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RepMorris November 3rd, 2013 9:33pm

Virtual Congress Vote. This bill is brought to the floor by President Trepidhickory (I). The Affordable Medicine Act is available in the comments of this poll.

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RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/05/13 5:40 am

On this vote the Yeas are 41%, the Nays are 59%. The bill is not passed.

TomM
11/04/13 6:45 pm

This poll has been open over 24 hours. There's currently 188 votes with 59% nay. I assume it fell.

pinksowner Indiana
11/03/13 6:01 pm

No funding for foreign students. The rest is broad but acceptable.

skinner Wisconsin
11/03/13 5:18 pm

Mr. President I think you had a good idea here but it is too broad for many to support. I would suggest voting on the individual sections as a way of incorporating as much as possible into law.

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dahawwl Texas
11/03/13 5:32 pm

I agree with Skinner. But, since it came for vote this way, I say yea

scubaagb
11/03/13 5:11 pm

I think the whole thing expect the paying for foreign students' schooling is great. Why are we paying for foreign students before we pay for Americans' schooling? It penalizes American students. Take that out and I'm all for it.

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trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 4:42 pm

Seriously republicans I don't believe any of you have stated reasons for voting nay at least libertarians are giving reasons

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TomM
11/03/13 6:21 pm

49% of 45 independents is almost as much as 85% of 33 Repubs. There's even a good number of Dems saying no.

NDAmerican Florida
11/03/13 4:17 pm

I support every part of this bill except the 10 year contract to work in the United States, is this constitutional, and is this right, I'm on the fence, I'll sway depending on the argument.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 4:41 pm

Its like a loan with no interest

the person can refuse the aid or they can accept amd sign an agreement to work 10 years in America, if they do they pay nothing but if they leave then they pay 10% back per year they didn't work

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 4:41 pm

They work for the practice of their choosing

NDAmerican Florida
11/03/13 5:19 pm

That sounds like a good compromise, I guess I'll be one of the only libertarians to vote yay lol

jonny323
11/03/13 3:49 pm

I do not understand how sec 01.02 works. We vote to pass it and then find out later which regulations are going to be removed?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:51 pm

In actual congress this would be decided beforehand

howver I don't have a group of experts to decide what is to be cut

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:51 pm

can I ask why?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:46 pm

I have had a couple libertarians explain their problems and I expected that what I'm not getting is why Republicans are against this and I don't think any republicans have stated their problem

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
11/03/13 3:37 pm

Section 01.02 without part (a) is the only section I support. Am I correct when it would mean abolishing the FDA? Everything else is unnecessary regulation on the medical industry.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:42 pm

1.02 without section A would in effect do that

it still will limit government regulation but keep enough to keep us safe

TomM
11/03/13 3:42 pm

I'm surprised you haven't included anything about it should be handled by the states :-)
How about 1.3. The way it was explained to me just above the proposal, it makes sense, I think it should go further but at least it's a step.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
11/03/13 3:46 pm

I don't think the government should regulate the medical industry or education. Or even touch them with a 10 foot pole.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:47 pm

The education part is only extended to schools that recieve federal funding

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
11/03/13 3:51 pm

The government shouldn't be funding them in the first place, let alone deciding how many students are admitted.

Mattwall1
11/03/13 3:51 pm

Trepid I TOLD you someone would say that!

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:27 pm

I think some people read that it was a healthcare bill and voted nay

I urge you to read the bill in full, a couple of conservatives have already voiced agreement with the bill

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skinner Wisconsin
11/03/13 3:28 pm

I am among them. This bill isn't perfect but it's a compromise and we do need healthcare reform in this country.

Mattwall1
11/03/13 3:22 pm

As party leader, I urge all democratic congress,en to vote for this bill

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skinner Wisconsin
11/03/13 3:27 pm

You can be party leader and Justice?

skinner Wisconsin
11/03/13 3:30 pm

So who will replace you? Beth?

Liberty 4,032,064
11/03/13 3:07 pm

Absolutely Nay!

