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TempName14 October 22nd, 2013 11:48pm

A senior Okla. democrat party official once said that the cost of welfare is a small price to pay for keeping blacks out of white neighborhoods. The implication is that welfare traps people and keeps then from moving up. Is this what welfare does?

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3acn
10/24/13 1:03 am

The way the government administers it today? Yes!
There is value in welfare being a stigma (to a point). But government works hard to make it the norm. The next generation will never enjoy working hard and recognizing self worth thanks to the system.

msa116 Pennsylvania
10/23/13 8:55 pm

Read "Losing Ground" its a little dated but it speaks volume to generational welfare addiction

ozzy
10/23/13 6:29 am

Welfare now pays more than the ave single Americans wages after taxes

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ozzy
10/23/13 6:27 am

YES. So does minimum wage legislation

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ScrewU Gone
10/23/13 5:00 am

The people who abuse welfare are not living on welfare, they're using it to supplement the income they obtain under the table. That's why you see so many Cadillac Escalades parked in front of public housing.

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robbyjr04
10/23/13 1:33 am

Why work when you can sustain an existence, not an enjoyable one but still, without doing a thing?

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dryanmorr
10/23/13 12:17 am

Kinda agree with the democrat. Keep living off the government and look what happens.

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/22/13 11:46 pm

Based on results, yes.

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jmw7477 Indiana
10/22/13 10:57 pm

It's not welfare that does it. It's the people & their way of thinking. My sister-in-law worked harder at trying to get welfare than she ever did at a job. It's the "I can't & the world owes me" mentality. Get over yourself & get a job.

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comppete Las Vegas
10/22/13 10:01 pm

Absolutely it does.

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Minyanko Tumblr
10/22/13 7:57 pm

Only if you want to mooch and are lazy. If you actually need it to get by while looking for a job, then no

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ohai
10/22/13 8:32 pm

This is exactly what I was going to say

Or start your own business!

But people who rely on it as a primary form of existence obviously aren't going to make much more than the gov. pays them and they drain the system for those who really need it

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
10/22/13 7:57 pm

Look at neighborhoods where a majority of folks are on welfare. You'll get your answer.

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doctalk not all who wander r lost
10/22/13 7:43 pm

Not racially oriented, however it diminish essential survival drives.

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TierasPet
10/22/13 7:36 pm

It does trap people but only the ones to lazy to look for work. I agree it is designed to do that. Apathetic people paid by government to sit home and do nothing don't tend to complain about government. Pretty smart move on gov part. Complete control

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TierasPet
10/22/13 7:38 pm

I don't think it's aimed at any particular race if that was part of your question, it didn't seen to be. I also don't think it applies to those who really can't work and should be on disability.

cowboy Here and There
10/22/13 7:14 pm

Of course it does, by design.

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shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/22/13 6:48 pm

No - I see daily proof that that is not true for all recipients and with the welfare reform that went into place under President Clinton I don't understand how that could still be true for anyone

honest
10/22/13 6:40 pm

Why would someone work for what they can get for free?

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evoecon nearest binary system
10/22/13 6:33 pm

I am listening, instead of rereading, "The Road to Serfdom". The Preface would absolutely be a description of current day Britain and much of the U.S. Hayek was correct.

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Diogenes FreeMeBe
10/22/13 6:01 pm

It was all part of LBJ's Great Society.

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gonzoboy Arizona
10/22/13 6:01 pm

Abso-freakin'-lutely

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AngryAngel Oswego, IL
10/22/13 5:31 pm

Welfare is a way for the government to control you, they want to show how much they "care" while controlling you like a puppet behind the scenes. They want us all to be illiterate and depend on the government to feed us and take care of us.

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thejoker Call me Bartholomew
10/22/13 5:24 pm

That is so racist. I promise I am not misusing the word either. That's just wrong.

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zman117 Ohio
10/22/13 5:20 pm

That's a bunch of hogwash is what it is

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0Reagan0 New York
10/22/13 5:13 pm

The recipients trap themselves through be becoming overly reliant and improperly using the welfare.

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SugarShaq
10/22/13 7:11 pm

We never cut them off, or limit how many children are covered. There is no incentive to get off. It's like giving people drugs.

magnum
10/22/13 5:08 pm

Well, generations of people on welfare programs probably mean nothing.

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magnum
10/22/13 6:03 pm

Bazzzing

DrReid Ever present.
10/22/13 5:07 pm

It helped Paul Ryan climb the latter...

