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Show Of Hands October 24th, 2013 1:44pm

There's a fight at Wikipedia over banning editors who refer to the Wikileaks source as Bradley instead of Chelsea (Bradley Manning came out as transgender in Aug. and now prefers to be called Chelsea). Is the continued use of "Bradley" bigoted?

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Ausrine1533
10/29/13 2:06 pm

Coming from someone who is bisexual and pro-gay, I think it's just a stunt to win sympathy from gay organizations and plead a "I felt so lost and confused :'(" defense

dduncan55330 Elk River
10/28/13 1:40 pm

It technically is a mental disorder. The human brain is not supposed to want to be the other gender.

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ecartner blacksburg, va
10/28/13 12:47 pm

Refer to him as either. Link it to his wiki page and explain it further there.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
10/27/13 8:30 pm

He was Bradley at the time. That is the only fact that is relevant to the story. His transgender status is not relevant to the wiki leaks story

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poorincollege Boston metro
10/27/13 7:57 am

Just so long as there's an acknowledgment that they no longer go by that name I believe it's okay

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july475
10/26/13 7:41 pm

Well if his name isn't legally changed should it be considered his name? I don't think he has changed his gender yet...

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camovers Georgia
10/25/13 7:55 pm

Where's the respect? If someone wants to be called a certain name and/or pronoun, I don't see how that affects you.
Chelsea is in charge of her own name and I hope she gets the chance to legally change it one day.
LGBTQ are people too...

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july475
10/26/13 7:43 pm

But if the name hasn't been legally changed what do you do? Maybe they should use both names since it's an information site

NyC
10/28/13 12:44 pm

LOL! Where's the respect??!! We are talking about whom??

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/13 1:35 pm

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dryanmorr
10/25/13 11:53 am

Great and now we tax payers should pay for his hormones and surgery to make him look like a woman....

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scoobydoo Detroit
10/26/13 2:08 pm

Your politics are about as ignorant as that comment

dryanmorr
10/26/13 4:45 pm

Ya spending out money on incarcerated prisoners to go through hormone and surgery to look like the opposite sex. Ya, very ignorant.

polster2 US
10/25/13 8:33 am

He'll always be a man biologically.

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gatsbyxxv
10/25/13 7:40 am

He's a traitor no matter what the name. He lost his right so he gets called what he deserves not what he wants.

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Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
10/25/13 6:17 am

Whats the big deal? Transgendered people are technically mentally ill according to the DSM-5, although not everyone agrees. It is not considered a disorder in France. Just call him what he wants to be called and call it a day.

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dryanmorr
10/25/13 11:50 am

Should we then continue to call people with say multiple personality disorder by one of their multiple names?

dryanmorr
10/25/13 1:12 am

Your born a man you're a man.

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TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/25/13 5:10 am

True dry. Trying to change it makes one a sick bastard.

dryanmorr
10/25/13 11:47 am

Very true. You can cut off organs and inject hormones but guess what....your still a man...a deformed messed up one but still a man.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/24/13 10:27 pm

No! The use of "Chelsea" just buys into his delusion. It's time to stop allowing the mentally ill to dictate what we call them. This goes for Chastity Bono, too.

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singkitty In the cloud
10/25/13 5:01 am

The only sick person I know between the three of you is yourself. Being transgender isn't a mental illness.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/25/13 5:11 am

Laney again with the common sense. I'm glad we have level-headed people like you. :-)

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/25/13 5:20 am

Okie, just like you, bro, I tell it like it is and to Hell with the hate mail!

bnnt Los Angeles
10/24/13 9:59 pm

It was his name when it happened. What they should do is footnote it and say what his, or whatever's "her" name is now.

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skacey best poll is evenly split
10/24/13 9:53 pm

If I'm ever arrested, I wish to be called "He who hath wrought tyranny upon the oppressors of the forsaken flavors of Ben & Jerry's ice cream" - it's my new religion.

Anything less will be considered religious persecution.

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singkitty In the cloud
10/24/13 9:19 pm

If that's the legal name then that's the proper way to address her. I don't understand why people's panties get in a bunch over gender.

