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LiberalAndProud October 29th, 2013 8:49pm

My gun control law would ban assault rifles, clips that hold more than 10 bullets, and would require anyone wanting to buy a gun to pass a mental health evaluation and permitting course. Do you like this law?

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jvc1133 61535
10/30/13 11:34 am

No do not like any infringement on the second amendment

porkchop New Jersey
10/29/13 8:03 pm

Lol. I told I all LIBERALANDPROUD is the dumbest freeloader going! Lives on welfare or unemployment , or never ever had a decent paying job in his life. He would have definitely participated in the nations test cities as a protest, deadbeat!

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Komm No. I am your father
10/29/13 7:45 pm

No such thing as an assault rifle, nor are clips a correct term. 10 bullet limit is meaningless as it takes approximately half a second to change one out and a mental health screen presupposes that once you're deemed healthy you'll always be healthy.

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cpaswr just say the letters
10/29/13 7:40 pm

I would also impose an excise tax on billets.

EarlyBird Portland
10/29/13 4:41 pm

Great idea! I hate guns.

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EarlyBird Portland
10/29/13 6:00 pm

Not at all, Derek :-)
I was just playing with miss liberal.

EarlyBird Portland
10/29/13 6:00 pm

I sleep with a loaded gun a foot away from my bed.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/29/13 6:04 pm

Phew... Thank God... I forgot you had told me that.

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 6:23 pm

Why do you love guns so much Derek? Does the power trip get you off?

EarlyBird Portland
10/29/13 6:24 pm

Uh oh... She's coming after you again d!

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/29/13 6:26 pm

I know.... Liberal's a she? Wow...

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 6:32 pm

Yes I'm a she! Is your little mind plagued so much that you can't comprehend a woman speaking out, let alone thinking for herself?! And EarlyBird, I don't understand you! You say "not a republican" and yet you stick up for this sexist ingrate!

EarlyBird Portland
10/29/13 6:54 pm

Haha!! What can I say? I like Derek!

EarlyBird Portland
10/29/13 6:55 pm

Liberal- let your guard down and you'll like Derek too.

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 7:40 pm

I will never like Derek. That is a fact.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/29/13 8:00 pm

Awwww! Ms. Bird!!! I like you too! ????

knetzere Illinois
10/29/13 10:36 pm

I love all you guys. I have enjoyed these exchanges tonight.

Libap how long have you been on SOH?

Komm No. I am your father
10/29/13 7:49 pm

Because x is as arbitrary as y and both are senseless

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 7:50 pm

What if we made just single shot rifles legal?

Komm No. I am your father
10/29/13 7:54 pm

Single shots are called bolt action rifles. They are also military style weapons and could be considered assault rifles because SNIPER RIFLES ARE SINGLE SHOT!

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 8:04 pm

Look, if it were up to me, I'd say no guns for anyone but the police. Unfortunately, it's not. We have to give these gun nuts something to keep them happy...

Komm No. I am your father
10/29/13 8:12 pm

Are you doing this on purpose just to screw with people? No one is this extreme. Really?

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 9:09 pm

Really! I don't know what the big deal is. It's just a gun!

knetzere Illinois
10/29/13 10:39 pm

If no citizen has a firearm why do the police need them?

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/29/13 4:12 pm

An issue for further debate. A very lengthy one. In short, "military style weapons."

kscott516 EB rules
10/29/13 4:14 pm

Military weapons are already illegal so what would a ban on assault rifles include?

kscott516 EB rules
10/29/13 4:15 pm

To clarify, full automatic military-grade weapons

EagleOK Oklahoma
10/29/13 4:15 pm

EnderWiggin, that doesn't make sense. What about handguns, knives, or bolt action rifles that the military use? Are those "military style weapons"?

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/29/13 4:18 pm

Well, when all of the discussions were going on this spring outside of SoH (I'm a recent convert) I remember a lot of back and forth on the definition. If I remember, many media outlets settled on "military style weapons" instead of assault rifles

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/29/13 4:21 pm

And yes, your points on other weapons including grenades, mortars, etc that the military were thrown to ridicule the settling on the term. English is far from perfect, and I wield it shakily enough as it is.

EagleOK Oklahoma
10/29/13 4:21 pm

Yes, but those are both terms don't mean what you appear to want them to mean. Is any weapon that the military issues a "military style weapon"?

