The average annual salary for public school teachers in the United States is around $55,000. Are teachers in this nation underpaid?
The problem is that the good ones cannot make more due to unions, so they go into administration to make more money
Come to NC! Underpaid is an understatement!
They are paid what they are worth, based on the market, but mostly, they are also undertrained and underqualified. We need higher standards for our teachers. Look to Finland's model as a starting point.
Damn I shoulda been a teacher. 55k is far from underpaid.
Teachers are underpaid on purpose. It was set up so that only people who love the job would do it, and there will be better teachers. It's the same deal with fireman and policeman.
Yes, but, IMO, mostly at the bottom end. There are many that are overpaid at the upper end as well. That is opinion. I do agree that it typically is going to be what the going rate is for the area (state, city).
They are paid what the market will bear. Just like every other position out there. Market forces shape every job and pay scale.
This, teachers here start in the 50's and can top out in the 80's.
Teachers in Oregon and Arizona typically start between $32K and $35K, and most districts are not giving raises, step increases, or cost of living. I'd LOVE to have a salary of $50K, but that won't be happening until I have 20 years of experience.
Eh the national average isn't much to go on. I know the average in Kansas is upper 30's to low 40's which I see as fair here due to lower cost of living but not enough in other areas.
This is another one where men (and a lot of boys) have no respect for the difficulty of this profession. You're not just dealing with 30 kids...you're dealing with the messed up parents. And that is a whole different story.
Try 150-200 kids, if you're a teacher in secondary education. But yeah, good point.
Just pay them what babysitters get. Figure $5 an hour...times 8 hours...times 30 kids....times about 200 days a year....$240,000. Yeah, that seems about right.
If they were paid for performance then it would be less than that.
If their job was based on performance a lot of them would be fired.
Let's see...harder job...teacher, or programmer.....hmmmmm?
Not if you include cheap healthcare, tenure, two months off a year, and more pay (depending on district) for coaching.
Tenure? What's that? Is it something like unicorns and leprechauns?
Super interesting article about being "worth" a salary. Long, but VERY interesting.
They are underpaid, especially at younger grades. We need to up our primary school standards and increase pay to teachers. Also, research shows that more money in education doesn't mean better results. It's how you spend the money. Just sayin'.
I know it's unpopular, but I believe teachers are very adequately paid. The median salary for one teacher is equal to the median income for a household. There are certain pros and cons, but even with those considerations, I think it's more than fair.
Very underpaid. What they do is more important than throwing a football or hitting a home run.
Most businesses do not pay based upon the importance of your role, they pay based upon your contribution to the bottom line. Poor results earns less pay.
This is one of those things that's easy to say. Oh the poor teachers/fire fighters/cops etc etc. $55k is just fine.
I think that's a fair wage
Very much so.. They should be in the top 25% for high paying jobs..
A single person making $55,000 is in the top 13 percent.
Ok they should be in the top 5%.. 80 to 90 thousand..
Based on what? Why that wage?
My sister, sister-in-law, 2 nieces and an uncle are teachers, they deserve way more then they get..
What other job gets paid that much and gets three months vacation in the summer, a spring break, a winter break, and all the holidays in between?
I'll take it
And the generous pension.
Three months? More like 6 weeks. And contrary to popular belief, we don't get paid vacation or ANY paid holidays.
Yes, I think so!
Yes, for the most part.
Based on what?
Yes, teachers are under paid.
It's not about what's fair, it's about the market. Their pay is determined by the demand that exists and how much schooling they had to go to in order to get that position at an entry level.
Ya think maybe something is wrong with the market when grinding on a pole with your tongue wagging like a dog makes 50 or more times than that of a teacher?
How can the market be wrong...? I think teachers are more valuable than strippers. Enough people with enough money disagree and are willing to direct their money toward paying those strippers' wages...
How can the market be wrong? Because the market is run and directed by imperfect, irrational people. "The market" is not this imaginary perfect thing. Stupid republicans without college degrees....
I have a college degree, and I find it funny that someone from West Virginia is willing to toss out a blanketed, uninformed statement about who's stupid. My point is it's that way for a reason. There isn't enough demand for public school...
... teachers to warrant them being paid any more than that. Period. I'm sorry if that bugs teachers, but you can't have the government pick and choose who they think should be paid more and less to satisfy the masses (many of whom are...
... poor, stupid Democrats without college degrees, so don't throw stones from your glass house).
Oh dear, I can only believe you have some bs liberal arts degree because you sure as hell do not understand demand or markets. Tell me again how a profession that is 100% regulated by and dictated by government is subject to market demands!
Because if governments drive up taxes to pay for public school teachers' salaries to make it so that they're justly compensated in your mind, why the hell wouldn't people just pay for private school at that point? Public school teachers...
... aren't paid that much because they have a fairly untaxing major, fairly little required schooling, low demand (there are TONS of people lining up to be teachers) and their job comes with tons of perks. They shouldn't be paid more just because.
You don't understand how government funding works.... Can you tell me why the superintendent is worth 4-6 times more than a teacher? Does he/she work 4-6X harder? Or do 4-6x more work?
