I said “yes” but that would require we really care to stick around a while to help Iran establish a more stable government. Nation building is a long term commitment and not one I think Trump or most Americans care to do frankly.
I don’t think America will forget the censorship and social media bans of the left or Bidens vaccine mandates or calls for vaccine ids. The left isn’t strong at all this midterms. NATO just backed Trump this week in Iran. It would be an empty impeachment but the left already has 2 of them recently so one more won’t hurt
The left doesn’t have a leg to stand on economic issues. Border issues. War. Regime change. Nothing. They have no higher ground no moral ground and no fucking sense otherwise
I’m fine with higher gas prices. I drive an EV and I do t care how expensive gas becomes. However I don’t like those benefiting are often the countries who hate our way of life (countries in the Middle East, Russia and so on) and there’s a risk the whole world will be hurt by this and go into a recession. I work at a food company and we’re looking at how much our costs will go up and it’s only going to get worse the longer this goes on.
This isn't against Iran or Iranians, its against a nuclear armed theocratic dictatorship who has been threatening nuclear action against Israel and the West. Its about free access through the Straight of Hormuz a key waterway to the Persian Gulf that supplies the world with natural resources. Its about a free Iranian people, not being controlled by an extremist religious group. 80% of Iran does not support the violent government and if you have been listening to American-Iranians who left the country during the Diaspora in the 70s and 80s when that extremist regime took over, this is a good thing that needs to happen. This is about taking out one of Russias strategic partnerships in its conquest to physically take out the Western countries of Europe. Trump is the wrong president for the job but at the right time. We might not get another chance at this.
I am against any theocracy, particularly those that fake democratic processes to favor in practice a specific religion and directly derive their laws and justice from particular religious writings; not just Iran.
Should we then also go after Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Yemen, Qatar, Pakistan, etc, and in fact, most of the Middle East, including Israel?
Self determination is defined as
"The right of a people to freely determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development."
Btw I agree Israel is not a theocracy. Yet it does share a few elements with those, example given above, that thankfully most western democraties distanced themselves from, for good reasons, for many centuries now, namely when parting from any particular state sanctioned religion and proclaming a separation of state and church.
Perhaps. Beats me. It feels like one of those situations where you beg forgiveness rather than ask permission.
The longer they wait, the more other outside influences will try to influence. I have no idea. I hope they have a plan and basing my entire grounding here on the precision of the attacks they have made thus far, I'm hoping they do actually have a plan.
The world is at their mercy right now. Its not a comfy place to be.
I was listening to a military podcast I follow. They had a couple of staff officers on it. One was Army. The other navy it USMC. Can't remember which. Anyhow, they were talking about how there were plans drawn up around desert storm on how to take control of Kharg island, and that is the marines are given that mission, they have an "off the shelf mission plan" to do so.
I find that really scary. If we take that, we're in for the long long haul.
Just reread what you wrote. My first thought was "I wonder if the reason they've been so successful is they're using"off the shelf" plans drawn up by Gen Powell et al in the early 90s?
These plans have been decades in the making. Yeah, I think its obvious that this has been planned for a long time. Trump just happens to be in office, he isn't calling the shots.
Both Iran and Ukraine are proxy wars with Russia. Its the way we have fought them for half a century, through proxies. You can't have two nuclear capable countries fight each other head on or they will just resort to nukes.
Gas prices hit $5 because there was an extreme demand surge as lockdowns ended and the pandemic economy ended. It sucked, and was really hard on everyone, but there was a reason for it.
How funny republicans are willing to bend over and take expensive gas because Trump was the one to make it happen.
We shouldn’t have let the mullahs control Iran for the last 47 years. It’s long past time for them to go, if I have to pay $1 more per gallon of gas for a couple months, that’s well worth the price.
