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LeftLibertarian The Age of Outrage
07/07/15 10:17 pm

Yes, not the Ron Paul kind though, more the Noam Chomsky kind. 😄

Ausrine1533
10/29/13 2:01 pm

Technically yes but I don't really consider myself one at heart since I always vote liberal.

TheBlackMuslim New York City
10/29/13 12:41 am

Both political parties serve the same people.One need only turn on the tv or open a newspaper to see that American democracy is a sham-a corporate theatre designed not to lead the people but to pacify them,and to protect the profit of their masters.

KindOfAmazon
10/28/13 1:53 pm

Well, apparently only 93% of libertarians are libertarians. Hmmm.

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ModerateGOP26 Maine
10/27/13 6:13 pm

I'm pretty socially liberal and fiscally conservative, but I am not a libertarian, I'm a registered Republican and always will be. I'd rather reform my party to get back to what I believe it should be than give up and forfeit it to the fringes.

ilive4Gsus formerly SoLuvedByGod
10/27/13 11:54 am

Don't blame me. I would have voted for Ron Pail. (If stupid Florida let me and... If I was old enough...)

saulecker Durham, NC
10/27/13 8:04 am

I like how 7% of the libertarians aren't libertarian. I think they read the question as "are you a librarian".

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3acn
10/27/13 2:28 am

I'm a registered republican with strong libertarian views. The question I not ask if I was registered as a libertarian.

MassAsks Boston
10/26/13 10:18 pm

How are 6% of libertarians not libertarians...?

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L1B3RTAR1AN Virginia
10/26/13 10:03 pm

...............Why yes I am

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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
10/26/13 1:13 pm

What are all these libertarians doing on the government-created internet?

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stopandthink New Jersey
10/26/13 1:14 pm

Was google, show of hands, your smart phone or the modem giving you your internet a government invention?

thatguy2 We tried to warn you
10/26/13 1:52 pm

Not specifically, of course. Gov did create GPS. So, is your point that business has benefitted enormously thanks to being able to build upon a government-created platform? haha. You make a great case for not being libertarian. Thank you

3acn
10/27/13 2:31 am

Huh ? Since when did the gov own the Internet? It is a mass of electrical connections held by various ISP's. Sure some scientists invented it and they were paid by the gov but truth is entrepreneurs took it over long ago. Ever hear of AOL?

saulecker Durham, NC
10/27/13 8:06 am

Erm... The Internet was totally a government program.

thechosenone CT
10/26/13 10:55 am

Why are 6% of libertarians saying no?

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darthezu Philly
10/26/13 2:14 pm

Oh man I was just about to ask the same question. What's up with that?

whatever FL
10/26/13 10:52 am

I used to think my views might be considered Libertarian; after all, I'm not just an Independent, I'm a GDI. Until I saw how (so-called) Libertarians vote on SoH.

wiildkat Propertarian
10/26/13 9:09 am

I'm a libertarian but not necessarily a Libertarian (although I am registered as such, so I suppose I actually am the big L kind).

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bluerum29 optimistic idealist
10/26/13 8:59 am

Alcohol is good though, I mean come on font dis on the good time alcohol brings

sadiztic
10/26/13 8:10 am

No, that is the reasoning BEHIND your views. Doesn't change the views themselves I could come up with my own bs manifesto for liberals and call it complex. 1) all people are equal but have not been given equal opportunity. 2) History has shown that

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pisomojado
10/26/13 7:50 am

It has many things to recommend it but overall it's very naive about human nature and the power of corporations.

thebarr
10/26/13 7:48 am

Aside from the drugs 'n hookers, I'm pretty much with the Libertarians.

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sadiztic
10/26/13 7:51 am

That's funny those are the only two reasons I could see myself supporting them...

fatbob
10/26/13 6:38 am

Apparently, 6% of Libertarians are not Libertarian.

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newburro New Jersey
10/26/13 9:14 am

we don't have to conform to your labels!

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
10/26/13 5:40 am

Argument against libertarians always goes like this:

Idiot- libertarian world is scary!
Guy- why?
Idiot- I don't know, the tv box told me that. I assume everyone will be eating each other?

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Capitalism
10/26/13 6:10 am

Don't forget, Rooooooooooaaaaaddddsss?!?!?!?

