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Arananthi October 22nd, 2014 5:47pm

A man is legally carrying a concealed weapon daily as he takes his daughters to school. A neighbor puts up a sign announcing that fact to everyone who happens by. He asks her to stop, & cites his 2nd A. rights; she cites her 1st A. rights. Who wins?

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Torfin Never Behind
10/22/14 11:00 am

She is endangering him by making this announcement.

Of course he could put up his own sign:
Dear Thieves,
My neighbor does not own a gun. I do! You do the math.

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/22/14 11:05 am

In fact, let me be more clear on that: there is absolutely nothing, legally or otherwise, about getting a concealed carry permit that gives you any form of right to have others not know you have a concealed carry permit, or even that you're armed.

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fredd TrumpLand
10/22/14 11:15 am

Which amendment wins? Both. No need to choose here.

But the neighbor is definitely being a prick.

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Colorado303 Future Seattle Resident
10/22/14 11:21 am

Both. He keeps carrying, and she keeps her sign up

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/22/14 11:06 am

The only thing a concealed carry permit does is allow you to carry a gun without showing it off. If someone knows you have that gun, there is nothing about your permit that keeps them from telling everyone around you.

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/22/14 11:12 am

Heck, newspapers have published maps detailing where people who have concealed carry permits live. It's literally a matter of public record in 22 states. Concealed carry certainly isn't a *Constitutional* right (tinyurl.com/qz4pxtk).

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Colorado303 Future Seattle Resident
10/22/14 11:27 am

But he has the right to call her an asshole

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MrChris80 California
10/22/14 11:54 am

I voted for "her", but if I passed by that sign, Id think the "he" is cool and the "her" is a weirdo.

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/22/14 11:17 am

Meanwhile, the law makes it perfectly clear that you have no liability for publishing true, publicly-available information -- which, if he had his gun out and visible on the sidewalk (which he did), this totally is.

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ScrewU Gone
10/22/14 12:00 pm

Neither amendment even applies here.

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profligatesoul
10/22/14 12:33 pm

The neighbor pointing out he carries a concealed weapon doesn't infringe on his right to legally own and possess a weapon. 1st amendment protects from govt retaliation. No govt involved here. 1st amendment wins.

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mrdudemanpants
10/22/14 12:44 pm

It's not like the person with the sign is attempting to stop the person from carrying the gun. They're just pointing it out.

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/22/14 11:07 am

Stalking? For putting a sign up on her property using a picture she took from her property? That's ridiculous.

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andy465 Guitar Center
10/22/14 12:15 pm

He's minding his own business. She isn't minding hers

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fredd TrumpLand
10/22/14 11:17 am

I can't see how she is endangering him, but I love your sign idea. He should definitely do that!

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krayzewolf New Hampshire
10/22/14 2:16 pm

If she had the right to notify everyone he's armed, he gets to return the favor by notifying everyone she is unarmed.

That is fair play.

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GlockMan1 Alabama
10/22/14 10:57 am

He has a right to conceal carry. She does not have a right to make it known.

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swervin Maryland
10/22/14 1:27 pm

As long as Stephen King isn't involved...

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/22/14 5:44 pm

Fully agreed, actually.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/22/14 12:59 pm

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
10/22/14 1:35 pm

Glock, you are saying it's not "right" for her to do it, in what I take to be a moral or ethical sense. I agree with that. But, this poll is more about legal rights. Legally, she can put up the sign. She shouldn't, but legally, she can.

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GlockMan1 Alabama
10/22/14 1:07 pm

The whole purpose behind CONCEAL CARRY is not to alarm people who have an aversion or fear of guns. What this lady is doing is bringing fear to those people. It's that right in your opinion? I would just as soon OPEN CARRY if it doesn't matter.

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Torfin Never Behind
10/22/14 2:30 pm

Springfield Missouri. It is not uncommon for folks to open carry.

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Liberty 4,032,064
10/22/14 10:52 am

Neither are really involved, but it looks like she's guilty of harassment and perhaps stalking. The victim should press charges if it continues and should file a civil suit for any damages he incurs as a result.

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TopsQueen Oregon Coast
10/22/14 12:36 pm

Why cannot they both win. He gets the right to Carrie she gets the right to tell people.

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Liberty 4,032,064
10/22/14 10:54 am

After reading the article, it looks like crazy lady needs to check herself into a ward, also.

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Torfin Never Behind
10/22/14 5:13 pm

I remain respectful and keep my hands in plain sight. The last time we had a Deputy out was on Independence day. We had called to report suspicious trespassers. My neighbor and I were both armed openly.

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thebarr
10/22/14 12:37 pm

I'd have no problem if someone pointed out that I legally carried.

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DonWichita Kansas
10/22/14 3:24 pm

I would be inclined to buy a very nice lighted sign big enough to be seen from both sides of the street saying that "I am a gun free zone. My neighbor is a gun carrier" with a big arrow pointing to my house. Then offer it to her free installed.

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
10/22/14 1:26 pm

That's true. Neither amendment applies, because there are no government activities or entities involved. Just two private citizens.

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jvberg Winter has Come
10/22/14 12:51 pm

I mean they both can do what they want...

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achilles2340 Still Exploring Space
10/22/14 1:31 pm

Neither wins. Guy can keep CCing to the school, and the other person can keep displaying the sign.

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
10/22/14 2:10 pm

... home. For whatever reasons, tunes have changed. Whether there is more real danger OR just more perception of danger OR more awareness OR different parenting styles ... I don't know.

fredd TrumpLand
10/22/14 3:50 pm

Is there a specific way you deal with cops? On the off chance that you have an encounter with them.

MadCow True GOP
10/22/14 12:21 pm

I guess he didn't conceal well enough.

Torfin Never Behind
10/22/14 1:35 pm

The there are several ways it endangers him and his family.

It marks him as a target for anyone who would be participating in a nefarious activity: Take this guy out first!

It points him out as a person who might have expensive items in his home

Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/22/14 11:24 am

That's what I said to my wife, but the question is more supposed to be "does he have the right to make her take the sign down." I agree that neither's right is violated if the situation simply continues as-is, though.

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
10/22/14 2:18 pm

For example, our neighbor has a boy in elementary school, easy walking distance. His grandmother picks him up from school every day. Most parents take that for granted, these days. I live in a low crime neighborhood. Low, as in essentially zero!

Torfin Never Behind
10/22/14 8:35 pm

No assumptions that is her Stated Goal.

Torfin Never Behind
10/22/14 1:37 pm

that would be worth the risk to steal for those more dangerous felons.

It could make his family targets for retaliation from those more radical of the left that are anti-gun.

Colorado303 Future Seattle Resident
10/22/14 11:27 am

To answer that question, no, I don't believe he has the right to make her take it down

Torfin Never Behind
10/22/14 1:40 pm

This situation hampers his ability to protect his family. He already feels the need to escort his child(ren) personally. Sounds like a less than ideal area to begin with.

Torfin Never Behind
10/22/14 8:37 pm

I'm not even going to address your other comment as you are obviously not well versed on this subject.

Torfin Never Behind
10/22/14 1:41 pm

Actually, that IS her ultimate goal.

hrankta
10/22/14 12:29 pm

Both. Personally, I wouldn't care of someone threw a fit because I carry a gun. Unless their hysterics caused someone to get hurt.