Show of HandsShow of Hands

lillian53 February 12th, 2014 4:18am

Inspired by Mattwall1: Do you believe that 2+2=4? ...Not just do you think it can be true, but do you honestly believe it is always, unconditionally, 100% true? Explain your opinion in the comments! (: Have fun.

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Happy Hong Kong
02/13/14 12:41 pm

2+2= 11 in base 3. :-)

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mikeey1962 on SOH where else
02/12/14 2:35 pm

Nope, because 2 cups if flour and 2 cups of water get you 3 cups of glue, so it's not 100% true...

bMyComrade Stumptown
02/12/14 5:12 pm

That's more like 2x + 2y

mikeey1962 on SOH where else
02/12/14 6:17 pm

Thanks for proving my point

bMyComrade Stumptown
02/12/14 7:05 pm

which is not the same thing as 2+2

listgarten SF Bay Area
02/12/14 8:29 am

Technically, it doesn't have to be true all the time, and because 100% is equivalent to infinity/infinity and you can never reach infinity, there is no mathematical proof that 2+2=4 ALL of the time. Infinity bc you'd have to run infinite test trials.

b4mytime Orange County, CA
02/12/14 5:45 am

Not in modular arithmetic. If you use modulus 3 for example, then 2 + 2 = 1

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bMyComrade Stumptown
02/12/14 5:15 pm

Aw, modular arithmetic, how I miss thee in my life.

listgarten SF Bay Area
03/10/14 9:35 pm

But that's CHEATING
(2+2)%3=1

kspells TheOtherOtherside
02/12/14 4:04 am

It's not true. It's never been true. I can't be true. I'm positive it's false. It's an equation used in measurement. None of the standards given values are true.

KAnne Atlantic City, NJ
02/11/14 10:43 pm

Yes. However, I am coming from a very limited knowledge of math. I use a calculator for basic addition. (Like anything above 5+5. No I'm not kidding. I wish I was.)

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ZiggySpringer Fields of Trenzalore
02/11/14 10:39 pm

For extreme values of two. . .

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usernamehere Raise a little hell
02/11/14 10:01 pm

Ugh no. You're making math all deep and thoughtful.

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firefly5 the verse
02/11/14 9:51 pm

context matters. I'd hate to repeat the same argument. I don't want to bore you.

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beanD California
02/11/14 9:36 pm

Math + philosophy = too deep for me

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Torfin Never Behind
02/11/14 9:25 pm

It can also have other values depending upon variables but in some way it is always 4

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Mattwall1
02/11/14 9:22 pm

as currently exists, the symbol 2 represents the concept of the number of two, itself a mathematical construct and social construct representing an amount of one object added to one object, when added together, said concept of 2, added to 2,

Mattwall1
02/11/14 9:23 pm

equal to the concept of four, or one object, plus an object, plus an object, plus an object, represented by the symbol 4. five, which is the concept of 4, plus one is like the others, a mathematical and sociological construct, represented by the

Mattwall1
02/11/14 9:24 pm

symbol 5. the concept of two, when added with the concept of two, is equal to the concept of four, not the concept of five, hence 2+2=4 not 5. yes, the +, as well as the other symbols, are not universal, hence the parts about sociological construct.

Mattwall1
02/11/14 9:24 pm

the mathematical concept is universal, even if the expression of the concept is not

Mattwall1
02/11/14 9:25 pm

and, for the record one- a statistical value representing a certain value of a single amount of an item as opposed to no amount or multiple amounts of said item, and a social construct to represent said value, itself also being an innate social

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/11/14 10:44 pm

But what if your numberspace is on a permeable sphere?

Mattwall1
02/11/14 11:11 pm

I was assuming we werre dealing with the root of the issue, i.e. mathematical concept and construct, but if you're going to bring THAT in, allow me the favor of getting some sleep tonight before I answer that one

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/11/14 11:12 pm

Just had to throw any wrench I could find into a perfectly laid out machine. Don't bother. I'm about out for the night. ;-)

doctalk not all who wander r lost
02/12/14 3:41 am

A rose by any other name is still a rose.
A mathematical sum, by any other naming convention remains the same, the sum of its parts.

droo Santa Barbara
02/11/14 9:19 pm

2+2=5

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength.

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Mattwall1
02/11/14 9:26 pm

thinkcrime

Mattwall1
02/11/14 9:26 pm

and thinkpol, recdep, and doubleplusgood