My area received a generous 11&1/2 inches of snow last night setting a record for snowfall in March. Is it ok to stop using the term "global warming" yet?
The fact is the climate is changing. How or why is almost irrelevant. We as a people need to do two things
1) Reduce our impact just as a safe rather than sorry. Either way, fossil fuels are tied to so many other problems.
2) Adapt to the fact that life will change. Complacency kills.
That's pretty close to how I see it. Before I taught environmental science, I thought it was a load of garbage, probably bc Al Gore was so insistent on it. The more I learn though, the more I see that it is happening. The facts back it up.
I don't have a problem with gas efficiency either. My current dream car is a Tesla, in fact. :-) I just have a problem with sanctimonious people who are more concerned with *looking* green (or spiritual, for that matter) than with actually being it.
Well played, sir! ????????
Ooooh. Well, you know how I get with science questions.
Ok I've got one.
Check the polls in about 2 minutes, the "propose question" box hates me.
Tilton- if you truly wanted this question to be about terminology and not about climate change (or whatever term you chose to use), then why was your first comment about a personal observation that it feels like the seasons have shifted by roughly a month?
What we need to remember with "global warming" is that because its cold today doesn't mean the globe isn't warming. When the ice caps raise 1 degree, more melts. That fresh water is dumped into the salt water. More fresh water in salt equals easier precipitation. More precipitation means more snow.
How about the term from Futrama? "Global Wapa"
That is the real question, Tony. How much can we control, and what is the cost either way. We do know that the oil supply is dwindling, and there are a lot more important uses for it than transportation, so I have no idea problem with the hybrids or increased gas efficiency in general.
???????? This is why I asked.
I will go with that until someone convinces me in a debate that Global Wapa is real.
Tony I agree with every one of your points. The one small doubt I have about our possible impact on climate has to do with contrails - both adding moisture and forming ice in an otherwise relatively stable layer of our atmosphere. We don't know enough about it to even make a guess yes or no.
Under that logic, cats = bears?
The word is changing. The ice is melting. Yes these are facts. Are we to blame? That's where it gets unclear.
I think just saying climate change is better. I'm in the midst of that storm too
There is a reason society spurred at almost the same latitudes around the globe is something we need to remember. We weren't made to stay in Illinois 365 ????
Climate change or global warming?
That was the point of the question.
I believe that climate is changing and that we are contributing marginally to the change. The questions for me: 1) what is the true estimated impact of the change? 2) what can we truly do to change them? 3) what would it cost (not just $$, but as a society)? 4) are the costs worth the benefit?
I think it was OK years ago, when it became obvious that the issue was *climate change.* More extremes in general.
Sorry, Zod. I didn't complete my thought. The lack of contrails caused the temp rise. because there wasn't that cloud layer. I just found it really interesting.
The problem is that it's become so politicized by power-hungry politicians, money-grubbing companies, and grant-hungry scientists that people don't know who to trust or what is truth vs manipulation. It's a shame, and the scientific community is largely to blame.
The earth is warming. There is no doubt about that. Everyone likes to forget in winter when they get record cold.
Remember the hottest 10 summers on record have been in the last 12 years
I'm disappointed. I only got a few inches of snow.
I mean, it didn't have any greater effect on global climate, just what was observed in the US for those days.
I actually am waiting for 1 of our centers in Texas to have an opening for VP GM.
It'd be utter chaos in a matter of days.
It's hot as shit here man.
While you were getting record snow we were getting record heat.
90s in march.
The question isn't amount of snow, but the temperature. If the trend was record COLD then I may change from "global warming".
Maybe its usually 26 with 6" and now its 30 with 11"
Personally, I believe that the seasons have shifted by a month.
Colder than normal April, warmer than normal November.
I do not have any scientific data to back up my theory, just my opinion based on my observations. Which technically is the definition of the word "hypothesis".
It's Spring though.
I don't want ANY snow.
Zod putting a surcharge on hybrids and EVs is stupid idiotic and foolish in my opinion. We need to encourage it as much as possible. Demand for fuel will not decrease as we keep having kids etc. They can tax the fuel more or add to the vehicle registrations but don't do this now. ROI...
People are too. Hybrid vehicle sales lagged early but took off after car makers stopped trying to make them look like "regular" cars. They figured out that a bigger motivation for people to buy hybrids is because they want to be *seen* driving hybrids.
Sometimes people just really suck.
Not trying to argue but the "not global warming" only comes out at winter when people get a crap ton of snow.
No one questions it when it's 105 degrees in May in Canada
Both describe animals.
Or when its 95 in San Antonio on march 6th.
People pay more for these cars to get a return on their investment and make a difference. As volume increases the cost will decrease and the return on investment will be more tolerable. This sounds like a scheme to slow down the vehicle progress or stupidity for planing ahead.
It's not about microclimates, like 1 state. It's the average of daily temps for a year from all around the globe, they can be seen slightly increasing from year to year. An extra 2 weeks of 100°+ temps in TX, VT hitting 90° for 2 weeks, these add up. Army's right, the big storms are caused by ⬆temps
This was the reason for the question.
You guys are killing me.
It wasn't just the snow, it's record cold temperatures too.
That was my excited voice. Nothing aimed at anyone. Just passionate about making some progress.
They are ugly.
Very, very ugly.
They can't design them to look like a Dodge Avenger?
They cost so much more, for ALOT less options.
If you want people to buy them, redesign them.
Sounds like you can't understand why everyone doesn't.
If I'm sacrificing that much horsepower, it better be aesthetically appealing.
What level of the atmosphere of cold? Ground level, might be evade of all the new damn snow...
I dunno man. The globe is getting hotter and weather is becoming more severe. What we call it is even less relevant than how.
We just need to stop arguing on a term and actually do something
I want to see the unbiased, "take it or leave it", no agenda driven numbers.
Hybrids are such ugly cars.
I'd buy one, the bodies need a redesign.
Clean lines, like a Camero, and I'd buy one.
Because of all*
**I am not a climatologist :p **
Yeah, spring snow in Cincinnati always sucked too. Here it's just expected. I've been told we get some of our heaviest snowfalls in March. This is only my second winter here, and both years have been pretty light. Which isn't good because we haven't gotten much rain either, & we desperately need it.
The climate is changing, seasons are shifting, oceans are rising.
No politics, just personal observations.
When I was a kid, I remember seeing maps of 'tornado alley' & the southeast wasn't in it. Now it has been revised to include Alabama & W. Tennessee.
The problem is when politicians get involved
We clearly can't be trusted with a public forum!