

Sentinel, so what you are basically saying is that Congress yielded the power of the purse to the president when they created laws allowing for national emergencies. I do not think that was their intent, and the Constitution is rather clear that Congress is the one who has power over the purse.

Regardless, if this is held up in court, then there'll be hell to pay for conservatives the next time there's a Democrat in office. Is that really something you want to subject yourself to?

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 12:32 pm

If it was not then it would have been included in the law, congress felt it was not so hence delegating it to the discreation of the Executive.....

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 1:30 pm

You forget the money has already been given to those respective apartments, the Executive can rearrange money usage for other endeavors, kinda like when demon-rats stripped a Veterans Bill for Housing and stuck obummercare into it and claimed passage.....

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 1:33 pm

What facts voc.....I live in El Paso and certainly have Border Patrol in my immediate family , what facts can you present, when I have actual life right now experience and front line truth!?.....

clmcd42 Texas
02/15/19 1:57 pm

No, the executive cannot reallocate on a whim. Blatantly wrong and unconstitutional.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 2:05 pm

Title 50 U.S. Code.....again, you have no idea what "unconstitutional " is.....

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 2:07 pm

The fact that El Paso actually has low crime rates comparatively.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 2:14 pm

After Vietnam and Germany flying into Ft.Bliss then buying a home and living here I know what it was like in the barrios , I currently reside in the VNE....the Central and Sugundo barrios were worse, tell me what history do you know about El Paso and how many times have you lived here?......

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 2:17 pm

So are you saying that the crime rates are much higher?

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 2:24 pm

I am saying that since my return to El Paso, it still suffers negatively from illegal aliens, the gang bangers are spread out and with the greater visualization on illegal entries and crime, of course it will demonstrate a decline, however, if that focus is lifted, it is business as usual.....

voc I am...what I am
02/15/19 2:27 pm

So are you saying crime rates are much higher?

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 3:27 pm

I will tell you this voc.....the crime rate wentb down when Robert Francis O'Rourke left local gov in El Paso!.....LOL!.....