Show of Hands

Someone has to work for your housing and it should be you. If you don’t work, it’s not the responsibility of the rest of society to make sure you have a middle class lifestyle at everyone else’s expense

You’re more likely to be homeless and imprisoned than a millionaire. I think you should think of humanity and not money. Who cares about money. All of humanity should be taken care of.

Mountain, do you have a job?

Yes. Thankfully. Job market is pretty dry rn.

Well we won’t be getting it, so you won’t have to worry.

lol how is it not real money? If the program was funded by tax dollars, it’s as real as any other type of revenue.

Think about it. When the government gave out free money during covid shut downs it drove prices up as people had more money and there were less goods to be offered. Supply and demand.

The only way this would raise prices is if SOME companies wanted to take advantage of the major uptick in consumer spending as a conscious decision. The mechanism itself isn’t going to do that. And as expected, people spent the money on basic needs anyway. People still bought groceries. They still paid their rent.

It is incredibly basic economics.
The more money you pump into the system, the less valuable it is. The less valuable it is, the higher prices get.

The left does not understand basic economics.

Lol if your logic for any government spending made sense, our economy would have crashed long ago. Of course what would ultimately separate UBI is that it would boost consumer spending. Every dollar lost in government revenue is replaced with a net gain of cents on the dollar.

Um no.
There is a massive difference between the government just handing out money and people producing services and product products for money.
I understand this logic escapes you.
People like you seem to think government is the answer to everything. The government screws up nearly everything it touches.

FYI the only reason our economy has not crashed is because the US dollar is the world reserve currency.
Once faith has been lost in the US dollar, economy will crash.

Lol government spending is government spending. Either it’s paid for by tax revenue. It could also be borrowed like government spending often is, but it’s still no different than spending money on the defense budget. The difference here is that it’s being used for consumer spending.

And no, I don’t think government can solve anything. I would much prefer we have a private economy that gives everyone a decent standard of living. In this hypothetical however, UBI would be a necessity.

How long ago was it that the government spent a taxpayer dollar in real time?

You are yet again and demonstrating how little you know.

What exactly do you think happens to tax revenue once it is collected?

Answer the question

Lol I’m not even sure what real time is supposed to mean. Like they immediately give a program a dollar? Never but who cares?

So you don't understand the concept of real time revenue and bill pay.
Here's a clue. If you are behind on your credit cards, it's not real time.

Again, I'm talking about basic economics. Apparently it's a lost cause to discuss this with you. You seem to think we can just print as much money as we want with no consequences. That is not how the world works.
Unfortunately, your mentality is not unique with you. A lot of leftist to think like you.

Lol when did I ever say we can print unlimited money? You people say the dumbest shit

You believe the dumbest shit.
And everything that I said, that is the only thing you have to say. That says more about you than it does me.

“The only way this would raise prices is if SOME companies wanted to take advantage of the major uptick in consumer spending as a conscious decision.”

If people have more money to buy what they want, but the manufacturers can’t keep up with demand then they have no choice but to raise prices to slow sales. That’s how it works. Did you ever run a lemonade stand? If I have only one thing and a lot of people want it. And they have a lot of money. They can bid on it in an auction. Now did the seller raise the price or did the price go up due to demand?

“Universal Basic Income (UBI) causes inflation primarily when it increases the money supply without a corresponding increase in economic output or when demand for goods exceeds available supply. If UBI is financed by printing new money (deficit spending) rather than through taxes that remove money from circulation, it injects excess purchasing power into the economy, driving prices up. Additionally, if the economy is already at full employment or capacity, a sudden surge in consumer demand from UBI recipients can outpace the ability of businesses to produce goods, leading to price increases.”

Get it now?

I would not put money on it.

The government is more likely to add UBI on top of existing welfare rather than replace it, especially given current political incentives. Many UBI pilot programs in the U.S. are designed as supplements to existing benefits, ensuring recipients don’t lose access to essential services like food stamps (SNAP) or Medicaid. This approach avoids the political backlash that would come from eliminating established programs.

Lol you people are so incredibly dense. BA you are completely shifting the goal posts. You originally talked about the money from the Covid shut down - not UBI. Even with that quote about UBI, it refers to specific circumstances economically on how it is paid for.

I myself dont even want UBI. I am simply saying that under this hypothetical, it would be necessary.

