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DerekWills October 31st, 2013 4:02pm

I want to start a movement to call for the repeal of the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act (which bans full auto). I'm going to need help though. Can I count on you?

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DavesNotHere where am I
10/31/13 1:05 pm

Absolutely not. You don't need an automatic weapon.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 9:07 pm

You don't know that for sure. On top of that, you don't need to assemble publicly or to voice your political opinion, but our rights are not contingent upon need in this nation.

Fjolsvin Midgard
10/31/13 12:51 pm

Sign me up. Just followed you mate.

EarlyBird Portland
10/31/13 11:15 am

You don't need me. Looks like you have a lot of support :-)

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/31/13 11:19 am

But I really want your support... :-(

Zimmeress Make Me Laugh
10/31/13 10:09 am

I agree they shouldn't be sold at Wal-Mart. But if you through the hoops/paperwork you can have one legally. Anywhere. As it should be, hard to get but still available. We have friends that use them on their ranches for pig hunting and basic fun.

Zimmeress Make Me Laugh
10/31/13 10:12 am

In addition, you need to be trained in how to fire one. Those things (even by accident) will fling a small person around if not handled properly. Dangerous, but if you have adequate training, why not own one?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/31/13 10:15 am

But it's not the governments business if I own one or not. It's the responsibility of the citizen to make sure they are proficient in its use.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:16 am

Recoil is actually not all that strong. It would be uncomfortable for her, but my 12-year-old sister could handle the recoil of my .30-06 Garand being bump-fired. Anything in 5.56 NATO would be cake to her.

epicduo
10/31/13 9:25 am

Why don't you gun us just go out and kill everyone who doesn't like guns, then you don't have to worry about people disagreeing with you.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 9:37 am

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 9:38 am

Because we're morally upright folk who care about individual liberty and personal rights.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 9:11 am

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/31/13 9:20 am

We also came to a compromise with a great idea of which we both agreed.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 9:36 am

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 9:41 am

Gotta disagree, Nemacyst. You don't know that no civilian has a valid reason for an automatic firearm, and you're not qualified or given authority to make that decision for everybody. Or, for that matter, anyone but yourself.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 9:50 am

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:03 am

Say you live near the southern border at a spot where the cartels like to move product. You may need full auto firepower some night, just to make sure your kids see the sunrise.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:04 am

You could shoot it off your front porch if you've got a lot of land, but why is the range an invalid choice anyways?

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:05 am

If automatics were legal in my state, I'd shoot them at the local gravel pit, where everyone shoots everything else.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:13 am

See, if a soldier can handle an automatic weapon, so can a civilian.

If there's a military application for automatic rifles, unfortunate as it may be, there is a civilian application too.

And then we can get into constitutional discussions...

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 10:23 am

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:33 am

Wide area brush clearing, just like they were used for in 'Nam.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 10:40 am

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:50 am

Daisy Cutters are fuses. The bombs were commando vaults, and they were functionally identical to FAE bombs. The difference was just one of chemistry.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 10:52 am

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:52 am

DU rounds are very useful for punching holes in armor, (just like the military) which it is not unthinkable that a civilian might ever have to do.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:52 am

The only application that comes to mind for nuclear arms is as a deterrent to tyrannical governments who also have nukes (which is exactly what the military used them for last century.)

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:54 am

Now...

You get to explain how ANY of this questioning is relevant to the issue at hand, namely: do you have the right to rule out automatic arms for civilian ownership?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 10:56 am

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 11:02 am

The practical civilian application for automatic weapons is IDENTICAL to the military one: suppressive fire.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/31/13 11:06 am

I hate to jump in considering we're best bros, but just because you don't see a practical civilian application, who are you to decide if someone else does see one? And if they were already legal, would you call for their ban?

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 11:18 am

Exactly, DA. You can't say for certain that no civilian will ever need to lay down suppressive fire, and you can't claim that military veterancy gives you magical abilities to control automatics that civilians don't have.

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knetzere Illinois
10/31/13 12:34 pm

Oh man I would totally carry a sword. Most impractical box and letter opener but worth it in style points

Sorry to revive this just for that

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 9:04 pm

You can carry a sword here in Washington. If you ever feel like moving to the Northwest.


Or if you just want to take sword-carrying vacations!

epicduo
10/31/13 9:10 am

No you racist! What are you going to do tomorrow when it is no longer White Supremacy month???

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 9:12 am

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epicduo
10/31/13 9:13 am

Because whites were enslaved!

epicduo
10/31/13 9:14 am

Nor discriminated against!

SFLiberal
10/31/13 9:19 am

Its White History Month! I like the idea.

epicduo
10/31/13 9:20 am

SF???? What! October is over first of all... Second your not a racist like derek are you?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/31/13 9:20 am

What what what!!!??? You like the White History Month SF???

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:21 am

SF already said he hates gays and blacks and Asians on his own poll

epicduo
10/31/13 9:23 am

Oh..MJSeals? I'm not MJ. There is another Yankee4313 who is a troll, that one could be MJ, but not me

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/31/13 9:25 am

There's also a LiberalAndProud... Could that be MJ too?

epicduo
10/31/13 9:28 am

I AM NOT MJ!!!! God damn it look up yankees4313! HE or SHE could be MJ But I am not!

