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Well MY party did one of them so naturally it's ok. However, when the OTHER party does it it's very wrong!

Trump also changed trade policy with Iran without Congressional approval

As I said before, Constitutionally the power is reserved for Congress. Amazing how few "consrituonalists" are around any more.

IJ - I have advocated many times that the Constitution is an outline to be filled in via legislation. However, I have never argued that a power reserved for one branch should be handed over to another. Article 1, section 8 is crystal clear. This is not a Presidential power. It is a power granted Congress. Full. Stop.

The President doesn’t need congressional approval to change trade policy.

“The Congress shall have Power To...regulate Commerce with foreign Nations....”

ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 3

The President shouldn't have unilateral action to change the law. That includes tariff rates and sanctions. Only if Congress authorized them to do so would it be arguably within the bounds of the Constitution.

The deal was signed by all. I posted links after each of your posts the last time you went down this path. Every post. All 6 or 7 of them.

Other than Iran is NOT an ally and the others all ARE?!?

Nope. The Constitution does not provide the POTUS any power to negotiate any trade agreements internationally. All of that is specifically assigned to the Congress.

True. Missed that.

RON - Stop trolling.

The funny thing is, the GOP reaffirmed Obama's power to deal as he saw fit with terrorist regimes. In my opinion both should require approval though.

You read one news report that actually never said no one signed. It said the copy Pompeo was given was unsigned, and he asked for a signed copy.

Constitutionally..... Yes. He does.

Thank you

No difference. Next president can change it back. That is why congressional review and legislation is important.

If they work there won’t be a call to change.

Hmm 🤔 it’s almost as if the presidents have too much power.

I do see a difference, but not a big one

I think you need to get current on trade agreements and fast trade agreements and what Presidents have done to expand their authorities. Things like NAFTA can be negotiated by the President and needs ratification by Congress unless they make into an Accord. It is a prevarication of the laws but overcomes resistant Congresses so that we can move forward with our foreign affairs. Obama and Clinton were masters of this.

Doesn’t the Treasury Dept control economic decision?

Yes, in that Iran is much more of a military or terrorists threat than Mexico, Canada, or the EU. So for that reason, I would have liked to have had Congress be involved on the Iran deal.

That said, I’d support a constitutional amendment eliminate all US tariffs.

Shaz: the President doesn’t need congressional authority if it’s not a treaty

And playing the “constitutionalist” card is rich coming from someone like you.

Thanks for a fair question shaz. No diff

I just read in several places Iran never signed.

I guess that part of their job as the executive officer of the country. I thought these departments work for the President.

I guess that’s why the Obama deal with Iran was unsigned by any countries (?).

Not trolling at all. I thought the Iran deal was an unsigned agreement. I know Iran didn’t sign it.
And who does control tariff?.

Not unless it’s a treaty