Show of HandsShow of Hands

TomLaney1 August 1st, 2015 8:12pm

OK, Planned Parenthood defenders. Check out this ex-clinic director's testimony. The preborn baby is: 1. Fully human, or 2. A clump of cells that somehow miraculously manages to fight for its life during a 13-week abortion.

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heyheyitsrae harker heights texas
08/17/15 5:39 pm

Bodily autonomy trumps right to life, just as it does when someone needs a blood donor. Even if your blood would save someone's life, you're not obligated to give it to them.

ladyniner81 I need chocolate
08/06/15 8:37 am

It's a clump of cells, but they're live human cells

xRiverSongx Time Lord in the TARDIS
08/06/15 2:03 am

Yes, it is human. But it is a fetus, and has not experienced conciousness. It is simply a parasite to it's mother that will eventually become a baby. But, a mother should be allowed to remove a parasite from their body.

azco
08/04/15 2:14 pm

I personally believe that abortion is a personal choice and that I don't have a say of what someone does with their body. But I think we should help provide basic necessities to children and mothers like day cares, diapers, formula, better and longer

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azco
08/04/15 2:17 pm

Stays in hospitals. We should also increase and find adoption services. But I still don't think I have a say with what some random person does with their body. best we should do is promote alternatives to abortion. Even natural family planning help

sea California
08/03/15 12:22 am

Based on my own polls I've come to realize that most pro choice advocates do not claim that an unborn human is not human. They just deem those lives worthless and without rights so they are ok killing those unborn humans.

heyheyitsrae harker heights texas
08/17/15 5:42 pm

The rights of the mother (bodily autonomy) ALWAYS trump the rights of the fetus.

LeftLibertarian The Age of Outrage
08/02/15 11:34 am

Both 1 and 2 are highly inaccurate.

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ozzy
08/02/15 4:50 am

So heartbreaking

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GlutenPutin The First Civilization
08/02/15 1:01 am

It's a human being no matter what stage it's at, from it's conception until it's birth. And killing it is one of the most inhumane things to do to a creature that is defenseless and is fully dependent on others to survive

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GlutenPutin The First Civilization
08/02/15 1:04 am

And people should take responsibility for their actions not make the fetus pay with it's life for their mistakes

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/02/15 9:39 am

Excellent! 😃

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
08/01/15 10:36 pm

Democrats...really, a clump of cells???

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Brandon1995 San Francisco
08/01/15 6:53 pm

After seeing the word "baby" in this poll question, I stopped reading. Don't use inaccurate labels.

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Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 7:01 pm

Brandon ... typical ... stick your fingers in your ears and scream "la la la" and maybe you won't have to deal with the depravity of the pro-baby death truth.

Ollie15 young conservative
08/01/15 7:09 pm

You literally proved his point... Classic

jlong105 Indiana
08/01/15 9:21 pm

Lol and we see 1995 is the birth year.

Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 11:40 pm

Ollie & JLong ... take it easy! He's still in diapers and hasn't figured out that his teachers have all lied to him about the leftist utopia.

Liberty 4,032,064
08/01/15 6:47 pm

Of course they're human. Organisms don't change species based on their location, humans included.

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political Georgia
08/01/15 6:20 pm

It's not that liberals don't know science. It's that they choose not to care about killing an innocent human life.

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azco
08/04/15 2:19 pm

It's not like conservatives don't know science it's just they choose not care about global warming and the environment.

MrMilkdud
08/01/15 6:05 pm

They know what they're doing. Those doctors can't tear babies up every single day without realizing it at some point.

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MrsCrayonWax
08/02/15 2:25 pm

I wonder how many of them have to numb themselves in some way to get through the day.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
08/01/15 6:03 pm

This is a false dichotomy.

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iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/01/15 1:51 pm

When you get down to it. Pro-abortion people understand basic biology & accept that a fetus (& even a zygote) is a human being. They just want to be able to kill it if it's an inconvenience. They would like to kill lots more of inconvenient people...

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/01/15 2:47 pm

Good point, iPol.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 5:59 pm

"They'd kill lots more of inconvenient people if they could"
That's such bull. Just another way for people to demonize each other for not having the same beliefs.

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 6:05 pm

Well, abortionists ARE demons, so...

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:13 pm

Sb looking at your other comments, you're a radical with no sense of understanding. Chill.

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 6:27 pm

demon6410 - your complete misunderstanding of human biology and your unwillingness to accept the selfish taking of another innocent human life as murder is what is radical. Get a grip.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:30 pm

Alrighty then! You seem like the kind of person who'd like to see me and other pro choice people completely eradicated from the earth ❤

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:31 pm

But anyway a fetus is human, it had the DNA of a human. But it doesn't have personhood and therefore not the rights of a person.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:34 pm

Chim, I'm talking about some people's complete lack of ability to even try to somehow understand the other side. I know what the pro life argument it and I understand it. I just don't agree with it. And I certainly don't think pro lifers are

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:34 pm

"Women hating misogynist" like the radical pro choicers think of you guys.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:38 pm

You're good at twisting words. Kind of like the democrats do with the wage gap lol.
I will state once again: they have the DNA of a homosapien. But they are not people. People have people rights. Non people don't have people rights.

