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Willoughby June 28th, 2025 6:48pm

Should parents whose religions don’t believe in the Theory of Evolution be able to opt out their children from those lessons in school?

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WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
Jun 29, 8:17 pm

I feel like American evangelicals don’t understand how many famous early scientists were clergy members. The Big Bang Theory was thought up by a member of the clergy. That doesn’t exactly align with Genesis being literal fact. Copernicus was a catholic cleric, and the idea that the earth revolves around the sun was thought by many to be heretical.

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reader5673
Jun 29, 7:50 pm

Parents should be warned for sure. My children and I discussed it and what the Bible says which has been proven true scientifically. As grown adults in their 20’s they believe the Bible to be fact.

CudOfCow Oregon
Jun 29, 7:12 pm

I think half of SOH was homeschooled.

Rickeygh Austin
Jun 29, 5:48 am

Parents have the right to opt out of ANY lesson that they don’t agree with

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WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
Jun 29, 7:56 am

That’s called home school.

Streamline Lawful Good
Jun 29, 5:32 am

Evolution has been observed, unlike proof of the religions that argue against it. Those who argue for ignorance prove the importance of teaching the facts.

The earth is not 6000 years old. Putting forward these beliefs hinders society as a whole by degrading the quality of education and thus our understanding of the world as a whole. This does not merely apply to us, but our children who must be taught to know better.

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Rickeygh Austin
Jun 29, 5:49 am

Exactly!! I just saw a dog change into a mosquito the other day. Amazing!

Streamline Lawful Good
Jun 29, 7:29 am

A miracle from your god, no doubt, of which I'm sure you have a personal relationship with.

Wackacrat Harford County
Jun 29, 3:28 am

No. Not if it is taught just as that, a theory.

ew64495 Virginia
Jun 29, 9:58 am

Scientific theory does not mean what you think it means

countrybyrd Oklahoma
Jun 28, 10:52 pm

It’s amazing that there are so many races, yet when you mix them you get a new mixed race. I would call that reverse evolution since we all started out as one race back in the begging. But each race evolved depending on where they live.

lapleopard
Jun 28, 10:34 pm

Darwin’s theory hasn’t completely held up.

ptellini GET OVER HERE
Jun 29, 4:46 am

Only natural selection which is very evident has held up.

fahq2 Loving Life
Jun 29, 7:58 am

Please explain how it hasn’t.

DTinCA MANA
Jun 28, 9:19 pm

Sure. Then their kid will become a laughing stock at school, and the kid will decide to read about it anyway and know how embarrassing and dumb their parents are.

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tidford My little piece of heaven
Jun 28, 9:08 pm

Evolutionary theory is essential to our current understanding of biology, thus key in both medical and agricultural research. Locking your kid out of evolution education pretty much locks them out of a significant career in those areas.

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ptellini GET OVER HERE
Jun 29, 4:47 am

Why is the idea that we all evolved from single cell organisms essential to our current understanding of biology?

Doopy Notional Good Guy
Jun 28, 8:13 pm

You should be able to opt your kids out of the frickin’ alphabet if you want.

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funknor
Jun 28, 8:10 pm

Let’s demolish the school all together? What’s next, physics? Mechanics (sometimes called Newtonian mechanics or classical mechanics) is just a theory. The theory of the motion of material objects.

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fuzzyotis Georgia
Jun 28, 7:04 pm

At that point, take your kid out of school. You’re not interested in their education. Home schooling is legal.

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LibertarianB0b Chaotic Neutral
Jun 28, 6:50 pm

When it pertains to belief that contradicts teachings in school my parents should be able to opt out of anything and everything.

Why is this even a question?

Eagle01 USA
Jun 28, 6:28 pm

Send and pay for private school or keep the kids in home school.

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debaz2ca East Coast
Jun 28, 6:17 pm

I believe that God created everything, even items taught as theory. It would be good to learn in order to decide what you believe.

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swjboucher Just Run
Jun 28, 6:12 pm

I don’t see a problem with it as long as it’s taught as a theory.