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
10/26/13 5:35 am

The political filters are confusing me

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Klensken phx
10/26/13 4:20 am

Every libertarian I meet seems to have completely different views aside from having a hard-on for states' rights. It's almost as if they think state governments are somehow less corrupt. Honestly I think the party is a joke.

jdengel
10/26/13 5:38 am

It's easier to run for state office, or to reform a state, then it is to reform the entire country

Congressman Louisiana
10/26/13 5:51 am

As a libertarian allow me to clean that up. Those who are all hot over "states rights" are former republicans and neo-conservatives who have hijacked the libertarian party. I apologize for their behavior and lack of true political knowledge.

jdengel
10/26/13 8:09 am

Former republicans yes, neo-cons no.

We are libertarians who follow the philosophy of Locke and Montesquieu

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 11:01 pm

If you want followers, contribute to discussion and people will follow you. Just give it time :)

MouseC0P Heyo
10/25/13 8:39 pm

How are 5% libertarians, not?

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sadiztic
10/26/13 7:53 am

They are mavericks! They even want the freedom to choose not to be identified as libertarians. Don't question it.

Spiritof76 USA 1776
10/25/13 8:11 pm

Libertarian ideals just make sense today. BO and Junior have shifted the narrative so far in the authoritarian/big government column, a shift the other way, focusing on Freedom/Liberty is long overdue.

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Irrelevant United States
10/25/13 8:01 pm

In the American sense of the word, no. In the international sense, yes. Everywhere but the US, a libertarian is an anarchist or extreme leftist. All forms of authority, including governments, corporations, and religion, are illegitimate. (IMAO)

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Congressman Louisiana
10/25/13 7:10 pm

If you're going to call yourself libertarian have the decency to register as one. Otherwise you're just another on the fence moron.

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at23steelers earth
10/25/13 6:58 pm

against gay rights, against abortion, for some sort of amnesty, pro legal marijuana, less military, against death penalty, want welfare and Medicare but reforms. pro privatize education. what am i??

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getupbaby South City
10/25/13 7:02 pm

Whew! A non-voter?? There are literally zero candidates in any party for you to vote for!

Congressman Louisiana
10/25/13 7:09 pm

You're a bigot.

yepnope Maryland
10/25/13 8:27 pm

damn, I was going to say something nice bc you're a steelers fan but I can't because you've made me more ok with moving away from that area. I love Pittsburgh but dammit there sure are racist, bigoted, people in that area

at23steelers earth
10/25/13 10:32 pm

not sure what made me racist. clarify: for gay unions but not marriages. but some repub want welfare and other social programs completely removed but i realize they actually do some good.

getupbaby South City
10/26/13 12:47 am

How is a union different from a marriage?

newburro New Jersey
10/26/13 9:19 am

how can you say the words "against gay rights"? I can understand not wanting same sex marriages, but being against gay rights altogether is pretty terrible.

at23steelers earth
10/26/13 10:23 am

good point, i mistakenly used rights and in my mind meet marriage. thanks for having me clarify

PrinceBlake Bama Born
10/28/13 5:51 pm

You're just a plain independent.

PrinceBlake Bama Born
10/28/13 5:51 pm

No offense meant by that. Apologize if taken wrongly by anyone.

CalTexHawk spiral arm
10/25/13 6:51 pm

Selfishtarians?

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CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
10/26/13 5:36 am

Says the guy who only wants OTHERS to share (the rich). That doesn't make you selfish though, that just makes you a hypocritical doooosh

midnightshadow Virginia
10/25/13 6:48 pm

Can someone explain why only 94 percent of libertarians said yes :/

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ProfDG I Want Truth
10/25/13 7:03 pm

I lean Libertarian and have that listed on SOH, but I'm a registered Independent on my voter registration.

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
10/25/13 5:58 pm

I have some libertarian leanings, but I am not a true Libertarian.

pogags
10/25/13 5:58 pm

Holocaust=abortions

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getupbaby South City
10/25/13 6:05 pm

What? Where did this guy come from? Space trolls.