Well. Sorry. Yes. Two subjects. But similar in that they give out government money and cause inflation. They can’t pay for what they have now without printing money so giving out more will have to come from somewhere. You can’t tax more or people will lose jobs. You can only take so much out of the economy before the system breaks down. And besides. It doesn’t really matter if you raise taxes because the tax revenue doesn’t change. It stays around 20% of GDP. When it was 90% it was still 20%.

Here is the sad part.
Ultraliberal has inept understanding of economics and it's showing a lack of aptitude to adapt.
The bigger AI gets, the closer to being screwed ultraliberal is as well as the people like ultraliberal.

I loved macroeconomics in school. But I’m not an economist. Just a business major with a duel degree in aviation science and aviation management. But I’m surprised how many people think that we can just tax our way out of our problems and then give away money to make themselves feel good about themselves. Charity at the end of a gun is not moral.

Here is a great lesson from the professor on macroeconomics. It’s not long and will straighten out liberals myths about the debt. youtu.be/EPjrFjAxwlw?si=_FrJfVFJuBvQRHIK

Capitalism is a lie. It’s about control. If we were truly free we’d not have to rely on corporations to live. Put up with them or be imprisoned.

So what’s the answer to the question?

Lmao cope.

A realist.

And how exactly would they adapt?

It's called getting new skills. Something that is a little over your head.

lol for jobs that either don’t exist or jobs with skyrocketing competition? Wow what a master plan!

People like you don't rise to the challenge and adapt.
I have had to do it many times.

lol it doesn’t at all matter what I do. Even if I ended up homeless begging for change you would still be wildly wrong.

There you go. Homeless begging for a change.

There are people like you that do that. And there are people like me that rise to the occasion and adapt.

Think more of yourself! Come on!
What I'm talking about is not unique to me.

Just spitting platitudes with no real argument. If you have 300 million people and only 175 million jobs available what happens to the 125 million without jobs. Assuming a conservative 10 percent are smart and capable people willing to work that’s 12.5 million capable people with no stake in society. That’s 12.5 million people who are going to use their time and energy to work against society. The negative externalities and economic costs from not paying UBI would be much worse than paying UBI. Your belief system is completely impractical and shortsighted.

Lol peej I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people including me have jobs. You aren’t tough and manly for having one like everyone else.

You guys are sad.
You say I'm not tough or manly for having a job.
A man adapts to take care of his family.

All this talk about jobs being exterminated and having no hope is a bunch of nonsense.

You two can keep them mentality.
The more for the rest of us that adapt.

See a real tough guy does not gloat about such things. He has the humility to just quietly accept a man has to provide for his family without needing to say it out loud. He doesn’t seek validation from the internet. He just does it.

He of course also understands the vast majority of people have jobs regardless of whether or not a person has a family to provide for lol

You talked about being a man and I corrected you.
Be a snowflake somewhere else.

Life is tough. Don't be a noodle.

As I said before. You guys can keep with your mentality. More for the rest of us.

On the flip side... It could be very low. The price of many items should go down.

Housing shouldn't be an issue... Cars shouldn't be an issue... Food shouldn't be an issue... Entertainment certainly won't be a problem...

It's going to be very different in 2050... Very different.

Cope. You really think corporations would let congress help Americans?

Pretty sure oxygen is required for me to breathe

That’s…not what that means.

Cope.

Agree, JMG. All major technological changes — automobiles replacing horses a clear example— end up creating new jobs and industries.

That’s the cool part, they aren’t.
-quote from some movie, idk.

Apparently a meme.

We’ll die.

Note how AI can easily contradict itself somewhat, depending on the prompt you feed it:

g.co/gemini/share/7267a456615d

That boils down to the popular wisdom: "when there is a will, there is a way..."

AI has no intrinsic "will" just yet. Watch out when it acquires one!

AI reflecting on its own limitations:

g.co/gemini/share/e832025a3e1f

... motricity, precise, purposeful movements and spacial autonomy needed for blue collar jobs aren't truly part of its actual limitations. Far from that.

I am confident the military will seek to shorten the gap, without even thinking twice, on our oligarchs whim, thus committing humanity's suicide.

.. we already know for sure they aren't concerned the least with ethics ...

On a side note, Larry Ellison is suppressing 30,000 white collar jobs at Oracle as we speak, to refocus on AI...

.... and he won't forget to pay raise himself and his top execs in the process, as a good self pat on the back for a job well done!

www.stocktitan.net/sec-filings/ORCL/8-k-a-oracle-corp-amends-material-event-report-007ac9804b67.html

I really don’t like that I can see valid points in your comments.

Sorry about that 🫣

lol, just saying.

g.co/gemini/share/c05cca20a0b9

Cope.

