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rebelfury76 October 31st, 2013 1:11pm

A suburb in Texas has fired its police department and hired a private security firm to handle all police matters. The municipal govt has said crime has dropped by 50% and it costs less. Are libertarians really all that crazy?

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LibertyOrDeath Semper Fortis
11/02/13 9:14 pm

They're not nuts if the mall cops adhere to same basic code of ethics and oath.

skinner Wisconsin
10/31/13 1:32 pm

You're nuts we can't have private security that's insane having to pay someone to protect your property rights? No way.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 2:09 pm

.....like you do with cops

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 2:09 pm

This neighborhood IS doing it. It's not a concept, it's BEING done

skinner Wisconsin
10/31/13 2:14 pm

So what if the cops catch a burglar do you have to pay them?

Ghostreconss mars
10/31/13 2:20 pm

Yeah even if they don't you pay them.

TierasPet
10/31/13 1:31 pm

Was it on the border with Mexico? And no, makes sense to me.

DavesNotHere where am I
10/31/13 1:20 pm

Can a security firm arrest someone? Out them in cuffs?

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
10/31/13 12:31 pm

It would be interesting to see this attempted in Detroit.

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rickvee Living the dream
10/31/13 9:08 am

Or it's being reported less because there's less accountability. It costs less because they're getting a lower class and lees educated group of people. People who DON'T have the authority to write citations or arrest for less than a felony.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 12:58 pm

There's a lot of assumptions there. I know some cops who are window licking idiots.

rickvee Living the dream
10/31/13 1:34 pm

And I know a few that are sharp as effin tacks. You get great guys and retards EVERYWHERE...

rickvee Living the dream
10/31/13 2:15 pm

Yes, "everywhere" includes private security, police, McDonald's, Walmart, Exxon... Pretty much anywhere that has employees.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 2:41 pm

So will you withdraw your assumption that these folks are inferior simply because they didn't take a government job?

rickvee Living the dream
10/31/13 2:49 pm

I was only saying that they don't receive the level of training that police do, and higher pay attracts higher quality candidates.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
11/01/13 5:44 am

you don't know what training they receive nor who they hire

rickvee Living the dream
11/01/13 6:02 am

True, I don't. But it's doubtful they receive more training than a police officer (min 2 years college, POST, and Skills) and many security personnel are washouts from LE programs. So I'd say it's a reasonable deduction.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
11/01/13 8:30 am

You know that those qualifications ONLY apply to MN, right? Every other state requires that you be 18 with a HS diploma as minimum qualifications.

rickvee Living the dream
11/01/13 10:28 am

Minnesota AND Wisconsin require it, along with 15% of the 700,000 state, county, and local agencies. Only 1% so far requires a 4 year degree, but that number is quickly rising.

magnum
10/31/13 8:08 am

Is anyone actually surprised by this? The only thing that would concern me is if they had to start meeting quotas on arrests etc.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 8:30 am

Like the government DOES?

Here's the thing, you can fire a private department!

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 7:42 am

I'm closer. This still doesn't seem to allow for competition which has always been my hesitation.

cowboy Here and There
10/31/13 6:46 am

Works everytime its tried.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 6:49 am

But people who worship at the altar of the State are scared that they believe in a false god, one that may not be the answer to their prayers. Or worse yet, they're afraid of losing power and control over their neighbors.

trollthepoll Pro Choice
10/31/13 6:36 am

Nope never private police. Remember private police are always for profit.....

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 6:46 am

...even though it's cheaper. Did you even read the link?

trollthepoll Pro Choice
10/31/13 6:50 am

It doesn't matter they have invested interest to give tickets and arrest people.... In the long run in the big picture it will never work. Public police are corrupt enough... Don't think that will ever happen to a private police force???

MrMilkdud
10/31/13 7:07 am

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense if you don't consider the fact that a private firm can be fired.
If or when they manipulate the town, the town fires them and hires someone else.

Can we fire the government when they manipulate us?

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 7:43 am

Troll, then they get fired. The GOVERNMENT relies on tickets for revenue. Seriously, what goes on in that head of yours?

Komm No. I am your father
10/31/13 6:26 am

Damn i hope this is true

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DunkinFrunk Austin area, Texas
10/31/13 6:16 am

I'm not crazy, I've been tested.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 6:17 am

Hey Jim did the boys in TX get a hold of you?

DunkinFrunk Austin area, Texas
10/31/13 6:21 am

Nope. I left messages on the website only to be ignored. I know they are around, I've seen them last weekend riding through town.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 6:26 am

They might not be checking the email from the website. Send me an email to 232warriorsquidward@gmail.com and I'll get some info down there

Cole12 ...
10/31/13 6:15 am

Looks like I'm moving to Sharpstown, TX! Who's with me?

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LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/31/13 6:14 am

This is COMPLETELY irresponsible! Nothing would make me feel safer than a bunch of George Zimmermans running around gunning down unarmed African Americans! This can't be real!

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 6:16 am

What about traditional police makes you feel any better? Trolls get up early I guess.

kscott516 EB rules
10/31/13 6:34 am

Private security will be held to tighter standards. They won't be protected or misconduct.

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/31/13 7:04 am

Traditional police are trained! Blood hungry vigilantes with itchy trigger fingers are not bound by any sort of procedures that protects the public from their harassment! They're Zimmerman style rent-a-cops!

Baldwin Golden State of Mind
10/31/13 7:58 am

And the private firm won't be trained? I believe the private firm will be trained better so they can keep there job.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 8:30 am

L&P, you're insane.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/31/13 8:31 am

"Blood hungry vigilantes with itchy trigger fingers"

THATS YOUR BELOVED MESSIAH GOVERNMENT POLICE

kscott516 EB rules
10/31/13 9:10 am

Private security firms often are ex-military which are better trained than police. As a private company they aren't protected by the govt. If they screw up they get fired, sued, or jailed depending on the situation. Police get away with wrongdoing.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/31/13 6:13 am

Bam! Winning!

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pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
10/31/13 12:37 pm

"They don't pull people over, they don't stop traffic..."
It'll be interesting to see what the effect on traffic will be.