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ndull December 10th, 2015 5:31pm

Is there truly a difference between socialism and fascism?

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Makeishura
12/10/15 4:33 pm

Please read up on some basic political theory.

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ndull Minnesota
12/10/15 4:35 pm

Well economically, at least, socialism and fascism are very similar. Take a look at what wvamerican said below

Makeishura
12/10/15 4:39 pm

No, not at all lmao.

ndull Minnesota
12/10/15 4:41 pm

Yes.. Haha, they're both economic nationalist ideologies: nationalizing Industries, limited(if any) private sector, high tariffs which attacks Free Trade and primary focus is on the state.

Makeishura
12/10/15 7:44 pm

Holy shit, please just take 5 minutes and read the socialism wikipedia page.

You're saying that collectivised means of production+no markets is exactly the same thing as fascist capitalism.

ndull Minnesota
12/10/15 10:02 pm

Well I have never heard of a fascist capitalist form of government. Because they don't exist. Fascism entails nationalizing all businesses, increasing tariffs on imports and crushing the private sector.

Makeishura
12/10/15 10:24 pm

Capitalism isn't some narrow thing. Private property+private means of production=capitalism in this context.

ndull Minnesota
12/10/15 10:25 pm

Fascists control the means of production.. I don't know why you disagree with that

Makeishura
12/10/15 10:46 pm

Control=\=collectivisation my dude.

Makeishura
12/10/15 4:32 pm

LMAO
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NDAmerican WV Escapee
12/10/15 11:38 am

They're both central planners and both are collectivists. The only difference is that one favors private production so long as it's for the state while the other is public production.

ndull Minnesota
12/10/15 11:39 am

But the production, regardless, is for the betterment of the state, right?

NDAmerican WV Escapee
12/10/15 11:48 am

Well a major difference is that under socialism a state in theory does not have to exist, under fascism it is required. While they both are theoretically part of the central planning philosophy, Fascism is a hybrid mixture of Socialism and Capitalism. It rejects the benefits of free trade, rejects materialism, rejects greed, and rejects individualism. It believes the State should maintain the benefits capitalism brings while eradicating the "flaws", it does this by using government regulation to empower corporations and eradicate small business. Corporations are sustained by tax dollars but are used for the sole purpose of bettering the state. Most of their policies however are attempting to better the state, they share many tenants with Democratic Socialists (not real socialists) such as universal healthcare, free education, unemployment and pension benefits, and so on. So long as the individual acts in accordance with the nation's goals.

NDAmerican WV Escapee
12/10/15 11:55 am

Socialism on the other hand does not seek to improve a certain state (aside from National Socialism) instead it seeks to maximize equality and utility. The means of production (such as land, labor, and capital) are controlled by the people. Private property still exists but not in production. The problem with the philosophy that makes it similar to fascism is that it is normally hard to enforce this theory without a central state. The result is a central planner which are similar. Throughout history we view very few real socialist parties, instead see democratic socialist which are very similar to fascists excluding the nationalism.

ndull Minnesota
12/10/15 10:38 am

Both advocate a similar economic policy which involves economic nationalism or state owned means of production.