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Shazam May 31st, 2018 8:48pm

Obama changed the trade policy with Iran without Congressional approval. Trump changed the trade policy with the EU, Mexico, China, and Canada without Congressional approval. Do you see a meaningful difference between these two actions?

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jlong105 Indiana
06/03/18 8:03 pm

No difference. Next president can change it back. That is why congressional review and legislation is important.

jlong105 Indiana
06/03/18 8:03 pm

If they work there won’t be a call to change.

ozzy
06/01/18 2:25 pm

Thanks for a fair question shaz. No diff

suppressedID suck it Kyle
05/31/18 9:49 pm

Other than Iran is NOT an ally and the others all ARE?!?

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MediaBlackout Carry on, Carry on.
05/31/18 7:39 pm

Hmm 🤔 it’s almost as if the presidents have too much power.

I do see a difference, but not a big one

lj74
05/31/18 2:53 pm

The President doesn’t need congressional approval to change trade policy.

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Shazam Scaramouche, OH
05/31/18 6:42 pm

Constitutionally..... Yes. He does.

lj74
05/31/18 6:44 pm

Not unless it’s a treaty

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
05/31/18 7:37 pm

Nope. The Constitution does not provide the POTUS any power to negotiate any trade agreements internationally. All of that is specifically assigned to the Congress.

lj74
05/31/18 7:46 pm

I think you need to get current on trade agreements and fast trade agreements and what Presidents have done to expand their authorities. Things like NAFTA can be negotiated by the President and needs ratification by Congress unless they make into an Accord. It is a prevarication of the laws but overcomes resistant Congresses so that we can move forward with our foreign affairs. Obama and Clinton were masters of this.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
05/31/18 7:49 pm

As I said before, Constitutionally the power is reserved for Congress. Amazing how few "consrituonalists" are around any more.

lj74
05/31/18 7:51 pm

Shaz: the President doesn’t need congressional authority if it’s not a treaty

lj74
05/31/18 7:52 pm

And playing the “constitutionalist” card is rich coming from someone like you.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
05/31/18 8:07 pm

IJ - I have advocated many times that the Constitution is an outline to be filled in via legislation. However, I have never argued that a power reserved for one branch should be handed over to another. Article 1, section 8 is crystal clear. This is not a Presidential power. It is a power granted Congress. Full. Stop.

Wino I need a drink
06/03/18 7:51 pm

“The Congress shall have Power To...regulate Commerce with foreign Nations....”

ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 3

DanielWebb
05/31/18 2:21 pm

Yes, in that Iran is much more of a military or terrorists threat than Mexico, Canada, or the EU. So for that reason, I would have liked to have had Congress be involved on the Iran deal.

That said, I’d support a constitutional amendment eliminate all US tariffs.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
05/31/18 2:38 pm

The funny thing is, the GOP reaffirmed Obama's power to deal as he saw fit with terrorist regimes. In my opinion both should require approval though.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
05/31/18 2:15 pm

Trump also changed trade policy with Iran without Congressional approval

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Shazam Scaramouche, OH
05/31/18 2:33 pm

True. Missed that.

NDAmerican Florida
05/31/18 2:08 pm

The President shouldn't have unilateral action to change the law. That includes tariff rates and sanctions. Only if Congress authorized them to do so would it be arguably within the bounds of the Constitution.

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mistah Happy Happy Joy Joy
05/31/18 1:53 pm

Well MY party did one of them so naturally it's ok. However, when the OTHER party does it it's very wrong!

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rons Thanks America
05/31/18 1:53 pm

I guess that part of their job as the executive officer of the country. I thought these departments work for the President.

rons Thanks America
05/31/18 1:54 pm

I guess that’s why the Obama deal with Iran was unsigned by any countries (?).

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
05/31/18 2:34 pm

RON - Stop trolling.

rons Thanks America
05/31/18 2:44 pm

Not trolling at all. I thought the Iran deal was an unsigned agreement. I know Iran didn’t sign it.
And who does control tariff?.

rons Thanks America
05/31/18 4:05 pm

Doesn’t the Treasury Dept control economic decision?

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
05/31/18 5:01 pm

The deal was signed by all. I posted links after each of your posts the last time you went down this path. Every post. All 6 or 7 of them.

rons Thanks America
05/31/18 5:34 pm

I just read in several places Iran never signed.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
05/31/18 6:42 pm

You read one news report that actually never said no one signed. It said the copy Pompeo was given was unsigned, and he asked for a signed copy.