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Marcel94 June 30th, 2013 11:18pm

Regarding abortion, at 20+ weeks, when the baby can feel pain, is this still a "woman's choice over her own body"?

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love4life wonderland
06/30/13 4:28 pm

The woman isn't the one being killed, the baby is. And its the baby's life

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Marcel94 Huntington Beach
06/30/13 4:43 pm

Why don't you do some research.

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Marcel94 Huntington Beach
06/30/13 5:03 pm

Why don't you watch a video of what it's like and just be grateful that didn't happen to you

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montie AnCap and proud
06/30/13 6:09 pm

Murder is murder. Shame on the Texas congresswoman for supporting the mass murder of innocent children.

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chickencookie It really is
06/30/13 6:43 pm

Abortion by definition is selfish and cruel.

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Posco BBQ Enthusiast
06/30/13 5:05 pm

This is a great question. Myself being pro choice, I don't agree with abortion after 20 weeks because this is when you can actually classify it as a person. Anything after I am against unless it is risking the mothers life.

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veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 4:44 pm

I have. They're formed at no earlier than 24 weeks.

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chinito Florida
06/30/13 4:44 pm

If she is cruel enough and selfish enough she can do whatever she wants.

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pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
06/30/13 7:11 pm

@Veritas, So, we should just pull the plug on old folks, the handicapped, and those in critical condition after an accident who are on life support?
I mean, they can't survive without life support, so they're not viable. Right?

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HalfDozenMama in my scrapbook room
06/30/13 5:58 pm

Have you ever seen an ultrasound of a 20 week baby? They hiccup, move in response to noise & touch. They perform purposeful motions like thumb sucking (a comfort thing + learning how to suck so they can eat after birth). All organs are developed.

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HalfDozenMama in my scrapbook room
06/30/13 6:01 pm

Gender can be determined. Viability is currently 24 weeks and I'd wager that as time passes & medical advancements happen, babies born at 23,22,even20 wks will survive. You can argue women's rights all you want, but don't tell me that's not a baby.

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veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 4:46 pm

They're not exceptions. The health of child and mother are the main reasons for getting an abortion at that stage.

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veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 6:23 pm

Now they're called "children." Wow.

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Posco BBQ Enthusiast
06/30/13 5:06 pm

I feel that 15 is a better base number though.

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pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
06/30/13 6:02 pm

No. Nor is it her choice prior to 20 weeks. It is her child's body that she is attacking. She has no right to murder her child.

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veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 6:02 pm

All organs are not developed. That's complete untrue. So it's an individual in the eyes of the law when it can hiccup to should we just pick baseless numbers like 20 out of hat?

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veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 6:04 pm

I don't care about what you call it. Baby. Fetus. It's all semantics. Baby tends to be the rhetoric that most appeals to people's emotions in the lack of justifiable logic. Why should its rights' supersede those of its mother when it cannot even…

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veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 6:05 pm

…survive without the mother? Viability outside of the womb is where I draw the line.

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barbearnj Dreaming of Banff
06/30/13 5:43 pm

What about the baby's body???

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Think Lovin Life
06/30/13 7:09 pm

The point is that legally, the unborn child should not be considered a part of the mother's body. Let's push to bring our laws in line with what we already know morally and scientifically, that the child is not the mother.

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chickencookie It really is
06/30/13 8:01 pm

A baby at 23 weeks inside the mother has no rights and is okay to be killed. A baby at 23 weeks outside the mother will have every doctor working on it to save it and if the mother kills the baby she will be tried for murder- its a baby people

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susanr Colorado
06/30/13 4:30 pm

Yes, because there are medical issues that may arise after that time, affecting either the fetus or the woman.

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Posco BBQ Enthusiast
06/30/13 5:07 pm

Even it you're right veritas, what is wrong with the 20 week time span?

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rryanrichards
07/01/13 10:30 am

From the time a woman is diagnosed pregnant, it's murder.

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veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 4:40 pm

Ya. That's BS. The nervous pathways required to feel anything don't even cost at 20 weeks.

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veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 4:45 pm

Perhaps it's you who should "do some research." Not perhaps. It is.

veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 5:22 pm

@E. It's 100% arbitrary, completely unjustified, in violation of Roe v. Wade, and infringes on the rights of the mother.

@marcel. Any arguments that aren't appeals to emotion?

chickencookie It really is
06/30/13 8:02 pm

She wants to run for governor possibly.

chinito Florida
07/01/13 5:35 am

And sadistic. Still, I am not in charge of telling everyone how to live their live.

think4yourself Not a safe space
06/30/13 9:21 pm

The liberals just throw it in a garbage can.

comppete Las Vegas
07/01/13 4:31 pm

I don't like it, and it shouldn't be allowed except in dire circumstances. But, it is not my choice.

Marcel94 Huntington Beach
06/30/13 4:43 pm

Other than the medical emergency exceptions. Come on