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/24/13 9:03 pm

Good frigging golly...

Regardless of the fact that Wikipedia demands use of sources which still say Bradley, and the fact that I think Bradley Manning is STILL Bradley Manning, he was Bradley when he did those things.

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discer middle of life
10/24/13 8:40 pm

My other penis is a vagina.

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jmav Beach
10/24/13 8:20 pm

It was a noble idea that turned out to be a horrible mistake. The UN is corrupt and useless.
Rwanda, Somalia, Congo, Uganda, Sudan, Bosnia, etc. all countries they have either looked away or got in trouble for rape and/or corruption.

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Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
10/25/13 6:27 am

What does that have to do with the question?

random12
10/24/13 8:07 pm

Why is this a question and the ones I post about meaningful current events not?

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mcdkm Houston
10/24/13 7:33 pm

Whenever he did what they are referring to he was Bradley so he should be referred to as Bradley.

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Gunfighter
10/24/13 7:20 pm

How in the world is he supposed to transition in Ft. Leavenworth? As far as I care, he's a "he" as long as he still has the anatomy of a man. I will refer to the despicable traitor as "Bradley".

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escapist xoxo
10/24/13 7:08 pm

These are the saddest results I've ever seen. Look at the suicide rates for trans-people before and after they transition and then tell me how it's unnecessary. Wikipedia should state facts-including her past as Bradley and that she is truly Chelsea

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Loadmaster Sacto
10/24/13 7:01 pm

Whatever name he published his documents or information under is the name that should be used. Anything before his "revelation" should be Bradley, anything after should be whatever he wants it to be.

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hoosierwisdom inner voice
10/24/13 6:10 pm

I believe the conviction says Bradley

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brisket Illinois
10/24/13 5:56 pm

Calling HIM Bradley is not being a bigot.

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BadWolf The Library
10/24/13 5:13 pm

You all should feel real proud of yourselves.

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redwolf thisisavalidlocation
10/24/13 5:30 pm

I feel proud of everyone.

jrrob CT
10/24/13 7:52 pm

My contempt for Manning has nothing to do with his sexuality. He's a traitor. If he truly feels like he is a woman and wants to be recognized as a woman, then he should be recognized as a man. Let him suffer. He doesn't deserve to have the same

jrrob CT
10/24/13 7:53 pm

Rights or compassion as other transgendered Americans.

batman1968 The Cave
10/24/13 4:44 pm

In the interest of accuracy, "he" was Bradley when the incident occurred. Man up, already! ...uh...yeah.

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TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 4:04 pm

I had a really vivid dream that I had 2 penises once and woke up trying to find the other 1! I was relieved to realize I was just dreaming, but if I wanted 2 penises, wouldn't it be bigoted for me not to be allowed to have 2 since I feel I should?

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think4yourself Not a safe space
10/24/13 4:11 pm

Yes and the taxpayers should pay for your fettish. Lol

getupbaby South City
10/24/13 4:15 pm

She wants to pay for it.

escapist xoxo
10/24/13 7:11 pm

How many times have you tried to kill yourself because you only have one penis?

TGood123 California
10/24/13 3:56 pm

"She" was Bradley when the information was leaked...

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TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 4:04 pm

And when he was convicted....

holidaex
10/24/13 3:52 pm

No, but we should be sentencing someone to do time, then assist them medically to change their sex...

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JamesMadison La Palma
10/24/13 3:30 pm

He (or she) was Bradley manning when he (or she) betrayed his ( or her) country

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DavesNotHere where am I
10/24/13 3:28 pm

I don't care what he/she wants to be called. Right now his/her name is a number. If Manning goes through a full reassignment, that means the taxpayers are paying for it. And that's wrong. A convicted felon in a federal prison doesn't have the same

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DavesNotHere where am I
10/24/13 3:28 pm

& privileges we enjoy. Stop making this traitor a hero.

DavesNotHere where am I
10/24/13 3:29 pm

*rights & privileges.

