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"I have come not to destroy the law, but to complete it".
-Jesus.

Christian theology holds that homosexuality is just another sin. It's equal to fornication and adultery and cussing and stealing and murder and teen rebellion. No worse; no better.

Oh ok, thanks! (i actually didn't know)

Which verse are you referring to in the Bible that claims that?

He does. And if you love someone, you do not approve of their sin, and if you happen to be able, and you love them enough, you sacrifice yourself to overcome their sin and give salvation as a free gift. Jesus was able.

Romans 1:26-28, for starters.

Well now, when I read that, I see Paul condemning Roman orgies. It mentions nothing about 2 homosexuals in a committed, loving, monogamous relationship.

Any questions?

Yes. Which verse is that?

So, if I lisp and bend my wrist, that means I'm going to hell?

1 Corinthians 6 something

And no is the answer to your question, only I you refuse to admit homosexuality is a sin and fail to ask for forgiveness while going on in the same manner.

"Abomination" was a technical term concerning violations of Jewish ritual laws, and included a shitload of stuff that you (yes, even you) would not consider a sin. Why do you focus on homosexuality above the many other "abominations"?

Because it is the ONE SIN which man has taken PRIDE in. We don't see sinners PROUD of being a THIEF or rapist or murderer or child molester or adulterer. Just the homosexual PARADES his SIN in front of the world to embrace. Sad.

FORGIVENESS REQUIRES REPENTANCE. FORGIVENESS does not come to those who remain in rebellion to God.

Sin*

It's not a sin to be attracted to your own sex, it's a sin to act on it. We expect pedophiles to refrain from acting on their sexual desires. It's no different for the church to expect homosexuals to refrain from acting on theirs.

If I understand you correctly, the only way for homosexuals to gain the kingdom of heaven is lifelong celibacy. That sounds a bit harsh to me. You must believe in a very cruel God.

Not celibacy, just not homosexual acts.

My SIN of CHOICE before I was saved was pornography. Could not live without my daily fix. Christ has removed that desire from my life just like He has done with many ex homosexuals who are at peace now with themselves. It's not as bad as you think.

Ex-homosexuals? The first error in your ways is actually believing that that is a possibility.

They expect the clergy to remain celibate.

I'm not a xtian btw. I just take the time to understand people and their beliefs.

3gun, that is only the clergy of certain denominations.

JEFFREY....there are numerous people who have left the homosexual life. It's because it is A CHOICE.

I have a very simple question for any heterosexual who believes sexual orientation is a choice. Could you choose to give up your heterosexual lifestyle? When I pose this question to my friends, it is usually met with a blank stare.

Me, no way. For others, of course why not?

I'm certain that heterosexual men who engage in homosexual acts while in prison do so by choice. At least most of the time ;)

Satan is the great deceiver. He will tell you you cannot leave homosexuality because that is who you are. It's a lie! God creates all of us heterosexual. It is a choice to Engage in sexual immorality Just like it is a choice to engage in adultery

NO. We ALL struggle with some SIN. Fornication, pornography, fear, anger, selfishness, gluttony, gossip. The homosexual is not alone in their struggle. The more we surrender to God the more He transforms us. The first step is admitting it is SIN.

It doesn't happen over night. My daily addiction to pornography took 5 years to loose. The closer you grow to Christ the more transformation takes place. If you don't pray daily, get into God's Word and find a good church, your strugglewilltakelonger

Love the sinner and hate the SIN is a quote from BUDDHA. It is not in the Bible.

Nit picker, btw nobody likes glocks. :????

:)

It is distinct in at least 3 ways.
1) they identify by their sinful nature - if you ask them to list the 5 identities that are most important to them, many will list their sexuality.
2) they take pride in their sin - gay pride parades, etc.

3) they refuse to admit homosexuality is sinful.
Do any of the above apply to those who regularly engage in the sins of adultery, dishonesty, murder, theft and such? No. Therefore it would appear that homosexuality is a special sin.

The bible says not to rank sins. They are all equal in the eyes of God.

But if you want to use religion to enforce your prejudices, that's fine.

"And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come."

Obviously not all are equal in the eyes of God. Not equal in severity, and not equal in forgivability either. And you have no idea what my prejudices are or what I'm trying to enforce.

The bible says that God doesn't rank sins, and then it calls one sin unforgivable. A logical person with a functioning brain would call this a contradiction, but I'm sure you have some other magical explanation.

Nothing magical about it, it's quite simple. You have a less than useless understanding of what God said.

How do you explain god saying 2 things that contradict each other?

The bible describes some as venal sins and others as mortal sins. Where do you get the idea they're all equal?

And what precisely are the 2 things that God said that contradict each other?

Ohhhh sorry I completely misunderstood your question! I see that now. Ignore my comment! Haha

Ahh sorry I apparently hit the wrong "reply" :/

the Bible says that if we repent, all sins are forgiven and forgotten. That doesn't sound doomed to me :)

That's not what they were saying, they were saying gays aren't doomed to hell for their sin

Ohhhh sorry I completely misunderstood your question! I see that now. Ignore my comment! Haha

As an atheist, everything you believe about God or Christ will be skewed by the SIN that consumes your own life.

I hope you are either trolling or being sarcastic...for your own sake. I couldn't care less.

Nope...just making a statement based on first hand experience.

Always ready to let the first stone fly, eh Glock?

Exactly. So why are gays viewed by lots of Christians as godless people if their sin of being gay is equal to whatever sin they ARE guilty of and they both would be doomed to hell without Jesus. Does Jesus dying on the cross not count for gays??

Of course it counts for gays. Many Christians, in their human nature, try to justify their "small sins" by saying things like they aren't killing anyone or being immoral.

God hates the sin of homosexuality, but he loves the person just the same way God loves every other human being but hates their sin.

I think they should focus more on correcting their own faults than judging the gays for theirs. Don't judge a man for the sparkle in his eye when you have a log in your own

Well I agree in the sense that every human being is a sinner, and I agree that Christians should not hate gays like many do because, as previously stated, all sins are equal. At the same time, I don't see it as evil to point out a sin.

No no absolutely not, pointing out a mans sin is different that judging or condemning him for it. The gay man won't need to be pointed out for his sin, he will tell you. The most dangerous sin is one that a man convinces himself he's not committing

Are you agreeing with me? Sorry, a little confused. I agree that a sinner generally doesn't have to be told he's sinning in order to know that he is.

Yes I'm agreeing. There's a fine line between judging a man for his sin and pointing it out to him. May the sinless man cast the first stone. Don't condemn a man for his while you struggle with your own. He will be judged just like you will

Exactly. It just takes people to sit down and rationally discuss issues without jumping down each other's throats or being bitter against them.

I think the biggest issue is that it is so hard for us to comprehend that all sins are equal because we, as humans, place stricter punishments for certain sins (which I'm not saying is a bad thing; Aka murder vs cheating on a quiz).

If everyone would just be rational and come to terms with their own sins and imperfection they would be more capable of helping others with theirs and non-Christians would think much higher of us. Everyone is an imperfect as they are

Yeah that is hard. Its hard to imagine but it's the truth. No one will tell you that you will spend eternity in hell for cheating on a test though will they? They jump all over murderers and gays though. Why??!

Exactly, and even if you were a completely perfect human, but cheated on one quiz...you'd fall short of the glory of God, and spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

For god so loved the world he sent his one and only son, so that everyone who believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.. On that note, amen and goodnight. I'm exhausted haha

Goodnight, bud.

Mad respect, man. Truly, these words need to be shouted from the steeples of every church in America.

Actually, it does... In several places. The word you're looking for is "mortal" sin, which means you're barred from heaven.