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trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:12 pm

Why do you vote nay? This limits federal bureaucratic red tape amd frivolous malpractice suits

Liberty 4,032,064
11/03/13 3:14 pm

01.01 is terrible for many reasons.
I agree with 01.02 in sentiment, but is poorly written.
I disagree with .03 and .04.
I like .05.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:17 pm

What's wrong with 1.01?
Paying companies to delay the release of products does nothing but hurt our health and our wallets

1.03 merely raises the cap it does not force schools to accept more students

Liberty 4,032,064
11/03/13 3:22 pm

Morally, it is wrong to use force to make a company release a product.
Practically, it is wide open for abuse through forcing companies to release products prematurely for fear of persecution.

Liberty 4,032,064
11/03/13 3:24 pm

If a company releases a products too soon, it could harm its customers.
If a company is overly cautious, and releases a product a little later, it has now invited additional scrutiny.
It's a lose-lose proposition.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:24 pm

No it is not forcing them to release any product it is stopping companies from paying them not to

if there is no proof they were paid by another company they won't be persecuted

they can sit on the product by their owm choice if they so choose

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:25 pm

The only way they would invite scrutiny is if there is reason to believe they were paid to not release the product

for instance if they finished the product and finished testing and didn't release it but somehow still were makong money

Liberty 4,032,064
11/03/13 3:31 pm

Look at SEC and IRS investigations. Merely being *suspect* can ruin lives.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:33 pm

I was hoping to work to limit bull crap on the part of those organizations

Liberty 4,032,064
11/03/13 3:36 pm

I know, but you've got to think about things and how they will pan out before passing "feel-good" legislation. Otherwise, we end up like real congress.

spicysteve M14D SBS
11/03/13 3:01 pm

Why do you want to give scholarships to foreign people?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:01 pm

To bring them into America to practice medicine instead of them practicing it abroad

skinner Wisconsin
11/03/13 3:03 pm

Yeah Steve currently many foreigners come to America to get an education and then leave the country. We need to encourage them to stay and use their skills here.

TomM
11/03/13 3:04 pm

I don't like you want to make it a scholarship. If anything it should be a loan program like people in the US can get. Otherwise I think foreigners get an advantage over locals.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:05 pm

Technically it is a loan since they pay it back in years of medical care to Americans or in money if they leave

TomM
11/03/13 3:09 pm

Then I think it should be called a government guaranteed loan program. I'm not a big supporter of those programs, but since there is a shortage of doctors and it looks like it could get a lot worse in the future, I will support that.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:10 pm

Scholarship was just the wording I used in this instance thay was my fault

TomM
11/03/13 3:11 pm

OK, no problem. It looks like it's going to be close here. I'm still considering.

LT224 AZ
11/03/13 2:57 pm

Yea with the exception of section 01.04

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:03 pm

The scholarship will be paid back in years of medical service to American citizens or in money paid if they don't practice in America

LT224 AZ
11/03/13 3:16 pm

But if they were to pay back that fee and not stay, then they just got a premiere education for way cheaper that normal. That fee should equal that of the cost of their education or more so by choosing not to stay.

LT224 AZ
11/03/13 3:18 pm

I mean, I agree with and would vote yes for this bill. However this section, 01.04, breaks it for me.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:19 pm

if they leave immediately they pay back all the money if they stay a year they pay back 90% of they stay 2 years 80%

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:21 pm

So the whole point is they either pay us back in medical service or in money if they leave

Most probably won't leave after 10 years practicing medicine

LT224 AZ
11/03/13 3:25 pm

With that specified, I agree with the bill. A suggested amendment to this bill should also give more prospective medical students who are American, like me, more financial assistance and educational help from high school, college and med school.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:26 pm

I plan to include that in a later education bill

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 2:49 pm

Can I ask why republicans don't support this bill?

I thought you would love cutting government red tape and malpractice suits

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Mattwall1
11/03/13 2:52 pm

I also want to know

skinner Wisconsin
11/03/13 3:01 pm

I myself am interested in why they don't like it.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 2:42 pm

This bill cuts government red tape and stops price fixing

it will also lower medical costs for our citizens and get more trained doctors in our country to help lower prices and help our citizens

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Mattwall1
11/03/13 2:38 pm

Bte everyone: I had to get a new Skype account. I am now Mattwall1 SOH so please add me

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Mattwall1
11/03/13 2:46 pm

I know you don't. But for others who haven't

USA1st
11/03/13 2:48 pm

Ok, will do.

Mattwall1
11/03/13 2:37 pm

May I dub this TrepidCare?