He/she has 4-6x as much responsibility. He/she took about 4-6x as much time, work and career accomplishments to be at that position. That's what matters.
The average public school teacher in Chicago makes more than $70,000 per year. Four-fifths of the eighth graders are not proficient in math, and four-fifths are not proficient in reading.
Some areas are like that- please don't judge all teachers and all teachers' salaries by the bad examples.
My area is like that, too. I think there is a 65% graduation rate even though dropping out is illegal.
Maybe the pay is so high because they can't find teachers?
I will take 55k to work 9 months of the year!
Comrade, if some areas are like that, then would it be fair to say we should not generalize that teachers, as a profession, should make more money?
Generalizations, in most cases, are wrong - including pay generalizations.
Averages are notoriously misleading, especially across an entire nation as they can't account for outliers, which in this case would be high pulling the average up, and cost of living expenses.
9 months? More like working summers. Sure it's not the same everywhere. But not only do teachers get a shorter summer than students. It came out to about 1.5 months. They also had to have their lesson plans and objectives planned out for weeks...
...in advance. They also only got 2 sick days during the school year, so think of the breaks as their personal days that they don't get during the entire school year. Also, out of our 11 high schools, 4 or so would not close all summer (meaning...
...there were teachers teaching) generally because they wanted extra money. And at my specific high school, the IB teachers were required to attend speeches, workshops, and meetings on the program and all that. Now what if I told you that they...
...all start at $39,000? They make well under the average income in wealthy Virginia and work just as much as anyone else. If not more because they also put up with 120-150 rowdy, hormone-raging teenagers every day.
So sure, it's a blessing to get $70,000 (even though the cost of living is much higher and they're unionized) but there are those that put in a lot down here too that are still trampled on and not properly compensated.
Depends on the teacher experience, level, and quality. New teacher out of college shouldn't be making more than $35k, high school more than elementary, STEM at a higher rate.
New teachers are lucky to make even 30k. most new teachers will make low 20s and pay is independent of field.
As it should be.
All subjects are important.
Not really... a gym teacher and art teacher shouldn't be making what the calc and physics teacher is making all other things equal.
Teachers worked hard and put I more time than most of the corporate people. They deserved it and more.
Business does not pay based upon efforts, they pay based on results. Why do they deserve more?
Many good teachers. Can you read and write? That is very positive results.
I would have to say that basic literacy is, at best, a minimal standard. Literacy alone will not be sufficient for gainful employment in the US.
The problem today is not the teachers, but the parents particularly in the intercity which views them as baby sitters. Sad but true.
If that is the case, how does it justify higher pay for teachers?
So, if you have two average earning teachers in the household you're making $110k with 3 months off.
That would put them into the top income quintile (top 20% of all households in the US).
83% mark to be specific
Plus the summer vacation
And the great pension.
No, that puts you at the 60 percent mark -- more than most people make -- for nine or ten months of work.
and substantially more working hours during those months than most other jobs. not to mention the continuing education classes and prep work which tends to dominate those months "off".
"National data shows that on average teachers work fewer hours per week than people in other professions -- nearly three hours a week less."
Source please. This is not my experience of myself and my colleagues.
thank you I'll look into this information
ok, I have a few issues with this. Margin of error is not stated, and with approx 24 minutes difference per day the actual difference is statistically insignificant. Especially with stated issues like self categorization of activity.
It combines all levels of teaching, so for example kindergarten teachers who will obviously have less take home work draw the average down significantly.
No not true.
Swjboucher, what is not true? Based on what data?
This is the equivalent to "is not", "is too" arguing.
I think he misplaced his comment, I took this as an intended reply to the thread below.
No! Our schools are failing the next generation. Until they start showing improvements they should get cuts or fired.
teachers tend not to be at the root of the issue, and paying the position less certainly won't draw gifted teachers to the field. allowing autonomy in the classroom will.
Hold the folks on the front lines accountable and they will expose the fallers within the system. The issue will be holding the failed system responsible.
Would you hold an enlisted man responsible for the failure of a battle? No. Teachers have to work within the system, changes are not welcome, by administration or parents. Few places are willing to step out of the norm and even then its limited.
Yes as a Marine I would. We all have our objectives that need to be carried out.
But you aren't allowed to deviant from the plan. If the plan was a failure, you blame the plan creator, not those bound to the plan.
I never blamed those under me when my plans as an officer went awry. And in my study of history, I don't hold those fighting on the trenches of WWI responsible for the poor tactics, I blame the chateau generals.
Woah. I wish I made that much.
(For the record, I am a teacher.)
I know, right! I wish I were even close!
Seriously. It's about half of that....
This frustrates me. You two deserve more. The only thing preventing me from becoming a teacher in secondary education is the low pay.
There's that, and at the school I went to, the teachers were ineffective in getting a bunch of horny binge-drinking teen rednecks to actually care about the subjects taught. Football and getting laid/drunk (or both) took priority over Shakespeare.
Depends on how you look at it. Thats $6,100/mo, with 3 mos off in which they can do another job if they wish.
please, don't forget taxes and all that other good stuff, as well as the fact that it's still paid over the whole year, not just in the school months. take home each month is substantially less than that.
Some are. Most not.