How many people currently on SOHs recommending/calling for the firing/resignation of Kathleen Selebius have actually supervised more than five people or at a high level? Just curious
Yes. She should resigned. I managed programmers, analyst, testers, union, non union, customer interfaces. She turned on a failed system to me a date not expectations.
Thank you for your opinion from someone with obvious related experience
I have, but I'm not calling for her head.
It's pretty odd, if the republicans really believe she's responsible for the screwup you would think they'd want her to stay.
She gave the go ahead to implement an untested system. Her and her alone! Get out! Her boss too!
I have supervised up to 20 people, but I voted "No" for her stepping down.
I just changed responsibilities from an organization of 143 individuals. The failure of a major component of a strategic/capital initiative would have consequences, for the source of the failure. I am not certain Ms Selebius is that person.
You should know I would not have approve the ACA initiative. It does not generate the best cost benefit option to society.
Owned my own company.
And your opinion? Does she go? Or does she fix it?
She should go.
I reject the ideology that one must have "X" experience in oder to have a legitimate opinion.
As for her resignation, i would support her leaving because she failed at her primary job. Pure and simple. This isn't some charity or feel good just try hard everyone gets a trophy BS. You preform well or be replaced. Now i don't expect her to be
Fired because it would be a tacit admission of guilt of the failure of this administrations flagship legislation.
I didn't really say that - but I do think that in this situation if you have X experience you will have a different perspective. That is all I was pointing out. Just as I know the those who have actually shot a gun have a different perspective
Than I do about firing a firearm
Ok. Fair enough.
Komm - I disagree - sometime failure is just the first step to success
Nor do i expect her to quit.
Shelly, yeah i get that and agree to a point. I don't know exactly how to articulate it but i just feel that that doesn't apply to all situations, particularly this one or other high powered positions
Shelly, let me ask you a question. What type of senerio (not limited to hhs or aca) would you believe a department head should resign? Fired?
Fraud, insubordination, illegal activities of any kind, that's about it, maybe blatantly breaking a morality clause
Those are all good points
President Lincoln went through many generals to lead the union army b4 he found the one who could actually get the job done. Im just pointing out results matter. Without Grant, Lee may mot have had to surrender. My how that would have changed things
Well then according to you Shelly Obama and Holder should have been gone long ago.
Haha great point. I cant believe i didnt realize that before. Thanks
That is a matter of opinion cookie
I have no illusions that obama will be taken down by any of these scandals. But people like holder, their is enough dots to put together that they have acted unbecoming of their post at least and criminally likely.
And even fewer that have reengineered a business process.
I have not called for her resignation, I think she should stay and clean up. I am and have been a manager in several roles, I have not counted the number of people I have supervised, but it's for sure more than five.
Tom - that is the opinion I would expect from someone who has experience supervising at a higher level
What do you mean my high level? I've been responsible for 11 people in the past
What did you do?
I was patrol leader for Boy Scouts
I mean Vice President, Associate, Partner, etc. When I was a teacher, I supervised several student workers, but I wouldn't have had the experience to understand this situation even a little from that work
Well I haven't called for that, and unless you count being a junior counselor at a social skills camp supervising more than 5 people at a high level, than I haven't done that