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kermie October 25th, 2013 4:39am

In an imaginary future, they've discovered a "gay gene" and can test for it before birth. A woman who is morally opposed to homosexuality wants to get an abortion when she finds out her child will be gay. Who do you sympathize more with?

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twss trump is a garbage human
10/26/13 12:33 pm

This is one of the most selfish, unconscionable reasons to have an abortion. Screw the mother. Bring the baby to me - I'll raise him/her.

Tony SOH Founder
10/25/13 5:38 pm

Good question! Imagine the heads that might explode if you asked:

"Upon discovering that her son will be born gay, she decides to abort. Is her decision morally different than someone deciding to abort for other personal (non-medical) reasons?"

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kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 5:47 pm

Haha I always like to imagine heads exploding when I ask things ;)

mojopie2
10/25/13 1:23 pm

Then welfare should be increased to support those new babies and all those in favor of re-criminalizing should be forced to adopt the unwanted babies from the forced births you insist upon.

kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 5:48 pm

They will still occur but dangerously.

mojopie2
10/25/13 8:44 pm

True, but if they are going to be so self righteous, then they ought to take responsibility for their high and mighty belief. They can't insist it is a life and then insist it is on its own once it is born. You demand to bring the life into the ...

mojopie2
10/25/13 8:45 pm

then you be responsible to take care of it!

Happy Hong Kong
10/25/13 9:22 am

Many abortions happen for the sake of inconvenience, if the mother feels that it would be inconvenient to have a homosexual child then anyone who is pro-choice should support her decision.

kellyw The Mississippi Delta
10/25/13 9:47 am

I do support her decision, but I don't really feel that much sympathy with her.

ksterk16 Oregon
10/27/13 11:54 am

This isn't asking if we support we decision... It's just asking who we sympathize more with.... Those may be different answers.

Cole12 ...
10/25/13 6:05 am

While she may be a bigoted asshole, it's still her right to get an abortion and do with her body as she pleases.

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EarlyBird Portland
10/25/13 5:37 am

Kermie- I support a woman's choice through the first trimester for any reason.

kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 6:27 am

Why the first trimester? Just curious. It's interesting to me how everybody has a different date.

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 5:33 am

Killing is wrong. You can teach a child to not act on feelings.

kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 6:25 am

Oy. That to me seems almost as horrible.

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 8:16 am

Really? Resisting temptation to do something unhealthy is just as bad as murder?

mojopie2
10/25/13 8:31 am

Dotails, I am straight. How would you feel if the majority was reversed and straight was the minority? You are straight and told you had to suppress that unhealthy behavior. Your statement is idiotic. There is nothing unhealthy about homosexually.

mojopie2
10/25/13 8:32 am

(Cont) Except your bigoted point of view!

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 9:25 am

Um feeling homosexually is not unhealthy but having physical intimacy outside marriage is. We can love everybody but that doesn't mean it is healthy to try to reproduce with everybody.

mojopie2
10/25/13 9:39 am

Are you having a stroke, that makes no sense in the context of what we are discussing? Sex is not just for reproducing, it is a small aspect. Typical family has 2-3 kids, are you saying you should only have sex 2-3 times in their entire marriage?

mojopie2
10/25/13 9:41 am

Sex has a primary role in intimacy, in relationship building. Procreating is such small part of sex!

kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 9:45 am

How is sex unhealthy? Scientific documentation please!

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 12:20 pm

I don't want to go into details if you don't already know because I just had lunch and would like to keep it down. Intimacy is for the purpose of reproducing if you are doing it for another reason maybe this will help...

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 12:21 pm

...This is like saying that a stove is for burning myself. Though the purpose of a thing is not necessarily dependent on all its effects.

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 12:23 pm

Oh maybe you mean hugging. Hugging's purpose is to show affection and build upon your relationship with that expression.

mojopie2
10/25/13 12:32 pm

So what you are saying is a married couple, after having all the kids they want should not have sex ever again? I mean if they have their kids then having sex after would be for intimacy only and there is no procreation in that...you're ridiculous!

mojopie2
10/25/13 12:38 pm

And your stove comment is so off base, 1st, it is an inanimate object. 2nd, human interaction is far more complex than a simplistic comparison. 3rd, who are you to tell anyone how their genitals should be used!