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
10/25/13 5:41 pm

Can someone explain to me civilly what is the difference between a Libertarian and a Republican? I was having an argument with someone and I swear he's Libertarian and he says he's Tea Party/Republican.

getupbaby South City
10/25/13 5:52 pm

Republicans don't approve of some of Ls positions. Ls want the federal drug schedule abolished as well as most other federal institutions like DoE, the fed, FCC, and NSA. They are also (by and large, not all) isolationist when it comes to the DoD.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/25/13 5:54 pm

libertarian philosophy is based on three things:
1) The primary belief is the Non-Aggression Principle, which is the belief that any act of aggression is inherently immoral and illegitimate.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/25/13 5:55 pm

2) The belief that all humans are on an equal authoritative plane, and that no human is inherently more valuable than other.
3) Every human owns himself, and may not be owned by others.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/25/13 5:58 pm

What this means in practice is that no one may be governed against his will and that no victimless acts may be criminalized.

galvduck Galveston Island
10/26/13 5:45 am

Libertarians believe "victimless" crimes includes pornography and prostitution, which is idiotic because they don't pay attention to what really goes on with human trafficking.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/13 6:00 am

Kidnapping is obviously not victimless. That's just silly to claim that they are.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/13 6:02 am

Prostitution and pornography by consenting adults should not be illegal. A third party has no authority over that transaction.

ken08106
10/26/13 6:20 am

Heres a legitimate generalized answer, without particular policies and opinions:

Dems are socially liberal, fiscally liberal.
Reps are socially conservative, fiscally conservative
Libertarians are a mix - Socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/13 6:43 am

That's not true. libertarians are neither socially liberal not fiscally conservative; it's an entirely different paradigm.

sadiztic
10/26/13 8:00 am

I know you like to imagine you're on a completely different paradigm, but libertarians are defined as liberal social policy and conservative economic policy. You want more freedom for people and corporations.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/13 8:05 am

In a very shallow understanding, perhaps it would appear as such, but in reality that is not the case. You should read my statements above for an understanding of what libertarianism is.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/13 8:05 am

There is far more to philosophy than a simple slider between Republicans and Democrats.

sadiztic
10/26/13 8:10 am

No, that is the reasoning BEHIND your views. Doesn't change the views themselves I could come up with my own bs manifesto for liberals and call it complex. 1) all people are equal but have not been given equal opportunity. 2) History has shown that

sadiztic
10/26/13 8:15 am

That unbridled capitalism severely hurts a majority of citizens and therefor requires modest regulation. 3) The government is not bad when it works FOR the good of the people not for political and corporate interests. Look how complex!

sadiztic
10/26/13 8:18 am

Point 2 of your view often conflicts with conservative policy. People in corporations automatically have more authority and power by right of their position. That's why ideals don't equal policy. I interpret #2 very differently .

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/13 8:21 am

The things you list are not philosophical beliefs, they are opinions of practicality. Liberals do have their own set of philosophical beliefs, though, as do conservatives. All philosophies do, it's not just a slider as I stated before.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/13 8:23 am

People in corporations do not have more inherent authority. The CEO of Samsung can't just walk up to a stranger on the street and tell them what to do with any legitimacy.

Also, don't make the mistake of confusing power with authority.

sadiztic
10/26/13 8:28 am

You're in denial if you think power and money don't bring authority. A higher economic and social position inherently has more authority. If a billionaire on the street tells you to do something you will be much more likely to do it.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/13 8:30 am

No, it brings more power, not authority. You're getting the two confused.

sadiztic
10/26/13 8:31 am

Legitimacy is an ideal far removed from practicality and the real world. Underlying ideals mean nothing to others. Your actions are what count (votes) in a democracy. The philosophies you've listed don't necessarily inform policy in one direction.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/13 8:35 am

That's true to an extent, but it doesn't alter the reality behind it.

ken08106
10/26/13 1:14 pm

Liberty, you apparently have a misconception of what libertarian actually means. In the political diamond, libertarians are the top piece mixing liberal social beliefs with conservative fiscal.

ken08106
10/26/13 1:15 pm

And the bottom of the diamond is socialist - socially conservative and fiscally liberal. We all know what the right and left is. These are by definition and cant be disputed.

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
10/26/13 2:33 pm

If the primary belief is non-aggression, then why are the libertarians on here all so gosh darn aggressive?

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/13 2:42 pm

Haha, aggression as in the initiation of force, not just stern words, haha.

llbelinda Believeland
10/25/13 5:37 pm

No, but I'm a Librarian! Lol

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Userperson merry passover
10/25/13 5:23 pm

The Libertarian ideals are conservative to anarchist. Whoever tried to make the argument that (Modern) Libertarians are an even mix of (Modern) Liberals and Conservatives needs to think about it for like 10 secs.

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Userperson merry passover
10/25/13 5:13 pm

1/20 libertarians aren't libertarian...

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Userperson merry passover
10/25/13 5:16 pm

And 7-10% of everyone else is.

TheChoznOne Fort Leonard Wood,MO
10/25/13 5:08 pm

If your not, then you are the problem

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Moon Iowa
10/25/13 4:29 pm

Honestly a true libertarian society is scary.