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JRummy Indepublicrat
Jun 28, 9:00 pm

A scientific theory is not the same thing as a layman’s use of the word theory.

swjboucher Just Run
Jun 29, 2:58 am

The definition of a word is the definition of a word. I don’t give much thought or consideration to how people use it.

gjvstrom Washington State
Jun 28, 6:05 pm

Don’t teach it in school what’s the purpose besides creating division? Perhaps and junior senior year of high school.

livi724 the future is female
Jun 29, 3:11 am

Don’t teach how the world came to be? That’s crazy

ew64495 Virginia
Jun 29, 3:56 am

Why should science be ignored?

keamyx The Great state of Texas
Jun 28, 6:04 pm

I don’t remember it ever being taught to me. I think it would be inappropriate but would be ok as an elective in college. I really don’t even understand the point of teaching other than combat religious beliefs which should not be tolerated in public education.

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livi724 the future is female
Jun 29, 3:13 am

It’s not inappropriate, it’s how the world came to be.

ew64495 Virginia
Jun 29, 3:57 am

If you view teaching science as combating religion then maybe your views lack any backing

ptellini GET OVER HERE
Jun 28, 6:03 pm

The theory does not need to be taught because it has no real rolled application. It is also not necessarily in conflict with the Bible.

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weird4
Jun 28, 4:10 pm

Personally I think it’s good for kids to learn about evolution. They also have the right to have religious beliefs. Keep in mind schools have mixed religions which is why creationism isn’t taught in schools.

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ptellini GET OVER HERE
Jun 28, 6:01 pm

That is actually not the reason. The reason is because organizations like the ACLU will file a lawsuit and the schools don't have the funds to defend themselves.

Odysseus We All Need A Fantasy
Jun 28, 3:48 pm

No, of course not.

But, Evangelical Christianity is now dictating what is being taught and not taught in our American classrooms.

China and Russia couldn’t be happier that our American Education System is self-destructing.

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ovcourse Commiefornia
Jun 28, 4:31 pm

It’s been self-destructing for decades. Maybe now that the adults are in charge, we can MEGA (Make Education Great Again).

ptellini GET OVER HERE
Jun 28, 6:01 pm

Ody that is ridiculous

Odysseus We All Need A Fantasy
Jun 28, 6:03 pm

Agreed

Having any religion dictate our educational curriculum is Ridiculous.

LibertyWatch000 Ohio
Jun 28, 3:38 pm

Yes, evolution can’t be proven. Not one scientist or the collective of all scientists can prove it.

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WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
Jun 28, 6:25 pm

It’s literally called the theory of evolution…

ew64495 Virginia
Jun 29, 3:58 am

We have evolved new species forming as a result of evolution

CDay007
Jun 29, 12:41 pm

What sort of proof do you want?

SHOWofFIST Flint, MI
Jun 28, 3:34 pm

I would not want to promote ignorance, so of course, they need to learn what others believe.

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Grimmy13 Palehorse
Jun 28, 3:37 pm

Just as long as you approve, right? All religions have differences in theology and it doesn’t bother me. Can’t we just Coexist?

CudOfCow Oregon
Jun 28, 3:30 pm

You'd think if the parents were this extreme, they would just opt out of that school. There are other options...

Poor kids though, they never stood a chance.

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cato Santa Barbara, California
Jun 28, 3:22 pm

Evolution is not “just a theory” in the casual sense. It’s a scientific theory — which means it is one of the most robust and well-supported explanations in all of science. There is a vast amount of evidence from multiple fields supports evolution, including:
Fossil records (showing transitional forms),
Genetics (DNA similarities between species),
Comparative anatomy and embryology (e.g., homologous structures), Observed evolution (like bacteria evolving antibiotic resistance or finch beak changes in real time). All that said if you want to raise children outside of mainstream schooling then go for it. We need fry cooks.

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LibertyWatch000 Ohio
Jun 28, 3:39 pm

There is no evidence.

LibertyWatch000 Ohio
Jun 28, 3:40 pm

There are no transitional fossils.

TrumpWon2024
Jun 28, 7:18 pm

show me evidence of speciation. doesnt exist, in all the thousands of experiments, hundreds of thousands of generations of fruit fly experiments.

passionpolitics
Jun 28, 7:18 pm

Explain Rh- blood type in the context of evolution. I’ll wait.

fahq2 Loving Life
Jun 29, 8:03 am

Evidence of speciation…

1. London Underground Mosquito (Culex pipiens complex):
A new population of mosquitoes emerged in the London Underground that is genetically and behaviorally distinct from its above-ground relatives. They can no longer interbreed easily with surface mosquitoes, showing reproductive isolation…a key marker of speciation.

