Show of HandsShow of Hands

TomLaney1 August 1st, 2015 8:12pm

OK, Planned Parenthood defenders. Check out this ex-clinic director's testimony. The preborn baby is: 1. Fully human, or 2. A clump of cells that somehow miraculously manages to fight for its life during a 13-week abortion.

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iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/01/15 1:51 pm

When you get down to it. Pro-abortion people understand basic biology & accept that a fetus (& even a zygote) is a human being. They just want to be able to kill it if it's an inconvenience. They would like to kill lots more of inconvenient people...

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 4:08 pm

Decreasing unwanted pregnancies has been shown to have numerous societal benefits from crime reduction to decreased resource consumption, plus it provides an important research opportunity. I would encourage women to

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/01/15 1:16 pm

Not only that, but it somehow manages to cleverly disguise itself as a human being SO WELL that the "fetal tissue harvesters" mistake parts of that"lifeless clump" for salable human organs, including brain, heart, and spinal column.

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political Georgia
08/01/15 6:20 pm

It's not that liberals don't know science. It's that they choose not to care about killing an innocent human life.

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d6410 Texas
08/01/15 5:59 pm

"They'd kill lots more of inconvenient people if they could"
That's such bull. Just another way for people to demonize each other for not having the same beliefs.

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 4:08 pm

live with the consequences of their decisions, but I also see the benefits otherwise. Science can't even answer what life is, let alone when it begins. I am not convinced it begins at conception, but clearly it begins before labor starts.

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
08/01/15 6:03 pm

This is a false dichotomy.

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Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 7:01 pm

Brandon ... typical ... stick your fingers in your ears and scream "la la la" and maybe you won't have to deal with the depravity of the pro-baby death truth.

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Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 11:40 pm

Ollie & JLong ... take it easy! He's still in diapers and hasn't figured out that his teachers have all lied to him about the leftist utopia.

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Brandon1995 San Francisco
08/01/15 6:53 pm

After seeing the word "baby" in this poll question, I stopped reading. Don't use inaccurate labels.

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MrMilkdud
08/01/15 6:05 pm

They know what they're doing. Those doctors can't tear babies up every single day without realizing it at some point.

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chickencookie Biden Crime Syndicate
08/01/15 4:51 pm

Thousands of couples would do anything to adopt an infant in this country instead of spending thousands to adopt a baby from Russia, South Korea etc. Abortion is never the solution.

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d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:13 pm

Sb looking at your other comments, you're a radical with no sense of understanding. Chill.

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 6:55 pm

Is this level of rhetoric really necessary? Does telling me to walk in to a death chamber make your argument more valid? I'm just not going to discuss it with you further, you clearly wouldn't want to debate seriously.

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Ollie15 young conservative
08/01/15 7:09 pm

You literally proved his point... Classic

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ozzy
08/02/15 4:51 am

No. It means un-born, not un-human

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 1:31 pm

Abortion is a gray area, I'm not sure we'll ever come to an agreement as a society. I'm pro-life personally but I support pro-choice politically. The lines are blurry, but the service does provide value to society. There are no easy answers here.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/01/15 2:47 pm

Good point, iPol.

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SugarShaq
08/01/15 3:48 pm

Murder has no value to society.

All of these women can go get a freakin patch on their a** for free at PP. There is no excuse in this country for millions of abortions. It is a complete degradation of society and the value of life.

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LeftLibertarian The Age of Outrage
08/02/15 11:34 am

Both 1 and 2 are highly inaccurate.

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d6410 Texas
08/01/15 5:58 pm

Chicken, just being pregnant can destroy a woman's life.

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sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 6:27 pm

demon6410 - your complete misunderstanding of human biology and your unwillingness to accept the selfish taking of another innocent human life as murder is what is radical. Get a grip.

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Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 7:06 pm

d64 ... at least you are consistent. You demand that others understand your position while completely dismissing theirs. That makes you a full fledged leftist. Congrats!

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d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:30 pm

Alrighty then! You seem like the kind of person who'd like to see me and other pro choice people completely eradicated from the earth ❤

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sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 6:05 pm

Well, abortionists ARE demons, so...