Terminator? 😁

Religion is so sexist!

Or Christ would have to finally come again to end all that suffering...

4JC. Then your answer to U

Sorry, your answer to UBI is “yes” if your going to double men’s income.

JMG, this has nothing to do with religion. I felt that way before I met Jesus and started attending church.

I knew way back in the early 70’s that the ERA was going to end up giving women that wanted to work outside the home choices, but taking away choices from those that wanted to stay home with their kids.

That is EXACTLY what has happened and there are now MILLIONS of young women that would rather stay home with their kids but feel like they can’t pay the bills without that 2nd income.

Sorry, I meant to address that to ohm!

No, JMG, I meant that companies should pay twice for men what they’re paying now because they wouldn’t have to pay the women…the AI could take over their jobs.

BUT, if it took UBI for women to stay home with their kids, I would be all for it. I think that’s one of the major problems in the downfall of our country. Kids aren’t getting time with their parents, and so we have entire generations of young adults that are starved for attention and that’s how you end up with them out in the streets in blue wigs, crawling on the ground to protest.

Companies pay for the value workers provide. They are never going to pay people twice their current salaries, all the while alsonpaying for AI, which while cheaper for better and reliable value, does not come for free. That is just a pipe dream.

Well then, people might have to get used to living on half of what they do now. We did it when we were young. We didn’t expect to have all that young people do today.

... or people will have to find niches of activity for themselves until AI can do it all, at which point an entirely new economical system must replace the current monetary one based on work compensation, for humanity to keep growing. Otherwise it might shrink down to the "elite", read the plutocrats themselves, and eventually disappear.

Also, if Alabama is such a nest of Royalists, why didn't they stick with the United Kingdom? It is never too late, for Christ's sake ;-)

I don’t believe that AI will ever do it ALL. I also believe that this is going to lead to major depression, especially among men that get their fulfillment from their jobs more-so than women that get a major part of their fulfillment from their families.

I don’t understand what you mean by AL and royalists, or the UK.

Makes two of us: I don't understand why people may be furiously opposed to the No Kings protests, to the point of debating fortuitous schedule conflicts with religious events.

I know very many women for whom their careers are as important as those of men in their lives. It is a matter of personal preference and freedom; not for you or me to judge.

... and then there is the matter of abused women. Why should they get shackled to their abusers, as opposed to be able to break free and become independent?

Finally, here is a curiosity:

g.co/gemini/share/c05cca20a0b9

AI on its own limitations.

So you’re not going to explain what you mean by the royalist comment?

We’re opposed because Trump is nowhere near a king. Most of Congress fights everything he tries to do.

And it shouldn’t be hard to understand after liberals have mocked Christians with their transgender Lord’s Supper and transgender nuns, and their continuous attacks on Christians’ free speech.

I’m not judging. It’s a proven fact that most men are more fulfilled by their jobs and most women are more fulfilled by their families.

No one said anything about abused women, so I don’t know where you’re getting that from.

All I am trying to say about women is that one cannot generalize and force them all into the MAGA patriarcal ideology, nor keep them out of professional careers and preferably in child rearing activities for the benefit of men squeezed out of their jobs by AI developments.

I suspect that all derives from some antiquated view defined by a will to expand the Legions of Christ on Earth, dangerously similar to Islamist proselytism.

No one is talking about FORCING anything. But a return to a parent staying home with the kids would be a good change.

And this has nothing to do with religion. It’s been proven that kids without a dad in the picture are more likely to end up in prison and that kids need both parents. The more time parents can spend with kids, the better.

Oh look, I was raised by a single mother and never had any brush up with cops... (well, except for that one time when the commandant de gendarmerie returned my lost wallet, with a picture of his daughter in it ;-)

Looks like those that go to trade school instead of college are going to be the winners, here!

Houses can be 3D printed nowadays...

So we’ll just tear down all the buildings that currently exist? They will need repairs and maintenance as long as they do exist.
Just saw Olaf, the robotic snowman at Disney, malfunction and fall over backwards—on the news. 😁

Twas only a glitch in the matrix...

Although homes can be 3D printed, it can't be done without the help of the good 'ole fashioned humanoid.

... first the time being. Enjoy while it lasts. Here is the kicker: when it happens, houses won't be needed anymore ;-)

You probably recall (hearing or reading) that before 1900, the vast majority of people worked in ag.
I can't pretend to know what all is going to transpire (nor can any honest person here), but it seems American workers have always adapted in the past.