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gluxford1 December 17th, 2016 1:21pm

The anti-Christian fascists at the ACLU have threatened to sue a small Indiana town unless they remove the cross that sits atop the town Christmas tree. Residents are now protesting to have the cross put back up. Who do you side with?

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JudicialJedi321 Pro Life, All Life
12/18/16 1:01 pm

I'd join the townspeople in their protest gladly. Christmas is suppose to celebrate the birth of Christ and if bigoted idiots don't like it they can stay home and ignore it. Stop forcing your views on other people commies!
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commonsense Pedo Joe
12/18/16 12:03 pm

The ACLU. Govt is secular.

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gluxford1 Arizona
12/21/16 10:11 pm

True. But our culture is Christian.

Diogenes Its Blursday Again
12/17/16 2:46 pm

The ACLU has outlived its usefulness.

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gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 7:26 pm

Not really.

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
12/17/16 11:18 am

First of all, keep biases out of questions. Secondly, the ACLU is not fascist, nor are they "anti-Christian."
Now, let's get the facts straight:
•A resident of the town is suing with the assistance of the ACLU, they didn't just scour the country for town governments violating the constitution.
•The tree is on government property, so religious symbols don't belong there.
•"Tolerant" Christians have constantly harassed the ACLU's client who caused this thing.

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
12/17/16 1:09 pm

Boo hoo
"Tolerant" liberals have been abusing Christians and law-abiding Americans for decades.

This is another case of one whiner ruining it for all. The townspeople overwhelmingly want it, so
tell him to fart in his own bathtub.

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
12/17/16 1:27 pm

Oh, please. Talk to me when Christians' freedoms are being curbed.

The fact of the matter is, no governmental entity can endorse any particular religion. That means no cross. For god's sake, you people would be losing your minds if this were the star and crescent.

gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 7:27 pm

Christian freedoms are being curbed, at least until January 20th.

jfish82285 Tennessean in Colorado
12/17/16 9:17 pm

Sure, keep your head in the sand.

PrinceOberyn Io Himeros
12/17/16 10:44 am

Crosses and religious symbolism stay off public land. How hard is this for people to get? ACLU has my support.

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gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 7:30 pm

How dare they express their freedom of religion in a overwhelmingly Christian culture! They must be silenced!

Nuclear Boaty McBoatface
12/17/16 9:17 pm

How do you rectify a majority rules argument with a play by the rules no majority argument when it comes to the electoral college?

Nuclear Boaty McBoatface
12/17/16 8:59 am

If the suit is being brought by another townsfolk then you are framing this in the wrong light (surprise).

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gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 7:33 pm

So one person should be able to deny everyone in the town the right to freely express their religion. Congratulations, you just lost the right to complain about banning burqas without bring hypocritical.

Nuclear Boaty McBoatface
12/17/16 9:15 pm

Lol what?

No, you're framing it as the ACLU against the town when that's not the case.

gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 11:08 pm

Oh, my bad. It's the ACLU and one other person against the rest of the town. Better?

brentwho Home
12/17/16 8:39 am

Pretty poor news writing,
All it says is the ACLU is partnered with one of the town's residents, I didn't see anything that outlined why the suit was being brought

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ProudCentrist Chicago, Illinois
12/17/16 8:38 am

I say the town people, because they're probably paying for that tree and the cross.

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bluerum29 optimistic idealist
12/17/16 8:36 am

It's their town, they can if they want

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deadlybeth Oklahoma
12/17/16 8:27 am

Christmas is a Christian holiday... this is madness

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PrinceOberyn Io Himeros
12/17/16 10:45 am

Christmas is a pagan holiday with Christian symbolism and stories slapped on the cover. It's the Trump Tower/Steaks/Books of holidays.

gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 7:29 pm

It has been a Christian holiday for several centuries now. Hence the word "Christ" in Christmas.

gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 7:29 pm

What century are you living in?

PrinceOberyn Io Himeros
12/18/16 1:20 am

21st century where the majority of holidays have lost their religious meaning in favor of ruthless, heartless, and throbbing consumerism. Btw changing the origin story doesn't make it Christian if you ripoff the pagan celebration practices, too.