Sure. And also the so called emirs, kings and crown princes or neighboring countries, for all to similar abuses of human rights and individual freedoms, particularly women's and lgbtq, in the name of Allah and Mohammed. Oh, and their roles in repeat attacks on the Western world and its way of life, notably on 9/11/2001. And perhaps Israel too, for the undue, overly potent influence of the religious, Jewish law (Alakha), and of the ultra orthodox over its internal public affairs, its foreign policies, namely influencing US politics, and recently, its increasingly expansionist stance (namely its complacency and complicity upon violences committed by settlers)
Consistency is key. Ignore them all or chastize them all. Can't play favorites with religious extremists, unless of course one has ulterior motives, possibly some natural resource grab and/or some major face/ass saving conendrum.
This question is a false dichotomy. We're not going to be able to bring down that regime without serious commitment on our part.
If you want regime change in Iran, you're going to have to invade and occupy, probably for a decade or longer. This war CANNOT be won from the air. If you want to invade and occupy, you're going to have to do some very unpleasant things that most Americans won't tolerate or vote for. I'm talking mobilizing the entire Guard and reserves, a military draft, wartime rationing, et cetera.
Then your answer is no. Regimes are in place until they are not. No one thought Egypt would fall during the Arab Spring, but it did without outside invasion. It is up to the people of Iran to ultimately fight for their freedom, if they don't, we shouldn't either.
With all the stupid infrastructure damage throughout the Middle East it will likely be higher for 5-10 years or possibly longer. And inflation will follow the same likely. No thought on issues on behalf of this destructive administration. They care about no one except themselves…
No … why should I care about another country’s politics/government? That is up to the country’s citizens to decide - not Netanyahu and Trump.
I don’t want our money over there.
I don’t want our military over there.
I don’t want the MAGA Cult running OUR country. Bunch of lying losers.
Fully agree. Sustainable regime change is rarely successful when initiated by outside forces. In any event, Iran is 7,000 miles away. There's no logical reason for us to be anywhere near that region.
I would agree if Iran hadn't funded terrorism; their policy is "death to America," and they are a threat to the world and the whole region. They could not be allowed to get nuclear weapons, and after the war they will be severely degraded and not a direct threat for years.
If the Iranian regime falls, they could become like Iraq, which is no longer a threat to their neighbors, including the USA.
Not sure what it's worth, but I had an Iranian friend who immigrated to the US. He said, roughly, "I hate my country's government, but 'death to [something]' is just a common phrase. It's like our 'fuck you.'"
Take it how you will, but he said it's been poorly translated for years.
We brought down a democratically elected Iranian government back in 1953 and look what happened since then! The United States and Great Britain are responsible for most of the Middle East problems we have today!
It is relatively easy to bring down a regime. It is just as likely that the new regime will be worse than the old regime.
Regime change has been proven to be a costly and failed policy for the United States.
Exactly. I would add that regime change in general is rarely successful when initiated by outside actors. The only sustainable regime change has to come from the people IN that country.
Almost anything is better than the current theocratic regime that funds terror and murder across the world. It couldn't really get more extreme.
Regimes are in place until they are not. No one thought Egypt would fall during the Arab Spring, but it did without outside invasion. It is up to the people of Iran to ultimately fight for their freedom, if they don't, we shouldn't either.
Ebola, now you're all about charity? What about HIV drugs for people at risk of AIDS? What about the feminine hygiene products and peanut butter bars that were destroyed instead of sending them out. What happened to opposing the death penalty for being gay in some African countries?
Don't talk to me about humanitarian actions through war while your chosen government has gutted real humanitarian action.
Support my allegations? Were you asleep during the DOGE cuts? And illegal sharing of private information...
It was kind of big news that we gutted USAID and put Marco in charge of a now defunct agency just to say the congressionally approved agency still exists.
Or wait. I get it Ebola. Y'all humanitarianism is shown through bombs that kill and maim thousands of citizens because they want to be done with their government.
And ours is the stupid idea of helping people live better lives, be stronger and more financially independent. Have you seen the rates of HIV of some countries. Can't revolt if everyone's sick and hungry--hmm something about the sick part made me think of the US..
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