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DerekWills November 9th, 2017 4:19pm

Does our right to bear arms come from G-d (or is inherent to us as humans for the atheist crowd), or does it come from government?

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/09/17 9:37 am

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PrinceOberyn ANCIENT CITY STYLE
11/09/17 9:24 am

Seeing as though god is likely fictional, the government.

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 10:32 am

It’s the right to self-defense. The arm is the means of defending oneself against all enemies.

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Liberty 4,032,064
11/09/17 9:24 am

Rights are inherent to our existence. Groups such as governments just shouldn’t violate them or be able to violate them.

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Fact FL
11/09/17 10:57 am

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jaydub951 Southern California
11/09/17 9:37 am

My hands are registered as a lethal weapon, so yes.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/09/17 9:37 am

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ZaQ777 Pittsburgh
11/09/17 12:23 pm

There's no such thing as a 'right' in an objective sense. Everything is just a privilege that we as a people have decided to make contingency free in an effort to shape the society we want. The list can be added to or removed from at any time.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/10/17 3:06 am

So many incorrect votes, thanks to the Government Indoctrination Centers we call Public Schools.
“ENDOWED BY [OUR] CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNAILENABLE RIGHTS.”

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suppressedID IMEACH BIDEN
11/09/17 10:54 am

That’s constructive. 😐

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DunkinFrunk Austin area, Texas
11/09/17 2:48 pm

Well your rights can be taken away at anytime by the government. For instance get convicted of a crime, you lose some of those rights is just one instance. If those rights were from some god, everyone would have them and not just Americans

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suppressedID IMEACH BIDEN
11/09/17 9:26 am

Do you come out of the chute with a gun?
Then no.

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sfcren Wyoming
11/09/17 9:29 am

If they are inherent why do we have to write them down in specific language and have governments guarantee them?

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ItsYourBoy Roman Empire
11/09/17 12:48 pm

Jesus wants you to buy an AR-15

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Maynard Londor
11/09/17 4:50 pm

Really, it comes down to what a community or society decides. And in this society, we dictate to our government who gets what rights. This is why various societies have different rights than the ones we allow. You can argue about the consequences of a society who dictates their own rights and morals, but it's ultimately the way it goes from society to society and group to group. Even if you believe God dictates rights, but isn't still you and the community who agrees that this is true? You could just as easily believe that another set of beliefs and rights are appropriate by just an attitude change. Truth doesn't matter, it's what we as a group of people decided was right, whether explicitly or implicitly.

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krayzewolf New Hampshire
11/09/17 9:53 am

Our "rights" come from the founders of our nation. The gods had no say.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/09/17 10:05 am

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Tariq88 Utah
11/09/17 1:46 pm

The right to defend us is natural, however it is taken to extremes and out of the limits of how to do so. As for firearms specifically humans only needed guns once they were invented. Once a new weapon (threat) was around that gave us the need for them so we could protect ourselves with equal defense.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/09/17 10:18 am

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thebarr
11/09/17 5:48 pm

The gov’t doesn’t create rights.

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 12:43 pm

So, the government can decide just to kill you for fun, because you don’t actually have a right to live?

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/09/17 10:30 am

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 10:33 am

I included a provision for atheists.... which you ignored.

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swervin Maryland
11/09/17 10:36 am

The government and it can be taken away without warning if people don't stand up for themselves.

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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
11/09/17 10:37 am

There are no inherent rights. Arguing that you have an inherent right to a manufactured product doesn't even make sense.

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voc I am...what I am
11/09/17 1:01 pm

So Derek, you believe it’s a G-d given right?

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/09/17 11:01 am

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/09/17 3:15 pm

That’s not true. Despite Hitler executing Jews, they still had the right to live. Just because their government was ignoring that right doesn’t mean they didn’t have it.

And criminals should get their rights returned once they have done their time.

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Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
11/10/17 12:55 am

I would not argue for a divine origin of rights, rather a natural origin born from from being self aware and intelligent creatures. Either way, government does not grant or take away rights, it only chooses to recognize them or not to.

Gun rights are human rights.

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sfcren Wyoming
11/09/17 10:13 am

Yes that's certainly the only group who has ever done that ...

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Tariq88 Utah
11/09/17 1:47 pm

That's my take, and just an estimated guess. I am not an expert on any of this stuff. So please forgive me.

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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
11/09/17 10:17 am

It doesn't destroy the healthcare argument at all. Rights are whatever we decide we want them to be. If we decide to make healthcare one then it will be one.

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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
11/09/17 10:20 am

Government. How would you have an inherent right to a manufactured product? Did people have the right to guns before guns existed?

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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
11/09/17 10:21 am

I've told you that before. I know you're slow on the uptake but geez...

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/09/17 10:28 am

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mark4
11/09/17 10:36 am

Precisely. No right comes from some agency of force.

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mark4
11/09/17 10:39 am

Typical. Leftists don't understand the concept of rights and don't dare learn it, otherwise they wouldn't be leftists.

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MrMilkdud
11/09/17 3:04 pm

It’s an extension of our right to protect ourselves, and that is natural to all human beings, regardless of what the government says.

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sfcren Wyoming
11/09/17 5:18 pm

I don't and never said I would, you brought up the charge argument.

I do find it funny that you say governments kill and not other people by and large, but then want another government to charge other people that did the killing in order to enforce the rights of the dead people.

mark4
11/09/17 11:05 am

He's getting veeeerry sleeeepy.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
11/14/17 8:55 am

There is no constitutional right to bear arms and they have a tyrannical Government. It’s just an example. Do they have the right despite it not being recognized by their government?

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
11/09/17 3:20 pm

By default, everything else is an inherent right.
The Constitution lists what the government can do. The Bill of Rights is an appendix on the Constitution explicitly listing rights which the government cannot curtail, so that there wouldn't be wrangled discussion about it. (Does it say, does it mean, what about...?)
Hence, If it is in the bill of Rights, it is doubly said that the right is not from govt and said that the right candidate new from God.

An argument can be made: the right is declared as given by God in a government document; hence is it government declared?
No. That would be like saying because the number 3 follows 2 in the enumeration of sections in a government document, that the govt and not natural language or math says that 3 follows 2.

sfcren Wyoming
11/09/17 10:04 am

Because individuals are so different ...