PrinceOberyn Io Himeros
12/18/16 1:24 am

The only thing Christian about Christmas is the name and the backstory. Everything else? Trees, Gift-giving, wreaths, joy, mistletoe, mirth and dinners...all stolen from the pagan Yule and Saturnalia.

PrinceOberyn Io Himeros
12/18/16 1:29 am

You wanna know how you get Santa Claus? Take 40% Saint Nicholas and fuse it with 50% Odin, throw in 10% nature deity for father Christmas, and there he is!

Luftwaffe N
12/17/16 8:26 am

The ACLU isn't fascist, it's a predominantly Jewish organization

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Injectable Mojave Mo Problems
12/17/16 8:25 am

Time to get the government out of Christmas trees. Privatize the crosses, location and funding, and there's no problem.

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political Georgia
12/17/16 7:44 am

And people claim that religious expression isn't violated?

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Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
12/17/16 7:17 am

I'm not even Christian (Wiccan in fact) and I recognize the people should have their cross if that's what they want. It's not hurting anybody and it makes sense if it's a mostly Christian town.

It would be different if they were harassing others but I'll assume that's not the case. As long as they're not trying to stuff their beliefs down my throat or harass me for mine I see no issue, and just having a cross on top of a tree does neither of those.

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ItsAMeABree probably at a piano
12/17/16 7:06 am

I'm not religious, but a cross on a tree isn't up hurting anybody, why bother taking it down and pissing people off for no reason?

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ItsAMeABree probably at a piano
12/17/16 7:07 am

The word up shouldn't be there.
Also, *píssing. Grow a pair SOH

DawnDanes New Jersey
12/17/16 6:51 am

Since when is a cross put on top of the Christmas tree? Is there something wrong with the star or angel usually used? ACLU is right on this.

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gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 6:55 am

You're right, the government and leftist organizations like the ACLU should be allowed to tell towns and their residents what they can and can't put on their Christmas trees. Police states are so progressive!

gow488 Wisconsin
12/17/16 6:45 am

The ACLU. If it's public property then religious symbols don't belong there.

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gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 6:49 am

Yes, how dare the townspeople express their freedom of religion! They must be censored!

gow488 Wisconsin
12/17/16 6:59 am

Nobody is saying they can't practice there religion. The fact is we live in a secular country and anyone can be any religion but the government can't go around promoting certain religions. The government can't put a menorah on public property as much as they can't put a cross on public property. If you want to put a cross on a tree then do it on your own tree.

gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 7:03 am

Our government is secular but our culture is Christian. 75% of America identifies as Christian. Who exactly are you offending? This tree isn't even inside a government building, so your argument is moot. It's also concerning that you are advocating for a police state where leftists organizations like the ACLU can tell people what they can and can't put on their Christmas trees.

gow488 Wisconsin
12/17/16 7:10 am

Didn't mean to post that.

gow488 Wisconsin
12/17/16 7:15 am

Seriously? I'm arguing for a police state because I say the government should remain secular. If the same town government was putting up Islamic symbols over town I'm sure that you would oppose it. And like I said you can put whatever you want on your own tree.

gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 7:17 am

The tree is not in a government building. You are arguing for a police state when you say that the ACLU should get to decide what towns and the people in them can and can't put on their Christmas trees.

gow488 Wisconsin
12/17/16 7:24 am

It's still on government property. I'm not sure why the fact that it's outside and not inside makes such a big difference to you. And like I've been saying you can put whatever you want on your own tree as long as it's not on public property.

gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 7:27 am

Christmas trees in town squares have been a tradition in America for centuries. Nobody has had a problem with it until recently. Also, I see you're still advocating for a police state where the ACLU gets to decide what you can and can't put on your Christmas tree.

Luftwaffe N
12/17/16 8:24 am

Lol, the government does put up Menorahs on public property

GlockMan1 Alabama
12/17/16 6:43 am

The ACLU are bullies.

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gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 6:28 am

According to the ACLU, freedom of religion doesn't apply to Christians. I side with the residents of Knightsville, Indiana.

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gluxford1 Arizona
12/17/16 6:30 am

Correction: the town is called Knightstown, Indiana.

OrkieDorkie this Purrssy grabs back
12/17/16 6:26 am

If they're not hurting anybody they should be able to put up anything they want.

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