EarlyBird Portland
10/24/13 3:34 pm

Yes, agree.

getupbaby South City
10/24/13 3:38 pm

She's willing to pay for it herself.

EarlyBird Portland
10/24/13 3:41 pm

Getup- will she be sent to women's prison? A lot of people aren't going to like that.

getupbaby South City
10/24/13 3:48 pm

As far as your concerned, she's still a man, right. Shouldn't matter that she's in a men's prison. Ever seen the inside of a prison?? She'll have plenty of company.

EarlyBird Portland
10/24/13 3:52 pm

Getup - no, I've never seen the inside of a prison so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

getupbaby South City
10/24/13 3:55 pm

She wouldn't be the first transgendered prisoner the system has seen is what I'm getting at.

EarlyBird Portland
10/24/13 3:19 pm

If her name has been legally changed, call her Chelsea.

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TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 3:29 pm

It hasn't and won't be while he is in the Men's Military Prison.

EarlyBird Portland
10/24/13 3:33 pm

Then Bradley it is.

gonzoboy Arizona
10/25/13 2:25 am

Agreed Early. Bradley is technically and legally accurate, and remains this way until a Judge signs an order of change. If Wikipedia wants to be recognized as an aggregator and distributor of accurate data, "Chelsea" is an asterisk and footnote.

political Georgia
10/24/13 3:13 pm

Haha! It amazes me how this is an issue.

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NYevo NY
10/24/13 2:59 pm

Is the tax payer paying for this persons sex change hormones? I hope she's paying for that herself.

TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 3:31 pm

He isn't getting any hormones since he is in prison and the Army doesn't recognize "gender reassignment surgery" as medically necessary, which it isn't and is really just medical mutilation.

NYevo NY
10/25/13 4:12 am

I have no issue with people who have sex changes. Some people truly are born at odds with their physical gender. I just dont think taxpayers needs to foot the bill is all

TiredofIt Texas
10/25/13 6:05 am

Ya and we don't have to deal with their mental problems too.

Obroni Utah
10/24/13 2:59 pm

It is simple for anything that happened before a legal name change, use Bradly, for anything that happened after a legal name change, use Chelsea. If there is no legal name change, use Bradly. Problem solved.

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handshown The Midwest West Coast
10/24/13 8:24 pm

Why bring logic into an emotional argument? (sarcasm intended)

charims Nevada
10/24/13 2:46 pm

whatever the name was when the work was done. was there leagl documebtation on tge name change. I go for legal name at the time the work was completed. he/she went wit the name bradley all his/her life until now. bradley did the work befor, chelsea does the work now.

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tydye
10/24/13 2:42 pm

Inconsiderate and rude but not bigoted

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dudley northern Virginia woods
10/24/13 2:41 pm

It's already too confusing to bother with.

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TheCameron UCF
10/24/13 2:37 pm

Someone's gender is not always the same as their sex. Also both of those aren't binary.

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TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 2:39 pm

Since when?

getupbaby South City
10/24/13 4:11 pm

Every culture in human history has had transgendered members in it. It's not a new fad.

TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 4:15 pm

Ya, and other cultures recognized that those people were crazy! It's just now that we are supposed to all change the way we live to appease a few people who have messed up brains, but whose bodies are fine.

getupbaby South City
10/24/13 4:19 pm

We're all supposed to change the way we live?? Alarmist.

TheCameron UCF
10/24/13 4:19 pm

There are people born with ambiguous genitalia, and people that have xxy chromosome, what about bodies being fine now?

TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 4:22 pm

You are telling me I have to call him a her. How is that not changing how I live?

TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 4:23 pm

Ya I addressed this earlier. Some do have chromosome problems, but Bradley Manning doesn't and the vast majority of trannies don't. They make a choice an then want the rest of us to change how we view them to support their choice. No! Not Happening!

getupbaby South City
10/24/13 4:28 pm

You probably know several people that are assuming opposite gender roles and call them by their assumed pronouns too.

escapist xoxo
10/24/13 7:18 pm

The word "trannies" is a slur. And I promise that trans-people would rather have just been born with the correct bodies. Most trans-people aren't proud of being trans, they just wish they felt right. It's gender DYSPHORIA. Ever felt dysphoric?

