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trepidhickory November 2nd, 2013 5:58pm

There is a group of gorillas, each with the intelligence of a human genius, they can communicate as well as any human with sign language and they express their emotions. 1 day the group asks for the same rights as humans. Should we give them rights?

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ozzy
11/03/13 6:03 am

If they are sentient, then yes. Also not ours to give

b4mytime Orange County, CA
11/03/13 12:51 am

Those of you saying "They're not human," why don't you stop and think why we find ourselves so special. Is it really just the cold fact of human genetics, or is it our traits? Well, if apes start showing the same traits, then why not include them?

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susanr Colorado
11/02/13 4:15 pm

If the understand language, and have the consciousness to understand rights and to communicate that they want the same rights that we have, it would be only right for us to sit down and talk with them, instead of just making a snap decision as

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susanr Colorado
11/02/13 4:17 pm

some of us seem to have done here, to dismiss them because they're not "human."

These are beings with consciousness. If you don't believe in god, perhaps you could think of them as fellow animals that have evolved consciousness. If you do believe

susanr Colorado
11/02/13 4:19 pm

in God, ask yourself what God would want you to do. Maybe God created them for a reason. Do you really think God would want you to destroy them, as at least one of us suggests?

What does it say about US if we don't sit down & talk with them?

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
11/02/13 12:30 pm

Nope. They're not humans.

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think4yourself Not a safe space
11/02/13 6:14 pm

Dave just because you smell like an ape......

Just sayin

DavesNotHere where am I
11/02/13 6:20 pm

Are you saying I smell? I took a shower just last month.

Axl752 NY
11/03/13 12:11 am

But they are a life form as intelligent as us. I say give them the same rights.

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
11/03/13 1:32 pm

Goodness. I hope you guys never get into office. It's bad enough that folks want to give illegals rights. Now you want to give gorillas rights?!?

think4yourself Not a safe space
11/02/13 11:50 am

Don't give the liberals any ideas. They will want to marry a gorilla soon.

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Mattwall1
11/02/13 11:51 am

No we won't, and are you really that paranoid that you'd think we'd force you to marry someone or something? That's not how we operate at all

think4yourself Not a safe space
11/02/13 11:56 am

No. You will demand we pay for your condoms and diseases you get from your gorilla sex.

Mattwall1
11/02/13 11:57 am

I dint see anyone marrying gorillas in the first place. Maybe gorilla on gorilla but I don't Steven see that to be honest

rolltribe Ohio
11/02/13 12:05 pm

Typical conservative. Thinks advocating for equality is a bad thing and exaggerates the situation

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
11/02/13 12:15 pm

Typical liberal...thinking animals are people.

Mattwall1
11/02/13 12:25 pm

They aren't people. According to the question though the inky difference is an extra pair of chromosomes making them gorillas

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
11/02/13 12:58 pm

Not just them, I don't care what you do with a gorilla, why do you care what anyone does with a talking gorilla?

Mattwall1
11/02/13 1:00 pm

Personally as long as they aren't overly cruel to it pet them it isn't human. But for the sale of the question they are basically semi human. It's odd and very difficult to deal with

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
11/02/13 1:20 pm

If it's difficult to deal with, then don't be with a gorilla, simple, or is it too weird to imagine anyone being with a gorilla and therefore we as a society should protect them from their immoral selves?

Mattwall1
11/02/13 1:24 pm

The legality and moral issues are difficult simply because we've never really come across this. So healthy I can't tell you. They aren't human so in that sense no but at the same time they are basically human in all but the fact they aren't human

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
11/02/13 2:42 pm

And all I'm saying is you don't like having relations with gorillas then don't, but don't take away others happiness. I can't say that I want to sleep with a gorilla, but I'd like to keep that option open just in case

think4yourself Not a safe space
11/02/13 6:13 pm

Matt. You don't think gorilla lovers should have equal rights as you? You are just not progressive enough.

Mattwall1
11/02/13 6:14 pm

If there is someone that loves one of these gorillas i suppose. As far as I know that isn't part of the scenario and as far as I know humans haven't ever been sexually oriented to want to have sex with gorillas

EmWalt Meet Jim the Duck
11/02/13 11:32 am

What if we had to pass an IQ test to be considered human? I can think of so many people that would be living in the wild...

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EmWalt Meet Jim the Duck
11/02/13 11:30 am

It sounds to me like they're hairy humans with high IQs. Right?

PoOtiUs SoCal
11/02/13 11:28 am

We better or they may turn on us. Last thing you wanna do is piss of a group of genius' that can rip you limbs off.

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rolltribe Ohio
11/02/13 11:33 am

Exactly, let the wookiee win

FollowYourBliss Never Happy, Ever After
11/02/13 11:27 am

So they're essentially hairy human geniuses?...

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/02/13 11:30 am

with fists the size of hams amd strength beyond any human and bones that are extremely hard to break

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
11/02/13 12:32 pm

.50 caliber should do the trick.

glashberg Wave when you flyover
11/02/13 11:18 am

Just to preface for the people that are confused as to how people can say no, please refer back to the SOH Evolution question and remember that a significant portion of our population believes that humans were created to be above all other creatures.

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pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
11/02/13 12:33 pm

We were. If you're uncomfortable with superiority, then that's a shame.

Ebola1 Florida
11/02/13 11:16 am

I'd kill them before they got too uppity.

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trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/02/13 11:17 am

have you seen how much damage gorillas could take? those things are tough

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/02/13 11:21 am

So are cruise missiles.

Ebola1 Florida
11/02/13 11:39 am

OK but I'd only give them rights if Tony let them on SOH.

MisterE Conservistan
11/02/13 11:15 am

By definition, these gorillas would be people. Denying them the same rights as humans would be the same as imprisoning any other person without justification.

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sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
11/02/13 12:24 pm

By DNA they are still primates, regardless of intelligence. Now, if we can get them to pay taxes...

kscott516 EB rules
11/02/13 2:54 pm

Lol, you have a skewed definition of a human. Like chromosomes?

MisterE Conservistan
11/02/13 3:33 pm

A person is not the same as a human. Humans are a species. A person is just a being with certain mental capacities.

kscott516 EB rules
11/02/13 6:09 pm

Have you lost your mind? NOBODY would say a person is just a "being with certain mental capacities." Except apparently you.

rolltribe Ohio
11/02/13 11:11 am

An advanced alien species arrives and notices we communicate in our own language and function just as they do. Should they give us rights?

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rolltribe Ohio
11/02/13 11:12 am

Let's not have a double standard. Denying the guerrillas rights would just be racism. You can't justify your superiority over something that is no different than us other than looks

rolltribe Ohio
11/02/13 11:15 am

Just realized I said guerrillas... Smh lol

*gorillas

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/02/13 11:16 am

Haha that's what part 2 of this question was going to concern

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
11/02/13 12:34 pm

A bunch of aliens aren't going to take away my rights.

rolltribe Ohio
11/02/13 12:39 pm

It's just an analogy. And the indians thought that of the Europeans

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/02/13 11:10 am

If they are as smart as geniuses and can communicate effectively and show emotion I can't see why we shouldn't give them rights seeing as how that's more than some humans can do

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Userperson merry passover
11/02/13 11:01 am

If they are functionally human beings...

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trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/02/13 11:09 am

In this hypothetical situation the only thing distinguishing them from humans is the fact that they are a different species