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 6:38 pm

d...this isn't about killing abortionists or wishing you were eradicated from the earth. Your life is valuable. We wish you'd give the same consideration to the unborn and stop choosing death, dismemberment & distribution. And for a profit, no less.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:39 pm

Not everything with our DNA is a person.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/01/15 6:40 pm

D, we've got a semantic problem here. You say the unborn is human yet doesn't have "personhood." Slavery ended in the US when people realized ALL humans are persons. Not 3/5, not only outside the womb.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:40 pm

Sb, I believe in a woman's right to not have her life completely shattered by one broken condom, by one missed pill, by one stupid one night stand, etc. By something that's not a person.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:45 pm

Most women who get abortions are married btw.
And how about you stop judging people because they don't have the same morals as you?
Being pregnant can completely dissemble a woman's life. That's what people don't get.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:48 pm

Being pregnant comes with all the social stigma (from people like you), especially if you're still in HS or college. It can ruin your chances of a promotion if you're up for one. It can suck you're money dry. Just being pregnant can seriously damage

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:49 pm

your health.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:52 pm

I'm not talking about a 16 year old employee. I'm talking about the 35 year old lawyer who's condom broke while using sex with her husband. Those kind of people.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:53 pm

*having sex
Your solution is "for women to stop having sex"
I hope you know how ridiculous that sounds.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:59 pm

As much as you'd like teens to be celibate until marriage, that's not going to happen. It goes against every human instinct. It's just not going to happen. Kids to stupid things, doesn't mean they should loose their live to it.

Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 7:06 pm

d64 ... at least you are consistent. You demand that others understand your position while completely dismissing theirs. That makes you a full fledged leftist. Congrats!

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 7:09 pm

And it doesn't mean their child should lose their life to it either. Not having sex until you're able to care for the child is called self control. A very noble character trait. Kids without clear parental guidance and training don't have it.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 7:10 pm

Think I understand the pro life argument. I've listened to pro lifers who can respectfully state their positions. I have nothing against the pro life people. I just don't agree with them. But nice try 😉

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 7:11 pm

Chim, having the pleasure that comes from sex is human instinct.
Sb, not all unwanted pregnancies are from unprotected sex. Birth control does in fact fail.
Think, you call everyone a leftist, find a new insult.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 7:17 pm

And how would you know that? None of us were alive when the first humans existed. And no one wrote down when the early homosapiens had sex. Sex is about pleasure, (that's why people masturbate). Sex is pleasurable so people will keep doing it, babies

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 7:18 pm

are a positive (or negative) product of that.
If people only had sex to reproduce then birth control wouldn't exist. Women who can't get pregnant wouldn't have the urge either.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 7:28 pm

Women who've menstrauted have bodies that make it so they can't reproduce. Yet they still have sex.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 7:32 pm

True, thanks for the correction. I'm trying to do this fast. So now you know what I mean

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 7:33 pm

Speaking of it though women on their periods can't get pregnant and still want to have sex.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 7:35 pm

Anyways this has gotten completely off track and I'm going to go spend time with my family. Comment whatever last witty remark makes you think you'll "win" this argument (though no one can win). See ya.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 7:36 pm

People have sex into their 80s. I've read studies on this and the most common reason women stop having sex is because their spouse has died

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 1:31 pm

Abortion is a gray area, I'm not sure we'll ever come to an agreement as a society. I'm pro-life personally but I support pro-choice politically. The lines are blurry, but the service does provide value to society. There are no easy answers here.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/01/15 2:46 pm

May I seriously ask, "What value?"

SugarShaq
08/01/15 3:48 pm

Murder has no value to society.

All of these women can go get a freakin patch on their a** for free at PP. There is no excuse in this country for millions of abortions. It is a complete degradation of society and the value of life.

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 4:08 pm

Decreasing unwanted pregnancies has been shown to have numerous societal benefits from crime reduction to decreased resource consumption, plus it provides an important research opportunity. I would encourage women to

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 4:08 pm

live with the consequences of their decisions, but I also see the benefits otherwise. Science can't even answer what life is, let alone when it begins. I am not convinced it begins at conception, but clearly it begins before labor starts.

chickencookie Jihad Joe
08/01/15 4:51 pm

Thousands of couples would do anything to adopt an infant in this country instead of spending thousands to adopt a baby from Russia, South Korea etc. Abortion is never the solution.

d6410 Texas
08/01/15 5:58 pm

Chicken, just being pregnant can destroy a woman's life.

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 6:08 pm

Justin, if you believe population control to be so very necessary to the survival of our species, then by all means, lead the way and be the first into the death chamber. Lead by example! What, not going in? Then STFU!

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 6:55 pm

Is this level of rhetoric really necessary? Does telling me to walk in to a death chamber make your argument more valid? I'm just not going to discuss it with you further, you clearly wouldn't want to debate seriously.