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fracy A deeper shade of blue.
10/25/13 4:58 pm

A lot of Libertarians are well aware of that. XD

getupbaby South City
10/25/13 5:16 pm

What's scary about it? Every state makes their own rules. Cali can have socialized everything, red states privatized everything. Everyone gets what want from their own state.

skinner Wisconsin
10/25/13 7:10 pm

Moon only a radical libertarian society. A more moderate one would be fine.

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/25/13 9:02 pm

It may have been but it had a different natural cause. There was and still is a cause for every change in temperature (from ice ages to points where the arctic was subtropical),and we are the main cause now. Case closed.

Moon Iowa
10/25/13 9:06 pm

A true libertarian society doesn't mean state makes all their rules and laws. What if a state became a totalitarian state that doesn't mean libertarian.

Moon Iowa
10/25/13 9:09 pm

A true libertarian state is free for all. You take care of yourself. You want a road you Build it or pay someone. You want protection you provide it or pay someone to provide it. You want education you yeah it or you pay for it.

Moon Iowa
10/25/13 9:11 pm

In a true libertarian society the only thing the government provides is national security against other nations. Other than that everyone is on their own!

getupbaby South City
10/26/13 12:52 am

There is a true libertarian and libertarians like me who believe gov't has a place. I don't agree with the scope and size of the fed, but see a place for govt on a state level to step in and meet the needs of its state.

getupbaby South City
10/26/13 12:57 am

In this way, I'm not a true libertarian, but like a democrat in libertarian clothing. A lot of Ls disagree about abortion and other issues, but my only wish as a libertarian is that each state make its own path. Top down mgmt ignores microissues.

ken08106
10/26/13 6:24 am

Moon you are describing an anarchist society, or far extreme libertarian state. Just like calling democrats total socialists. A more moderate libertarian state isnt any of those things and causes fiscally sound govt practices w/o persecuting everyone

Moon Iowa
10/26/13 6:58 am

True Liberalism does not mean communism. This why I said a true libertarian society.

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/25/13 4:29 pm

I can not subscribe to a party that refutes the basic science of global warming.

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bchrome
10/25/13 5:09 pm

HaHaHaHa.... Oh, sorry, I thought you were joking about that global warming thing.

getupbaby South City
10/25/13 5:17 pm

Libertarians don't have a collective opinion of that, they merely wish to allow states to regulate themselves.

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/25/13 8:39 pm

2005 was the hottest year on record while 2009 was second. The last decade was the hottest on record. I don't think that equates to global cooling.

Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
10/25/13 8:44 pm

In the age of the dinosaurs it was so hot ice caps were nonexistant.

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/25/13 9:02 pm

It may have been but it had a different natural cause. There was and still is a cause for every change in temperature (from ice ages to points where the arctic was subtropical),and we are the main cause now. Case closed.

getupbaby South City
10/26/13 1:03 am

But you concede the Libertarian party has no collective opinion on global warming?

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/26/13 5:55 am

The thing is; they must deny it if they want to keep our personal freedoms increasing. The dilemma they are facing is: accept global warming and have people lose their freedoms (we won't stop it any other way) or deny it and avoid the problem.

dustbunny
10/25/13 4:24 pm

I don't know, I'm neither republican or democrat. I don't know what the libertarians are all about but I've been told I sound like one.
At the moment I'm not identifying myself with any parties.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 4:25 pm

In short, libertarians are basically for smaller government.

dustbunny
10/25/13 4:27 pm

I need to research independent and libertarian parties because they sound appealing to me.
I'm tired of the two main parties, I think this country needs a big change not just the same guy in a different suit.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 4:31 pm

I agree. Independent isn't really a party; it's more like people without a party. isidewith.com has a quiz you can take to see how much you agree with the different parties. It's pretty neat!

affd
10/25/13 4:47 pm

My understanding is that independents are just that... independent, they don't claim a side but usually vote depending on what party they agree with most. Libertarians are about limiting the government to the constitution and allowing people to have the rights given to them thanks to that document.

Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
10/25/13 8:12 pm

Read the party platform here, its only 9 pages.

www.lp.org/files/LP%20Platform%202012.pdf

studlies idaho
10/25/13 8:15 pm

Antony with questions should watch a few episodes of Stossell on Fox Business. You can also google Reason Magazine.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 8:17 pm

While that may be the official view, many libertarians I know (myself included) disagree on a few of those things. But if you agree with most of those things, you're probably somewhere on the libertarian spectrum.

vbranger Hillary for Prison
10/25/13 4:19 pm

Democrats have all the ugly women & Republicans have all the Good looking women. No wonder why Democrats have such sour attitudes.