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 12:54 pm

I was trying to simplify it for you. And its just basic biology already. It is easy to see why physical intimacy exists as people trying to get the dopamine rush from it go to great lengths to try to block the natural effect of the activity.

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 1:07 pm

Statistically it isn't identical but the idea is the same: what would you do if you found out that you sister was a smoker. You had learned the harm smoke has on the body and mind? Would you try to break it down and tell her it is wrong to smoke?...

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 1:10 pm

Now imagine 30 years ago you try to tell her this you would be called names and hated for telling someone you disagree with them on cigarettes. You see we know where marriage originated and it's purpose. When u use something outside it's purpose...

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 1:11 pm

...like a stove or sugar or leaves or money or pills or many other good things we discover danger there.

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 1:11 pm

...like a stove or sugar or leaves or money or pills or many other good things we discover danger there.

mojopie2
10/25/13 1:20 pm

You're making the assumption that it is harmful, the most proof you have is anecdotal at best and how you feel about it at worst. You don't have to make it simple for me, I don't use the bible, that is chock full of errors, to support my arguments.

kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 2:27 pm

Wow. Talking about sex makes you throw up? I'm sorry that you were so shamed about sex as a child. It's not too late to change.

And if you're too scared to, I understand. But if you can't give a single reason why sex is unhealthy, I'll keep at it.

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 3:27 pm

It's not physical intimacy that makes me sick alone but the methods at which people have used to make there part fit where they weren't designed to. I also don't want to be thrown out of soh for being specific.

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 3:31 pm

...The same activities are the ones in which bacteria and viruses have a hayday.It is already exponentially more dangerous for you the more"partners"you have but when it leaves the designed gender or even to animals it compounds the risk so much more

kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 5:42 pm

Do you know that a lot of gay men have sex without ever fucking each other's assholes (oops, look, I said it!)? And also there are lesbians, many of whom never go in that area. And straight sex can lead to bacteria and viruses too.

Next?

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 7:17 pm

I have to end this conversation cause I'm gonna loose my dinner.The response to that is in my comment above&in the unmentionable comment I won't utter.Basically I'm saying we ought minimize risk and only use our reproductive organs for reproducing.

mojopie2
10/25/13 8:41 pm

Dotails, feel free to minimize your risk with your frigid behavior, but don't you dare demand that people don't do it so you can keep your lunch down. Don't like gay sex, don't have it, but don't demand others don't to quell your self righteousness.

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 8:49 pm

Hey I am far from righteous I am a mess but if I see a hole that other seem to fall in and hurt themselves, if I love them I'm gonna mention the hole so they are aware.I love you and wont demand only make suggestions and hope you would do the same...

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/25/13 8:50 pm

...so I don't fall in any holes either. No need to get mad bro.

JennaAwesome Book Lover
10/25/13 5:17 am

The baby if course. Don't try to "change" his/her sexuality.

TheMadScientist the mad laboratory
10/25/13 4:04 am

As a teacher, though, I often sympathize with people being idiots.

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osouless Whats Next
10/25/13 3:11 am

I sympathize with the baby. However, if the abortion takes place before the second trimester ends i have no say in the matter.

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kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 6:26 am

Just curious--for what reasons do you pick that deadline?

osouless Whats Next
10/25/13 6:30 am

Thats the law. If my understanding is correct you can't have a legal abortion after the second trimester.

tydye
10/25/13 12:48 am

While although I support a woman's right to choose, you're a mother. No matter what, support your children or you aren't qualified to be a parent in the first place

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Octopus
10/25/13 12:42 am

I suppose I sympathize with the mother, because she's the one who is actually alive and it is still her right to choose what happens with her body and her life -- but I'm not leaning toward viewing her as a decent person, because she is basing her

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Octopus
10/25/13 12:44 am

choices on bigotry. Furthermore, I could sympathize with her due to all the hatred she must experience so often, and it may be a good thing that this child isn't born under her care. But that's a tough situation. Trying on my morals both ways.

kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 6:24 am

I feel like that's one of my lifelong journeys, is learning to have sympathy for people I detest and really trying to understand how much self-hatred they must feel if they turn it outward on others. That's not easy though.

fourwinds box of rain
10/25/13 12:34 am

Wow, talk about moral enigmas! Normally I would side with the mother's right to choose, no matter what her reasons. But I'm compelled to make a serious exception in this case when the reason for the abortion is bigotry.