Brandon1995 San Francisco
08/01/15 6:55 pm

Crime has decreased ever since abortion was legalized in the 70s. Most abortions happen in crime-ridden poor communities. Just sayin....

Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 7:10 pm

d64 ... "Just being pregnant can destroy a woman's life" ... what a ridiculous statement. If it were true, why would a single woman get pregnant?

If you don't want a baby, then don't have sex.

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 7:17 pm

Sorry, Justin your comment about decreased consumption smacked of population control as a legitimate reason for killing the unborn. If that is indeed a case in point of your argument, then please demonstrate its importance by leading by example.

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 7:17 pm

If not, then please don't use it as a reason for accepting abortion.

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 7:20 pm

I was using that example to illustrate the spectrum of benefits, not to say I advocated it. Why don't you offer to adopt every single fetus instead? Lead by example! (Do you see how stupid that argument is?)

chickencookie Jihad Joe
08/01/15 7:41 pm

I was pregnant. It didn't destroy my life. In fact my life get pretty darn good after that.

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 7:45 pm

If it meant putting an end to abortion, I and many others would step up & a) encourage and support the MOTHERS in caring for their child & b) arrange for every child to be matched with willing adoptive parents. Why are these lives so unwanted by you?

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 7:54 pm

Notice how your first option wasn't to take the burden yourself and lead by example? Instead it was tell mothers they're wrong and they should change. Look, I said I was pro-life personally, but there are arguments to be made in allowing abortions.

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 7:54 pm

There is no consensus on when life begins; if a fertilized egg fails to implant is that truly a loss of life? I would argue no. I'm not going impose on others without just cause and I do not see enough cause here to justify that imposition.

Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 8:43 pm

Justin ... sure we can argue about semantics all day, but to suggest that a full term unborn child is not human, and does not deserve to live because the mother's fingernail polish smudged is inhumane!

Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 8:44 pm

Justin ... partial birth abortions, as supported by MrO, mean that they birth the baby, except for its head, then the reach up and crush its skull.

That is murder!

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 8:47 pm

I never said that. Clearly a full-term, unborn baby should not be aborted. Where along the spectrum between fertilized egg and full-term does life begin? It's surely somewhere in between rather than at either extreme.

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 8:54 pm

There is no scientific consensus on that point. We cannot even define what life is accurately, and you expect me to believe there's consensus on when it begins?

Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 11:44 pm

Brandon ... The absurdity of your ridiculous assertion is that there'll never be consensus on any scientific fact.

As long as one selfish prodeath scientist exists, there'll by definition be no consensus. However, scientific fact isn't democratic.

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 11:53 pm

What you're missing Think is that there doesn't need to be unanimity. There are holdouts in every scientific area, including those that think the Earth is flat. A consensus is a general agreement, something that does not exist in this field yet.

Think Lovin Life
08/03/15 6:14 am

Justin ... you're barking up the wrong tree. It was Brandon who stated that the answer must be unanimous, or its not science.

I agree that there are still megalomaniacal leftists who still think mankind is responsible for the ever-changing climate.

Think Lovin Life
08/03/15 6:18 am

Justin ... as for the beginning of life, the science is clear. The baby's heart starts beating within 18 days of conception.

Barbaric leftists say that the baby isn't alive, & can be killed until it leaves the hospital, but scientists know better.

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/03/15 6:26 am

Simply having a heartbeat is not considered being alive. We pull the plug on brain-dead individuals all the time, many have perfectly fine hearts. The questions of what life is and when it begins have not been answered.

Think Lovin Life
08/03/15 6:28 am

Justin ... thank you for making my point! You can't "pull the plug" without consent because the law is even smart enough to know that the brain dead person is alive.

Ops, bad example for the murder living left!

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/03/15 6:45 am

That's because it's obvious that they were at one point living, and you can make that decision without the brain dead's consent. We are likely to never agree on this topic.

Think Lovin Life
08/03/15 6:48 am

Justin ... it's clear that you can't see the hypocrisy of your position.

That's ok, at least you admitted that you can't "pull the plug" without consent, even when you were trying and failed to create a parallel to murdering innocent babies.

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/03/15 6:52 am

I did not admit anything of the sort, and in fact said you can pull the plug without their consent. Recall Terri Schiavo?

Think Lovin Life
08/03/15 6:56 am

Justin ... keep flapping in the leftist wind, there big guy!

You'll remember that Ms Schiavo couldn't be unplug until legal guardianship was established. There were two groups claiming guardianship, and the court decided!

Babies deserve the same!

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/03/15 7:00 am

Except the point remains: she was terminated by someone else without her own consent, just as hundreds of others are annually. You should also take note that I'm not from the left, I've tried to emphasize that point many times and in many places.

MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
08/01/15 1:23 pm

Thank God she helped that doctor with the ultrasound abortion. While she may have directly killed that little baby, it was that baby fighting for its life that will ultimately save countless other babies lives through her testimony.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/01/15 1:16 pm

Not only that, but it somehow manages to cleverly disguise itself as a human being SO WELL that the "fetal tissue harvesters" mistake parts of that"lifeless clump" for salable human organs, including brain, heart, and spinal column.

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