8ESBABY Houston
10/27/13 3:55 am

@jwells: No, not how you live , how you speak. I think you meant, "Change your belief" perhaps?? That's what all of this boils down to IMO. I mean, b/c it directly affects no one so ...*shrug*

TiredofIt Texas
10/27/13 7:54 am

Trannies are an embarrassment and now in CA, all public school with kids down to Kindergarten can decide for themselves which bathroom they want to use, which spores team in high school they will play on, and where they can shower in HS. No, trannies

TiredofIt Texas
10/27/13 7:56 am

Are not anywhere close to normal and you people who expect me and the rest of the world to believe it is are absolutely crazy. Trannies are crazy and need mental help, not to mutilate their bodies and then expect normal people to fall in love w/ them

TiredofIt Texas
10/27/13 7:57 am

Like that dude on the Real World a few years ago who became a chick and then was mad that HE as a she could not find a guy who was ok with HIS sex change. Umm duuuuuh???? You destroyed your body and want me to just accept that and screw a dude? Nope.

TiredofIt Texas
10/27/13 8:00 am

Getupbaby, I probably know what? You are saying I probably know trannies and don't realize it? Lmao! That would be funny and would prove I'm blind bc it's obvious. I had a TA in college who was a chick and became a dude. Never spoke to HER...

8ESBABY Houston
10/27/13 11:06 am

LOL, Getupbaby?!? Not offended, quite comical! =)

I'm not going to ping pong this argument with u b/c your last statement confirmed (again) my initial suspicions. We'll just agree to disagree! See how that works?Good day! =)

8ESBABY Houston
10/27/13 11:26 am

Actually, I do have a serious question to as you. Especially after reading your statements while I was on the phone.

Where you tricked by a tranny?!?!?!? (Be honest, I won't tell). Because your comments go beyond beyond belief and stop at personal.

TiredofIt Texas
10/27/13 11:30 am

Hahaha that's funny. They are quite obvious, so no. But now that my kids have to be exposed to psychos like that in the bathroom, I am actively looking for private schools, or to move out of the state entirely bc this is unacceptable for kids.

NYevo NY
10/24/13 2:22 pm

First of all, was his/her name changed legally? Second of all, wtf? Wasn't this person convicted of espionage? What name this person goes by makes news?

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drazdar 48348
10/24/13 2:13 pm

It's common decency to refer to anyone by their gender identity. You don't have to like it, but out of respect you should do it anyway

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TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 2:40 pm

And they should, out of respect for children who shouldn't be exposed to their indecency and inappropriateness, stay the same sex every cell in their body tells them they should be.

getupbaby South City
10/24/13 4:30 pm

Indecent is a word that does come to mind when I read your comments.

TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 4:32 pm

Only when stupid liberals makes no logical sense.

pokelova
10/24/13 1:45 pm

You're a cunt if you call her Bradley, but I don't agree with banning those who do.

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TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 2:41 pm

And you are actually a c u n t for calling HIM Chelsea

jrrob CT
10/24/13 2:49 pm

His name is Bradley.

getupbaby South City
10/24/13 3:58 pm

Her name name will soon be Chelsea. It's not something you can stop from happening with wishful thinking.

TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 4:00 pm

He doesn't get out of prison for at least 29 years, and it won't happen while he is in prison, so the wishful thinking is really on your part....

think4yourself Not a safe space
10/24/13 4:06 pm

He will be someone's Chelsea in prison.

getupbaby South City
10/24/13 4:12 pm

Sooner, later. It's going to happen. People do it more and more every day.

TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 4:17 pm

Later is more like it. Like in 20 years when no one even remembers him.

jrrob CT
10/24/13 7:44 pm

He'll be out in 6 years.

jameso Illinois
10/24/13 1:37 pm

Bradley is the name by which most people know him/her. editors are fine for using the name their readers would recognize best.