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getupbaby South City
10/25/13 5:19 pm

Hot people don't have to use their brains. BURN!

TomM
10/25/13 5:41 pm

Then you are an independent, right.

kut17
10/25/13 3:42 pm

I'm conservative. I agree with a lot of libertarian ideas except for drugs. Why ecstasy, heroine, and meth should be legal, I'll never understand.

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PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 3:43 pm

We think people should be allowed to do as they please as long as they don't harm others. Drug usage only harms you.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
10/25/13 3:45 pm

Puppy person; that's nice in theory, but not the reality

kut17
10/25/13 3:46 pm

Nope. Meth (and a few others) harms everyone that gets near it. And people hopped up on ecstasy aren't exactly rational in their behavior.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 3:48 pm

Let's say you harm someone else while on drugs. We still have laws that say harming others is illegal. And just because you do drugs doesn't mean you automatically hurt others. Drugs themselves are harmless.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 3:48 pm

It's when you abuse them that's the issue. But that should be left to the user.

NYevo NY
10/25/13 3:49 pm

Libertarianism seems pretty close to anarchy and a Libertarian friend of mine is the one who says that

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 3:52 pm

It depends. There's a spectrum within libertarianism. I consider myself minarchist libertarian and it's closer to anarchism than the two main parties. It is different from anarchism though.

kut17
10/25/13 3:55 pm

I understand that point of view but I just can't get on board and say "yep, let's legalize ALL the drugs". I think it creates a dangerous environment.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 4:00 pm

Not to mention, having a black market increases crime and funds gangs. With illegal drugs, you are guaranteed crime vs. possible danger with legal drugs.

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
10/25/13 4:02 pm

And here is exactly why the L party is a joke.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 4:04 pm

I'm sorry; I made logical arguments and you replied by calling an entire group of people "a joke." Please explain how I am the "joke" here.

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
10/25/13 4:15 pm

Ok. Other people made logical arguments that people under the influence of drugs could harm others. You replied with the usual L party brainwash rhetoric. You. Are. A. Joke.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 4:20 pm

Brainwash rhetoric? Again, you aren't providing arguments. Other commenters on this thread were and I respect their opinions. Provide a counterargument if you wish, but calling people's views a joke doesn't contribute to discussion at all.

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/25/13 4:35 pm

Although being on drugs doesn't automatically mean you will hurt someone, there is a higher chance of them doing so. It a well thought out theory you have, but I'm thinking that the crime will increase with that change more than without it.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 4:37 pm

Those same arguments could be applied to banning alcohol. Crime went up when we tried that, and crime goes down when we legalize drugs. I can pull up some sources if you'd like.

thatguy2 We tried to warn you
10/25/13 4:41 pm

For fun, lets replace "drugs" in this convo with "guns". Go!

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/25/13 4:45 pm

The thing is, drugs like this were never legalized before in the united states in our past history. Alcohol was and a greater mass (compared to drugs) of people liked it and wanted more. We shouldn't legalize the drugs because once the populace has

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/25/13 4:46 pm

Tried it, we won't be able to reban it, without ending up with the same effects of banning alcohol.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 4:46 pm

Sorry, my response was to thatguy.

Other countries have legalized drugs and crime rates dropped.

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/25/13 4:55 pm

What makes those countries similar to the United States enough to compare? Another thing I'm worried about is; won't there be an increase of people waiting outside our schools trying to make our children addicts? Is that a risk we are willing to take

getupbaby South City
10/25/13 5:26 pm

Back to the spectrum within libertarianism, all Ls want to do away with the federal drug classification system, not all want all drugs legal. Let the states decide what's best for their own state.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 5:31 pm

Maybe more people will try it at first. But by legalizing it, it will make it seem less appealing, especially with young adults and teens.