2. Darwin’s Finches (Galápagos Islands):
Researchers observed finch populations diverging in beak shape and size due to different food sources. A particularly well-studied case is the “Big Bird” lineage, which emerged from hybridization and became reproductively isolated within just a few generations.

3. Apple Maggot Fly (Rhagoletis pomonella):
Originally, these flies laid eggs only on hawthorn fruit. But after apples were introduced in North America, a group shifted to apples and started mating based on fruit preference. Genetic studies now show they’re diverging into separate species.

fahq2 Loving Life
Jun 29, 8:04 am

4. Italian Wall Lizards (Podarcis sicula):
In the 1970s, scientists introduced a population of lizards from one island to another. In just a few decades, they developed larger heads, stronger bites, and a new digestive structure, adapting to a plant-rich diet. These physiological changes, coupled with behavioral shifts, suggest speciation is underway.

5. Stickleback Fish (Canada):
In post-glacial lakes, marine sticklebacks colonized freshwater and evolved into two distinct forms: one that lives near the lakebed and one that stays in open water. They differ in size, diet, and mating behavior, and rarely interbreed.


These examples aren’t just theory…they’re backed by genetic analysis, field observation, and lab experiments. Speciation is not only observable, it’s been recorded in real time.

TrumpWon2024
Jun 29, 8:12 am

thats LLM slop, not actual analysis, dumb ass.

passionpolitics
Jun 29, 11:01 am

There’s no question that organisms have adapted over time to their environment, but the theoretical part of evolving from one species to another is still theory and it doesn’t address the Rh- blood type factor. Nobody can square that one so far.

fahq2 Loving Life
Jun 29, 11:23 am

Hey MAGAt, those are truths that have been proven. Unlike that Imaginary Big Guy in the Sky you keep pounding the table about…

passionpolitics
Jun 29, 12:05 pm

What you described above are adaptations that created other types of animals within the same genome. They didn’t cross from one animal classification to another.

TrumpWon2024
Jun 29, 2:50 pm

yea humans have evolved different traits to adapt to our environment, how many sub-species of humans are there?

MrsCrayonWax Bethesda
Jun 28, 3:17 pm

At this rate anyone can opt out of things they are offended by.

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gunluvr NOT a Gun Free Zone
Jun 29, 8:07 am

I’m offended by taxes , can I opt out ???

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
Jun 28, 3:08 pm

This country is going to be so fucked by the time these people are done.

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suppressedID destiny is right now
Jun 28, 2:56 pm

Knowledge isn’t a fükking buffet -you don’t pick and choose what you want because other stuff makes you uncomfortable.

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ptellini GET OVER HERE
Jun 28, 6:02 pm

Then don't do it

ozzy
Jun 28, 1:36 pm

The issue is age appropriateness, not agreement

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MrsCrayonWax Bethesda
Jun 28, 3:17 pm

None of that matters. The door has been opened.

CudOfCow Oregon
Jun 29, 6:09 pm

Age appropriateness?

Think Lovin Life
Jun 28, 1:11 pm

Yes, of course parents must be given the right to direct the education of their children.

What shouldn’t be controversial is that every student should be required to master English, math and the hard sciences before graduating from high school.

The left’s preoccupation with other irrelevant topics is the problem. Those topics aren’t required for children to get a good education.

Evolution is simply one of many unprovable theories of how the earth came to be. It is not the responsibility of the schools to push one or another of the THEORIES as fact to the exclusion of other equally viable theories.

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TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 28, 1:28 pm

This right here is exactly why we need a strong scientific background taught in schools. If you're an adult and you don't know what a scientific theory is, you should have no say in what sciences are taught, where.

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 28, 4:54 pm

ToT - What is a woman?

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 28, 4:58 pm

Lol that has nothing to do with what I said, but...

Webster's says "an adult female person"

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 28, 5:01 pm

ToT - And what “scientific background” were leftists drawing from when they suggested that men can be women?

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 28, 5:02 pm

Again, that has no crossover with evolution or what theory means...I know you're trying to make a point, but you're whiffing hard

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 28, 5:13 pm

ToT - The point is you don’t care about science, you just care about pushing the leftist agenda.

As Think said, those topics aren’t required for children to receive a good education.