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fourwinds box of rain
10/25/13 12:35 am

Excelent question, very thought provoking. Of course it's just a hypothetical, but maybe I'm not quite as rigid in my pro-choice beliefs as I thought. I wish I could come up with stuff like this!

fredd TrumpLand
10/24/13 11:41 pm

I feel sorry for the baby, having a bigot for a parent.

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fredd TrumpLand
10/25/13 12:44 am

Ah just realized I misread it. I presumed the baby was genetically selected.

My answer is still the same though.

RJ1969 SoCal
10/24/13 10:38 pm

I know you like the "gay gene" for questions, but you do know it's not a or even some genes, right?

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EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/24/13 10:42 pm

I dunno. I think kermie looks pretty good in his gay genes. As long as they're the relaxed fit, and not the boot cut.

RJ1969 SoCal
10/24/13 11:14 pm

Good point!

kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 6:22 am

Haha!

Yep, this is all just hypothetical.

Posco BBQ Enthusiast
10/24/13 10:30 pm

The mother. If she chose not to I would sympathize with the child for having to grow up in her home.

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TomM
10/24/13 9:49 pm

Ugh, don't like any of the choices. This is one of the reasons I don't think we should make genetic tests. The population should not be homogeneous through genetic selection.

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kermie gaytopia
10/24/13 10:15 pm

I don't disagree. But it's also an incoming ship we won't be able to stop.

TomM
10/25/13 4:10 am

Yes I know, and I don't like it.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/24/13 9:43 pm

Not to be callous, but IF mom is so opposed to having a gay child, and knowing it would be gay, abortion would spare the child all attempts by the mother to pray the gay away, and the deep scarring that said child was never loved, xcept by father?

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kermie gaytopia
10/24/13 9:45 pm

I don't think that's callous. A lot of people would have been better off not being born and avoiding traumatic lives. IMHO.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/24/13 9:45 pm

UNLESS of course mother could be convinced to carry to term and give the child to a loving, legally married gay couple in MN.

rolltribe Ohio
10/24/13 9:41 pm

If someone was somehow mortally opposed to any other genetic trait nobody would sympathize with the woman

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rolltribe Ohio
10/24/13 9:41 pm

Mortally?

*morally

kermie gaytopia
10/24/13 9:42 pm

Haha I was like, aww shit, did I say mortally opposed!?

kermie gaytopia
10/24/13 9:43 pm

I would still always sympathize with a woman who has to make that choice over a fetus who isn't even born. Even if her reasons are heinous.

fourwinds box of rain
10/25/13 12:40 am

I am a bit surprised by that. You may have much more integrity than me on this one, Kermie. I've always considered myself very rigidly pro choice, but I have never even considered a scenario like this. You've given me a lot to think about here.

kermie gaytopia
10/25/13 6:20 am

Oh good--that was the goal of the question :) there's no easy answer.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
10/24/13 9:40 pm

Sympathize with? The unborn.
Who do I think is a moron? The mother.

It's still her choice, though.

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kermie gaytopia
10/24/13 9:41 pm

You sympathize with something that isn't even alive?

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
10/24/13 9:43 pm

I suppose sympathize wouldn't be the word...

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
10/24/13 9:45 pm

Damn it. I'm going to bed. :P
I said mother in the end, because she is making this decision based on hatred for something which is natural.

kermie gaytopia
10/24/13 10:16 pm

There's that too. Good night ;)

kermie gaytopia
10/24/13 9:40 pm

h/t to MrMilkdud for proposing a variation of this question.

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MrMilkdud
10/24/13 10:00 pm

I like the way you worded this.
Results should be very interesting

kermie gaytopia
10/24/13 10:18 pm

I thought simply saying should mom have the right would just split down pro choice/pro life lines. I am kind of surprised how lopsided these results are though. I thought the pro-choice crowd would have more integrity on this.