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mudkip17 June 4th, 2018 3:06pm

So now that religion can be used to legally discriminate, should followers of the nation of Islam be allowed to kick white people out of their stores?

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Think Lovin Life
06/04/18 4:37 pm

Mud ... nobody is surprised that you don’t understand the ruling today had everything to do with militant deviants using the corrupt government to take away the religious liberty of a business man.

No one can or should be compelled to engage in commerce against their will.

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ctskapski x
06/04/18 3:32 pm

Yes.
Owners of private companies should be able to make poor decisions.

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RedElephant
06/04/18 2:36 pm

Private Businesses have the right to refuse anybody it’s private not government.

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mudkip17 United States of Texas
06/04/18 3:03 pm

Private buisness who's primary purpose is public accommodation still have to uphold the equal protection law..

mark4
06/05/18 4:04 am

...which should be repealed because it tramples on our freedoms.

DGroot America
06/04/18 1:29 pm

You obviously have no understanding of the merits of this case..

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fireguy5454 Indiana
06/04/18 1:07 pm

But a fairer interpretation of the actual ruling would be to ask if a Nation of Islam tailor should be required to make robes for the KKK. No he should not.

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fireguy5454 Indiana
06/04/18 12:59 pm

And if thats a successful business model, then they will thrive. If not, then economics will resolve the situation.

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mark4
06/04/18 12:28 pm

After reading all the below, let me add,

FREEDOM!

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
06/04/18 11:02 am

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commonsense America isnt racist
06/04/18 11:01 am

The Nation of Islam isn’t Islam. They are different.
The Nation of Islam was created and is for American blacks. And they have different beliefs. Most Muslims do not recognize the Nation of Islam as real Muslims.

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rons WOKE is sick
06/04/18 10:15 am

What do they sell? Hate whitey and jew stuff?

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SticksandStones Stop fearmongering
06/04/18 9:39 am

Yes. If someone wants to kick me out of their private store for any reason, they should be able to. Whether it's because I'm white, my nose is too big, I'm too tall, whatever.

And besides, I wouldn't want to receive service from someone who doesn't want to give it to me. That will most likely result in a below average product because generally, when you force someone to do something, they don't usually try very hard to ensure you're satisfied.

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proudGA New Jersey
06/04/18 10:44 am

Yeah we did that once. It was called Jim Crow and a lot of people didn’t like it.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
06/04/18 10:59 am

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proudGA New Jersey
06/04/18 11:02 am

That’s actually not necessarily true. Especially things like real estate. When real estate companies find loop holes in the fair housing act they immediately deny certain groups housing and this happens a lot. It makes it really hard to find affordable housing if you are a minority

SticksandStones Stop fearmongering
06/04/18 12:07 pm

Jim Crow was state mandated and occurred in the public sector. This is the private sector we're talking about.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
06/04/18 12:16 pm

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proudGA New Jersey
06/04/18 1:15 pm

Yeah you can discriminate against criminals. And Jim Crow was nearly entirely private sector. The lunch counter that said whites only wasn’t public owned.

SticksandStones Stop fearmongering
06/04/18 1:20 pm

"In 1954 the Supreme Court reversed Plessy in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka. It declared segregation in public schools unconstitutional, and, by extension, that ruling was applied to other public facilities. In the years following, subsequent decisions struck down similar kinds of Jim Crow legislation"

proudGA New Jersey
06/04/18 1:33 pm

Of course but the idea that the public and private sector didn’t require forced integration is oblivious. And the idea that segregation in either wasn’t harmful is also oblivious

SticksandStones Stop fearmongering
06/04/18 5:08 pm

Who said any of that?

Explain to me how the government not forcing private businesses to provide services is equivalent to the government forcing segregation?

proudGA New Jersey
06/04/18 6:07 pm

Government didn’t force segregation in the private sector. They allowed for it.

SticksandStones Stop fearmongering
06/04/18 6:17 pm

They forced it in the public sector. And despite what you said before, everywhere I looked, that's what defined Jim Crow laws.

proudGA New Jersey
06/04/18 6:19 pm

Jim Crow wasn’t just the laws. It was social rules. There was no law that said a black man couldn’t use the back bathroom at my local bar. But they couldn’t.

SticksandStones Stop fearmongering
06/04/18 6:42 pm

And now, most people are sensible enough to not do things like that. But do you believe that the government should force people not employed by them to provide services to whomever they deem worthy? What part of the bill of rights is that from?

proudGA New Jersey
06/04/18 7:08 pm

Sure I think there should be protected classes. And I think if you look at things like the fair housing act we already have them.