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 28, 5:51 pm

Lol you're the only one pushing some kind of agenda 🀷🏼‍♂️

Absolutely, understanding the basics of evolution and the scientific method are requirements of a good education

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 28, 6:04 pm

You keep inserting some man/woman argument into the discussion, accusing me of some liberal agenda when I haven't said anything of the sort

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 28, 6:18 pm

ToT - If you aren’t pushing the leftist agenda, then why did you take issue with Think’s opinion that unprovable theories like evolution shouldn’t be presented as facts in schools?

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 28, 6:25 pm

You're making your point for me...if you don't know what a theory is, you don't get to make policy about science education

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 28, 6:28 pm

Making my point*

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 28, 6:32 pm

ToT - So you agree that leftists should stop teaching evolution as if it is a fact since it’s not?

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 28, 6:34 pm

Evolution is a fact. That's why it's been labeled as a theory

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 28, 6:42 pm

ToT - You’re supposed to know what you’re talking about before trying to argue with someone 🀦‍♂️ A theory isn’t a fact. A theory attempts to explain the facts.

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 28, 6:44 pm

A theory is a well/repeatedly tested explanation that has been confirmed over and over again through observation and/or testing. It is essentially fact

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 28, 7:02 pm

ToT - The fact is that humans exist. The theory is that they evolved from a common ancestor. You’ve simply heard the latter presented as a fact and thus have begun to believe it as such.

Think Lovin Life
Jun 28, 7:35 pm

ToT … you’re a hoot, and obviously not a scientist as your definition of a theory is absolutely wrong.

Proof and theory don’t go hand in hand. Proof replaces theory.

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 29, 2:57 am

You both clearly have no idea what you're talking about, have no science background, and are perfect examples of basic scientific literacy failing in this country

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 29, 3:14 am

ToT - And what about the leftists who unscientifically think that men can transform into women?

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 29, 3:40 am

Lol what is this obsession with gender? Who cares? It has nothing to do with this thread, yet you keep inserting it in. It's weird

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 29, 3:46 am

ToT - Like I said earlier, you don’t actually care about science, you just care about pushing the leftist agenda.

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 29, 3:51 am

And where did I push any agenda?

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 29, 3:56 am

ToT - All throughout this thread.

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 29, 3:59 am

ToT - Every single comment you’ve made thus far in this thread.

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 29, 4:01 am

So you have no evidence, thanks.

All you've done is insert your own weird obsessions and made assumptions about me while not addressing your own shortcomings in regards to scientific literacy

SFLiberal 1 Corinthians 6 9
Jun 29, 4:10 am

ToT - Wrong. I schooled you on the difference between a fact and a theory and exposed your feigned concerns about science education.

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 29, 4:17 am

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ sure

All you actually did was make assumptions about me, show your own ignorance, then claim "liberal agenda" when you didn't have a response

Think Lovin Life
Jun 29, 4:20 am

ToT … what is your scientific training?

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 29, 4:26 am

Biology degree (including intensive course study in evolution specifically), doctorate, over 15 years in practice

Think Lovin Life
Jun 29, 4:30 am

ToT … ha ha. From what institution did you get your degrees? What was your user name before you became a ToT?

Please explain the relationship between scientific proof and scientific theory.

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 29, 4:36 am

It's cute that you find my credentials funny and are now trying to poke holes in them, but I won't be giving you my CV.

"Scientific proof" isn't a term anyone actually uses.

Think Lovin Life
Jun 29, 4:38 am

ToT … noted that you can’t explain yourself or your position.

TruthOverTrump Someplace
Jun 29, 5:08 am

I can't explain made up terms, no

shygal47 Florida east coast
Jun 28, 12:49 pm

Let the parents homeschool them and leave Public school education alone.
Bunch of whiners.

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billyjoelfan
Jun 28, 12:13 pm

No I don’t think that parents should be able to opt their children out of lessons in general.

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ptellini GET OVER HERE
Jun 28, 6:02 pm

They should be able to if it goes against their religious beliefs.

JRummy Indepublicrat
Jun 28, 9:10 pm

If it is against your religious belief to not educate your child, then pull them out of school and do it yourself.

buckleharry
Jun 28, 12:13 pm

This seems to me to be an issue of very low utility in life. I’ve never found myself in a situation where it would have made a difference which theory I believed to be true.

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