SFLiberal
10/31/13 9:29 am

@yankees, being white doesn't make me racist, so get that nonsense out of your mind.

@Derek, yes, I'm white. Why would I hate such a thing?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 9:30 am

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:31 am

Because they're minorities. It's a chance to learn about their culture. But I agree. SF wouldn't.

epicduo
10/31/13 9:31 am

Mexicans are discriminated against today

SFLiberal
10/31/13 9:31 am

@BeachSt, I view people based on the content of their character, not their race. I have lots of friends from all races, orientations, etc. so for you to make asinine comments like that is very offensive.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:33 am

And you do them a disservice, SF"liberal".

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:33 am

I'm sorry you're offended. Please don't get offended.

SFLiberal
10/31/13 9:34 am

Says the guy who thinks he's more liberal than me but yet wishes to segregate people by their race. Are you really that immature, BeachSt?

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10/31/13 9:35 am

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:38 am

@nemacyst, I asked my mom why they get a Mother's Day. I said where's the kids day? She said "that's everyday." All we learn about is about white people. Have you looked at curricula? Every month is white history month. It's just call education.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:39 am

@SF, I'm not, I'm just curious why centuries of discrimination and subjugation doesn't require a little period of making up. And you call yourself a progressive. You're as regressive and stagnant as D. No offense.

SFLiberal
10/31/13 9:41 am

Maybe because I live in a place where minorities and women ARE treated equally. California has already made that progress, you should catch up.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 9:43 am

Whites WERE enslaved. Maybe you should pay more attention next White History Month.

epicduo
10/31/13 9:44 am

SF the way people are treated in one area is basically the way they are treated in every area

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:44 am

Okay, you're taking it too far. Virginia is more equal than California. Income inequality among other equalities. We also lead the nation in interracial marriages. I think California should catch up to us. You still didn't answer my question though..

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:46 am

California is more unequal. White live in the $3,000+/per month rental apartments and black folk live in the ghettos. Norfolk is 43% black and 47% white. Can't get more equal than that...

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10/31/13 9:48 am

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SFLiberal
10/31/13 9:49 am

AA has good intentions, but I've noticed people seem to quickly forget about its real purpose and instead they just use it as an opportunity to hate on the white race. And if those white haters had any common sense, they'd realize that the newer

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 9:49 am

Sure you can, Beach. NOBODY lives in Death Valley.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:50 am

Did you seriously not even read my comment? My comment has the answer to your question there. Everything we learn is about white people. The settlers, the presidents, slave owners, abolitionists, European settlement of Africa, it's all white!!

SFLiberal
10/31/13 9:50 am

generations of whites have nothing to do with the racism of the past.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:51 am

Of course it has good intentions. It's making up for 394 years of discrimination and subjugation. It's been 50 years, man up.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:52 am

@SF, it's about equalizing society now. 50 years isn't enough to make up for 394 years of separation. Look at NC the most conservative state now passes their once unconstitutional voter ID law. We need AA and the VRA APPARENTLY. just look around.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:53 am

Just like you said, you live in California, so you don't know how it is over in the Southeast. They're fücking nuts down there. I'm glad you like California, but the COUNTRY isn't ready.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/31/13 9:53 am

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 9:54 am

It's not our fault that white people did most of the most important things for this nation, which have been written down throughout history.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 9:54 am

We learn the history of this nation which was started by white people, descended from white people, based on concepts white people took from Jewish culture, because we live in this nation. It's more important to know our history.

SFLiberal
10/31/13 9:55 am

Go ahead and have AA, but don't use it as "revenge" on white folks that had nothing to do with the racist past.

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10/31/13 9:56 am

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:57 am

It's not revenge. It's just the fact that it happened!!! What is with you people thinking whites are being attacked?! I JUST told you last night--who do you think gets minority status at a HBCU?! Not black folk!! Jesus, stop being so sensitive.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 9:57 am

I think it would be good to use white history month to teach the history of white people who did not directly influence this nation, so people like Yankee can learn of things like the enslavement of celts by Romans and North Africans.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:58 am

@nemacyst; I invite you to reread my initial comment to you. Until then, I am done talking to you. It takes some brain cells to comprehend what I said. There is no white history month because a whole history class is 90% about white history!!!!!!!!!!

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 9:59 am

@doopy, you mean European history? That's a required class, too. Anything else y'all wanna throw out?

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 10:04 am

Okay, well notice that black history month and Hispanic history months are months focused on Americans and their contribution, so it doesn't really matter if all Europeans are white.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:07 am

Since we already study American history, why do we need to cut out black and Hispanic contributions, and make them somehow different?

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/31/13 10:10 am

If we're gonna study racial history, then we should study the history of those races, and leave the racial components of US history to the normal classes in US history.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/31/13 11:17 am

@nemacyst, I never said any of that. But I said I'm done responding to you, so you can think whatever you want.

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