EagleOK Oklahoma
10/29/13 4:23 pm

Grenades and mortars? I didn't say anything about those. I said knives, handguns, and bolt action rifles.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/29/13 4:27 pm

What I said was, when the debate was going on last spring, people derided using "msw" by saying knives, auto pistols, rpgs, etc when the gun debate was raging. That's all I was saying.

EagleOK Oklahoma
10/29/13 4:28 pm

Ok...so then, specifically, what guns are banned by an "assault weapon" or "military style weapon" ban?

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/29/13 4:33 pm

Not that this is my thread, mind you, but I remember someone floating a list that California currently bans. It was more than 250 characters long. How 'bout "guns like the m-16".

kscott516 EB rules
10/29/13 5:13 pm

My point was that assault rifles, which are fully automatic military weapons, are already illegal. An "assault rifle" is already illegal. So now you want to ban rifles that add nothing to lethality, just "look scary"?

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 6:25 pm

If America had been founded in the 21st century, the founding fathers wouldn't have allowed for people to have military grade weapons with the firepower to wipe out 30 people in seconds.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/29/13 6:31 pm

100 rounds only looks scary? You are deluding only yourself.

Komm No. I am your father
10/29/13 7:52 pm

This is the nuttiest thread ever. The founders overwhelmingly approved of all weapons available in the hands of everyone with no real limits. You want a cannon? Have 2! Arm your children. Arm your wife.

Komm No. I am your father
10/29/13 7:53 pm

Hell criminals were allowed to have guns once they were freed! What kind of history book have you been reading?

knetzere Illinois
10/29/13 10:43 pm

You would have to be rather proficient to mow down 30 people in seconds. Idk if you just watch to many movies or are just unsure of the mechanics of a firearm but these statements really do nothing for your cause

knetzere Illinois
10/29/13 10:44 pm

The framers of this country would want its citizens to have access to any weapon that a tyrannical government also has access to

kscott516 EB rules
10/30/13 1:57 am

How many murders have been committed by criminals using 100 rd drums? Did you know that semi auto rifles are used in less than one half of 1% of all gun crimes? Why is it even a discussion when blunt objects or even fists kill more people?

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/29/13 2:52 pm

Unfortunately, to be more effective you would have to judge the mental stability of all relatives and friends who might find the guns in their house.

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 3:54 pm

You could make it law for everyone to keep their guns in a safe. That would help alleviate the problem.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/29/13 4:11 pm

Yes, but enforcement? We don't want police state...at least more of a police state. At best often laws only are there not for prevention but for the prosecutors.

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 5:54 pm

It might not be enforceable, but who would want to take that chance? These gun nuts need to realize that their "tools" are killing innocent children.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/29/13 6:02 pm

Fired a shotgun twice. Once too many. I understand.

MrMilkdud
10/29/13 1:57 pm

If you change it so that anyone who wants a gun immediately goes to jail, then I totally agree.

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MrMilkdud
10/29/13 1:59 pm

Gun lovers are a menace to society. Did you know that it's a proven fact that 100% of all gun crimes are committed by people with guns!?

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 2:14 pm

Hardy har har! MrMikldud, you are hella funny.

Komm No. I am your father
10/29/13 8:04 pm

Not too mention every time someone is being brutally beat to death they call for MEN WITH GUNS for help?!?!? Go figure

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 1:50 pm

This would also keep the gun nuts happy because it follows the 2nd amendment. The permitting would essentially be joining the national militia.

kscott516 EB rules
10/29/13 3:58 pm

Banning guns doesn't follow the 2nd Amendment.

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 6:15 pm

The second amendment talks about a militia. We don't have a militia. You have to join a militia. This permitting system would essentially be joining the national militia.

kscott516 EB rules
10/29/13 6:24 pm

Militias are not controlled by the govt. Those are the armed services.

LiberalAndProud LA, Cali
10/29/13 6:26 pm

Militias were historically controlled by the local governments. Since everyone nationally wants their big bad guns, then we'll do it nationally.

Komm No. I am your father
10/29/13 8:08 pm

Wth are you talking about?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
There are two subjects here

Komm No. I am your father
10/29/13 8:11 pm

Because a well regulated militia of freely associating armed citizens is required, the citizens shall have the right to be armed and not be restricted in such.
Thats what the 2nd ammendment means

kscott516 EB rules
10/30/13 2:38 am

Correct, they were free citizens not under any control of any govt.