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skinner Wisconsin
11/03/13 2:44 pm

I don't see anything wrong with it so I voted yay. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. My views on healthcare are not very strong so I'm probably going to change my vote after a conservative explains to me why it's bad.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 2:45 pm

Tbis bill cuts bureaucratic red tape and malpractice suits

the only "liberal" parts are the scholarship and anti price fixing sections

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 2:47 pm

Amd even then the scholarship will be paid back in (profitable) years of service as a medical practitioner or by paying it back if they leave the country

skinner Wisconsin
11/03/13 2:48 pm

Trepid: Whats the reasoning behind the section prohibiting people from paying others to not release medical technology? Btw thanks for not making good on your single payer idea.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 2:51 pm

that was vincere who supported single payer not me :P

currently brand name pharmaceutical companies pay generic companies to delay releasing the same product so they cam charge severely marked up prices

in my mind this is a form of price fixing and needs to be stopped

Mattwall1
11/03/13 3:01 pm

Trepid, should there be price regulations in medications in your opinion?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:07 pm

Not government price limiting no

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:08 pm

To limit the number of practicing doctors so their services will be worth more

Mattwall1
11/03/13 3:09 pm

Ok. I hope prices don't go too high, although they are already, I still support this either way though

MJSeals J.D.
11/03/13 2:36 pm

Nay to 1.03 some schools cannot fit anymore students

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MJSeals J.D.
11/03/13 2:37 pm

Nay to A what if the student wants to change his major?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 2:39 pm

They can apply for more scholarships if they switch their major this scholsrship is for medical srudents only there are thousands of scholarships made for inly certain majors

and the schools can have more students in the programs but they put a cap to keep the number of active doctors low

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 2:43 pm

And just because the cap is raised doesn't mean they need to use all of it

TomM
11/03/13 2:57 pm

Can you explain the purpose of 1.3 to me please?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:01 pm

Right now public medical schools have a cap on the number of students they can accept into the program in order to keep the number of doctors low which raises prices

this will raise the cap but does not force them to accept students

TomM
11/03/13 3:06 pm

I was not aware of that rule, that's just crazy. Can I ask why they have that rule?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:10 pm

It limits the number of practicing doctors which raises the value of their services

TomM
11/03/13 3:11 pm

But that's just crazy. No wonder healthcare is so expensive.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 3:15 pm

That's just a single reason

insurance for doctors is high due to malpractice suits

drugs/medical equipment cost more due to delayed release of generic prodcuts

redsox95 New England
11/03/13 2:35 pm

No. Medicine product is too general.

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trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/03/13 2:40 pm

A medical product is any product made to be used for medical purposes

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:34 pm

Section 01.01 It is hereby illegal to pay a person/company to not release a medical product.
(a) If you are found guilty of attempting to delay the release of a medical product both parties will face charges to be determined, but they will include a

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RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:34 pm

fine not exceeding 120% of the offer made to delay the product, and not below 80% for each party.

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:34 pm

Section 01.02 Federal red tape concerning the creation and manufacture of medical products shall be removed.

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:35 pm

(a) A panel of medical professionals, private sector experts, and government representatives will determine what shall be removed in order to more quickly and cheaply manufacture medical goods while still keeping our citizens safe.

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:35 pm

Section 01.03 Medical Schools that receive government funding must raise the cap on medical students per year to a level agreed upon by a panel of the heads of medical schools both public and private.

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:36 pm

Section 01.04 A federal scholarship will be created to pay for eligible foreign students to attend American medical schools in full.

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:36 pm

(a) To receive the scholarship the student must sign a form promising to practice medicine in the United States for at least 10 years after graduation.

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:36 pm

(i) In cases of emergencies the scholarship receivers may move back home, however if they do not plan to return to America they must pay a portion of the scholarship not to exceed -10% per year of

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:36 pm

to exceed -10% per year of medicine practiced in the United States. (if they practice medicine for 5 years after gradutation the payment back cannot exceed 50%, 60% for 4 years practiced, 40% for 6 years practiced, etc.

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:37 pm

Section 01.05 Frivolous malpractice suits will be cracked down upon.
(a) A board of medical professionals, and medical law experts will determine cases of righteous malpractice and frivolous malpractice suits that judges will use to determine the

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/03/13 2:37 pm

validity of malpractice cases.