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/25/13 5:37 pm

Explain how it will be less appealing. People will be like "It's legal! Let's try it!". If people try it and stick with it then the number of users may increase, not decrease.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 5:43 pm

Forbidden things tend to be more appealing and romanticized. It's like how telling a teenager not to do something makes them more likely to do it. Legalizing it would "take the fun out of it" for teens who do drugs to be cool or rebellious.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
10/25/13 7:48 pm

Things that are bad we need to keep illegal, legalizing says that is is right and on. Not good

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 8:14 pm

So everything bad should be illegal even if it doesn't affect anyone else?

globalwarming End Climate Change Now
10/25/13 8:45 pm

these drugs may break up families. Thats effecting a lot of people right there. You be against this if your son or daughter became a drug addict and died from an overdose,but since these drugs "doesn't affect anyone" you think we should legalize it.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 8:49 pm

I know they can affect people. That's why I don't use them. But it should be my choice if it doesn't directly and physically harm others. Divorce affects families too. Should that be illegal?

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
10/25/13 11:06 pm

Just letting people do whatever have hell they want us why this country has gone to crap; the I want and parents won't say no generation

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 11:09 pm

So the government should be more like a strict parent? Say what you will about parents, but the government isn't supposed to be our parents.

getupbaby South City
10/26/13 1:09 am

I just want to interject and say that there are plenty of legal drugs prescribed to us that break up families. Painkillers and antidepressants. I'm in the boat that not all drugs should be legal, but users shouldn't be criminals either.

NYevo NY
10/26/13 7:24 am

I think certain drugs should remain illegal due to their addictive nature and the swaying power power that withdrawal has on an individual. The withdrawal will have them do things that will effect ithers

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/26/13 7:58 am

Sugar and caffeine can be addictive too. And punishing people before they actually harm others goes against "innocent until proven guilty."

NYevo NY
10/26/13 8:48 am

Caffeine withdrawal isn't known to alter ones personality to the point where they'll do literally anything to get another cup of coffee.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/26/13 8:51 am

True. Alcohol and cigarettes might do that though, and those are legal.

NYevo NY
10/26/13 10:16 am

I don't agree on the cigarette bit, but I suppose you're right about alcohol. But seriously, do you think any person can just casually use heroin? Many can casually use alcohol. Can the same be said about heroin

greenvelvet
10/25/13 3:37 pm

I dont even go to the library.

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TomM
10/25/13 3:45 pm

Either you need to read more or your joke was not really fun

Carolinaaa My name is not Carol.
10/25/13 3:37 pm

Not by voter affiliation, but my political ideology falls more in line with the Libertarian platform than my other options.

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
10/25/13 3:18 pm

Ha ha is that party real? All this time I thought it was democrats making fun of republicans.

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PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 3:19 pm

Uh, yeah... And we're completely different than republicans.

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
10/25/13 3:23 pm

Only difference is that you love puppies :)

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
10/25/13 3:34 pm

Haha :) There are many differences between the two parties. They do share some similar economic views though, which is where confusion usually comes in.

TomM
10/25/13 3:34 pm

The libertarians are further from any of the two parties who occupy DC than they are from each other. Dems and GOP are very similar, they both want a big government which control what we do.

studlies idaho
10/25/13 8:29 pm

Tom is right. Republicans won't admit that, but it's true.

ScrewU Gone
10/25/13 3:05 pm

I for one an firmly convinced that if we gave libertarians a majority, they would legalize pot on the first day and not much else would get done after that.

cyanospool The Deep North
10/25/13 3:15 pm

If you mean majority political power, then yeah, that's kind of the point - a government that, at most, does literally nothing.

ScrewU Gone
10/25/13 3:18 pm

All right. You sold me.

jdengel
10/25/13 3:32 pm

The NSA would be drastically pulled back

getupbaby South City
10/25/13 5:28 pm

Pulled back? Destroyed.

kairu Trust no one...simple
10/25/13 3:00 pm

3% of libertarians are stupid

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cyanospool The Deep North
10/25/13 3:12 pm

Nah, I'd say they're either trolls or consider themselves lowercase-"L" libertarians unaffiliated with the actual party. Personally I'm the latter, but I still answered yes.

ScrewU Gone
10/25/13 3:00 pm

Does anyone else usually read that as "Librarian?"

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violence Pretty hate machine
10/25/13 2:59 pm

Libertarianism is just the latest political fad. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

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fracy A deeper shade of blue.
10/25/13 4:23 pm

it's growing because the majority of Americans are not satisfied with both parties. it's not a fad at all

violence Pretty hate machine
10/25/13 4:28 pm

Also, Libs are more than willing to vote on party lines, making them no different then the Rs or Ds.

Userperson merry passover
10/25/13 5:15 pm

Libs could be short for liberals.

getupbaby South City
10/25/13 5:29 pm

We've been around for a long time. The internet has made us more visable, that's about it though.