CMChristian gone
06/04/18 9:20 am

"The nation of Islam" 😔

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rons WOKE is sick
06/04/18 10:16 am

You can get your “Kill a Jew” tee shirt there.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
06/04/18 10:19 am

I think y'all are confusing Islam with the nation of Islam.

rons WOKE is sick
06/04/18 10:27 am

No, the question said Nation of Islam. Crazy Louie runs that thing.

Xemanis Lawful Good
06/04/18 9:02 am

Seems like you grasp the concept.

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PhxLibertarian Republic of Dave
06/04/18 8:53 am

That is a gross miscatagorazation of what happened. The shop owner will sell anyone ready made goods but declined a request for a specific custom item. This is reasonable. I can't go into a bbq joint and expect to be able to request a vegan meal.

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rons WOKE is sick
06/04/18 10:17 am

He refused to do the art work on the cake.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
06/04/18 10:20 am

Except it wasn't requesting something they don't have... It was requesting something that they do serve he just didn't want to give it to them

rons WOKE is sick
06/04/18 10:22 am

I thought he would sell a cake but not do any requested art work. He was noted for his decorations and art.

PhxLibertarian Republic of Dave
06/04/18 10:26 am

Not really. They don't serve same sex wedding cakes. It is up to the business owner to determine what products they sell. In this case the owner will do custom orders of some things but not others. Just as a restaurant may allow you to substitute some items but not others.

This is a normal part of business. If you ignore the fact that you and I think he is a dick for drawing the line where he did, you quickly realize every business draws a line somewhere, and it is approperate that they do.

And if you dislike how they do business you are welcome to shop elsewhere. If I lived in Colorado I wouldn't shop at his bakery.

PhxLibertarian Republic of Dave
06/04/18 10:28 am

Rons you are correct. He will sell a ready made generic product but wouldn't do custom work.

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
06/04/18 11:01 am

Per the Colorado Court of Appeals ruling, they had not discussed the cake’s design before they were turned down.

PhxLibertarian Republic of Dave
06/04/18 11:23 am

It was to be a wedding cake. I think that request alone is enough for a reasonable person to know it was a custom piece for a specific event. You are grasping at straws.

CMChristian gone
06/04/18 9:21 am

I know right? Delicious snack they are.

Xemanis Lawful Good
06/04/18 9:29 am

Maybe you should find a more modern insult that actually makes sense to use.

Xemanis Lawful Good
06/04/18 9:33 am

Most white people in the United States don't own slaves.

CMChristian gone
06/04/18 9:34 am

Especially with cheese am I right? Everyday I dig into the deliciousness that is cheese and crackers man.

SticksandStones Stop fearmongering
06/04/18 9:44 am

Aw, come on guys, it's adorable! Remember when "bourgeois" was the attempted insult of choice by these guys? At last months circle jerk they finally decided it was time for a change.

"What will really piss those inferior capitalist pigs off?" And this is the best they could come up with.

I'm sorry for coming off as rude, but everytime I see one of these guys use the word "cracker" I get a chuckle out of it. It's even better when I imagine them thinking that the word actually packs any sort of punch!

Xemanis Lawful Good
06/04/18 9:46 am

Same here, lol. It's even better when they show that they don't seem to know what it actually means.

CMChristian gone
06/04/18 9:46 am

I ain't the socialist here sticks, I just need my lunch 😁

Xemanis Lawful Good
06/04/18 9:47 am

Their insults only serve to make themselves into laughingstock.

Xemanis Lawful Good
06/04/18 9:47 am

*laughingstocks. Autocorrect is terrible.

rons WOKE is sick
06/04/18 10:18 am

They had a sale on “kill a Jew” tees!

JennaB Mother
06/04/18 8:14 am

"The ruling, written by Justice Anthony Kennedy, is not the wide-ranging ruling on religious liberty that some expected. It is tailored to the case at hand ..."

Ruling only applies to that specific legal.case

Constitutionist Southern Illinois
06/04/18 8:13 am

Nobody said they couldn't. They aren't forcing you to go to their store. The owner of a private business can refuse service to anybody for any reason.

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mudkip17 United States of Texas
06/04/18 8:19 am

No they can't lol

mudkip17 United States of Texas
06/04/18 8:22 am

While it is a private buisness, it's primary purpose is the accommodation of the public which means they have to abide by equal protection laws. Right to refuse service signs doesnt mean they can refuse service on the basis of race, color, religion, or national origin or arbitrary discrimination

TrueAmerican7 I Am Galt.
06/04/18 8:47 am

Yes they can lol. At least in my state. There is a law on the books.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
06/04/18 10:20 am

State laws don't overpower federal ones

rons WOKE is sick
06/04/18 10:21 am

I didn’t want that “Kill a Jew” tee shirt anyway.

CudOfCow Oregon
06/04/18 11:00 am

Rons, your joke isnt that funny even though you keep saying it...