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TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 2:46 pm

Just to be clear, it's people editing Wikipedia, so anyone who goes there will read "him" or "her".

stefanie22 Cincinnati
10/24/13 1:34 pm

Depends on whether or not the name change has been done legally or just a preference. If he's legally changed his name then fine, but I still refuse to call Snoop Dogg, Snoop Lion!

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jrrob CT
10/24/13 1:22 pm

He should be known as Bradley Manning, executed for treason on this date.

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denvermax432
10/24/13 1:29 pm

Dumbest thing I've read on here ever

Congressman Louisiana
10/24/13 1:29 pm

So you believe Snowden is a traitor as well?

redwolf thisisavalidlocation
10/24/13 1:34 pm

Snowden is a traitor. That's a fact.

redwolf thisisavalidlocation
10/24/13 1:34 pm

I was on Snowden's side until he ran to Russia. Is there really any question that he is giving them our secrets? That's the definition of a traitor.

redwolf thisisavalidlocation
10/24/13 1:36 pm

However, he can't be tried for treason because the founders intentionally made it extremely difficult to try someone for that charge. There would have to be two witnesses of the same overt act. That means two people would have had to witness him hit

redwolf thisisavalidlocation
10/24/13 1:37 pm

The send button, which isn't gonna Happen.

jrrob CT
10/24/13 1:38 pm

Denver. Your entitled to your opinion, but I'm certainly not offended by you.

denvermax432
10/24/13 1:40 pm

He went to Russia because he feared what happened to Manning (almost a decade of solitary confinement among other things) would happen to him. He knew Russia would extradite him.

denvermax432
10/24/13 1:41 pm

Good. I don't mean to offend you either but calling for the murder of a guy that exposed criminal behavior, regardless of who the criminal is , is dumb.

redwolf thisisavalidlocation
10/24/13 1:44 pm

He shouldn't be executed for being a whistleblower. I support him all day for that. But giving our secrets to russia and China is treason, which is punishable by death. However, he needs to be tried first. Manning was not a whistleblower, he did what

jrrob CT
10/24/13 1:45 pm

Denver. Is that your most intelligent comment? I don't see where you offered anything except how dumb I am.

redwolf thisisavalidlocation
10/24/13 1:46 pm

He did with the intent of damaging the US. Snowden (at least I thought) did it to expose the gov. to the American people. There is a huge difference. The American people would never have allowed what is happening to manning to happen to Snowden if he

TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 2:47 pm

Manning and Snowden did 2 totally different things. Anyone who automatically claims they must support both is an idiot and doesn't have very good comprehension skills.

skeptisys
10/24/13 1:17 pm

Similar to the fight when Mohammed Ali changed his name. At the time many refused to call him by his chosen name. Manning is a hero who sacrificed so much for our country that I would call her whatever she wants. Respect.

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jrrob CT
10/24/13 1:56 pm

How is someone that risked the security of our nation and endangered the lives of out troops, a hero. His sexuality has nothing to do with the fact that he committed treason.

think4yourself Not a safe space
10/24/13 1:57 pm

To the liberals any guy that puts on a dress can do no wrong.

jrrob CT
10/24/13 2:01 pm

Yeah. These guys that do mass shootings should just wear a dress and claim they need a sex change.

TiredofIt Texas
10/24/13 4:01 pm

Lmao! He is a traitor who came up with this b u l l s h I t so he might not get raped too much in prison. You are funny for believing it.

makem Chinese Xinjiang Camp
10/24/13 1:15 pm

You are as you are born. You DNA says so

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justmebcimme I live for Dean and Cas
10/24/13 1:21 pm

Yes, but if you don't like who you are born, then it's good to change sex.
Just like how you buy the own things to make them more "you", the same way trance people change their actual body.

think4yourself Not a safe space
10/24/13 1:42 pm

Oh yeah. And if you decide you want your penis under your arm you should sew it on there.

pisomojado
10/24/13 1:07 pm

People should be called what they want to be called. Sometimes it might get a little complicated, but the point still holds.

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