Seriously this is one of the oldest and most predictable conservative tropes out there. Claim it causes dependency, and when asked for proof, talk about your no good dependent, neighbors and the family you saw

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DrReid Ever present.
10/22/13 5:08 pm

At your local shopping mart.

beanD California
10/22/13 5:11 pm

Maybe I'm not fully understanding, but I don't see how using anecdotes to prove a point is bad...

jimiscott Survivor
10/22/13 5:11 pm

I saw some at macey's....errr, I mean mega-lo-mart.

DrReid Ever present.
10/22/13 5:32 pm

They aren't falsifiable, and aren't typically good data. While some like to rely on personal anecdotes for the benefit of those who already agree with them. Anecdotal evidence is not part of a serious intellectual debate. It is worthless compared to

DrReid Ever present.
10/22/13 5:32 pm

Quantifiable objective data. Especially from other nations.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/22/13 5:37 pm

Ha ha Jimi and beanD. Lol.

beanD California
10/22/13 5:56 pm

If I gave you anecdotes about people who have benefited from welfare and gone back to being financially independent, would you say the same thing?

DrReid Ever present.
10/22/13 6:38 pm

Of course! Data is always preferable to stories, though I did mention Paul Ryan, so I failed in that regard. However, perhaps anecdotal stories by both sides are fine if they can be validated by others.

swjboucher Just Run
10/22/13 5:04 pm

Okie
Great question.

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CTYankee!!! Connecticut
10/22/13 4:57 pm

It depends. Welfare was meant to be a temporary safety net for those who experience hardship. However many see it as a way of life and to remain on welfare you need to remain under the poverty level.

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rons screw politicians
10/22/13 4:55 pm

it's called progressive management!

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jimiscott Survivor
10/22/13 4:54 pm

I don't buy that.

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TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/22/13 4:58 pm

What's your position?

jimiscott Survivor
10/22/13 5:02 pm

I don't se it as a trap. I do think that reform needs to be made to stop those that make a career out of it though. I know several people that have used the safety net and bounced back.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/22/13 5:05 pm

I think most democrats would view "reform" as code for cutting somebody off, including the career recipient.

jimiscott Survivor
10/22/13 5:07 pm

Now that I'd buy.

veritas1 Panda
10/22/13 4:53 pm

The fact that the countries with the highest income mobilities (of which the U.S. is not one) have large welfare states explicitly contradicts that claim.

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MrMilkdud
10/22/13 4:56 pm

So you're saying that the US model of welfare keeps people down and entrenched in generational poverty?
I completely agree.

veritas1 Panda
10/22/13 4:57 pm

The US has the smaller welfare state and lower income mobility. The larger welfare states have higher income mobility.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/22/13 5:01 pm

Veritas. Are you saying that if we gave even more benefits to welfare recipients then that would move them up? I agree that giving them $5k more moves them up $5k, but I don't see how it moves them off welfare.

MrMilkdud
10/22/13 5:26 pm

Veritas, your claim doesn't seem to be logically consistent. Either you're defining "welfare" in a unique way to distort numbers, or your otherwise masking the fact that a large welfare state has an inherently low income mobility.

MrMilkdud
10/22/13 5:27 pm

By the simple fact that people on welfare, at least in the US, have low incomes. Unless you're referring to European style welfare models, which act like a revolving door as people constantly get off and go back on, giving the appearance of ...

MrMilkdud
10/22/13 5:28 pm

...increasing income as people leave the welfare line, and then masking it as people go back on a few months later.

MrMilkdud
10/22/13 5:28 pm

Whereas in the US, people who go on welfare tend to stay on welfare.

ScottyDoesNo Stand back and stand by
10/22/13 4:53 pm

It keeps blacks on the Democrat plantation, which is all by design.

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veritas1 Panda
10/22/13 4:56 pm

…or maybe black people are actually capable of rational thought and can indeed think for themselves. I know might be preposterous to your worldview, but have you considered that it's not that they are stupid, ignorant, and/or complacent.

think4yourself Not a safe space
10/22/13 5:34 pm

Just the conservative blacks appear to have rational thought.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/22/13 4:52 pm

Keeps "them" from moving up.

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think4yourself Not a safe space
10/22/13 5:35 pm

Didn't hold down the Jeffersons.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/22/13 4:49 pm

And since most welfare recipients are white, I suppose it keeps the white trash out of the neighborhoods too.

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rons screw politicians
10/22/13 4:57 pm

is that a percentage within a race.