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 7:20 pm

I was using that example to illustrate the spectrum of benefits, not to say I advocated it. Why don't you offer to adopt every single fetus instead? Lead by example! (Do you see how stupid that argument is?)

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Liberty 4,032,064
08/01/15 6:47 pm

Of course they're human. Organisms don't change species based on their location, humans included.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/01/15 2:46 pm

May I seriously ask, "What value?"

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/01/15 6:40 pm

D, we've got a semantic problem here. You say the unborn is human yet doesn't have "personhood." Slavery ended in the US when people realized ALL humans are persons. Not 3/5, not only outside the womb.

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sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 7:09 pm

And it doesn't mean their child should lose their life to it either. Not having sex until you're able to care for the child is called self control. A very noble character trait. Kids without clear parental guidance and training don't have it.

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GlutenPutin The First Civilization
08/02/15 1:01 am

It's a human being no matter what stage it's at, from it's conception until it's birth. And killing it is one of the most inhumane things to do to a creature that is defenseless and is fully dependent on others to survive

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d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:31 pm

But anyway a fetus is human, it had the DNA of a human. But it doesn't have personhood and therefore not the rights of a person.

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d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:34 pm

Chim, I'm talking about some people's complete lack of ability to even try to somehow understand the other side. I know what the pro life argument it and I understand it. I just don't agree with it. And I certainly don't think pro lifers are

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 7:54 pm

Notice how your first option wasn't to take the burden yourself and lead by example? Instead it was tell mothers they're wrong and they should change. Look, I said I was pro-life personally, but there are arguments to be made in allowing abortions.

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 7:54 pm

There is no consensus on when life begins; if a fertilized egg fails to implant is that truly a loss of life? I would argue no. I'm not going impose on others without just cause and I do not see enough cause here to justify that imposition.

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d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:38 pm

You're good at twisting words. Kind of like the democrats do with the wage gap lol.
I will state once again: they have the DNA of a homosapien. But they are not people. People have people rights. Non people don't have people rights.

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d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:39 pm

Not everything with our DNA is a person.

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sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 6:08 pm

Justin, if you believe population control to be so very necessary to the survival of our species, then by all means, lead the way and be the first into the death chamber. Lead by example! What, not going in? Then STFU!

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MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
08/01/15 1:23 pm

Thank God she helped that doctor with the ultrasound abortion. While she may have directly killed that little baby, it was that baby fighting for its life that will ultimately save countless other babies lives through her testimony.

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 8:47 pm

I never said that. Clearly a full-term, unborn baby should not be aborted. Where along the spectrum between fertilized egg and full-term does life begin? It's surely somewhere in between rather than at either extreme.

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d6410 Texas
08/01/15 6:45 pm

Most women who get abortions are married btw.
And how about you stop judging people because they don't have the same morals as you?
Being pregnant can completely dissemble a woman's life. That's what people don't get.

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 11:53 pm

What you're missing Think is that there doesn't need to be unanimity. There are holdouts in every scientific area, including those that think the Earth is flat. A consensus is a general agreement, something that does not exist in this field yet.

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 8:54 pm

There is no scientific consensus on that point. We cannot even define what life is accurately, and you expect me to believe there's consensus on when it begins?

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d6410 Texas
08/01/15 7:10 pm

Think I understand the pro life argument. I've listened to pro lifers who can respectfully state their positions. I have nothing against the pro life people. I just don't agree with them. But nice try 😉

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Think Lovin Life
08/01/15 7:10 pm

d64 ... "Just being pregnant can destroy a woman's life" ... what a ridiculous statement. If it were true, why would a single woman get pregnant?

If you don't want a baby, then don't have sex.

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GlutenPutin The First Civilization
08/02/15 1:04 am

And people should take responsibility for their actions not make the fetus pay with it's life for their mistakes

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sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 6:38 pm

d...this isn't about killing abortionists or wishing you were eradicated from the earth. Your life is valuable. We wish you'd give the same consideration to the unborn and stop choosing death, dismemberment & distribution. And for a profit, no less.

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