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kermie October 21st, 2013 1:37pm

If a definitive "gay gene" were discovered, would it do more to promote the acceptance of homosexuality (see, it's innate, not chosen) or the rejection of homosexuality (see, it can be cured and prevented)?

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rightway101 the thought provoker
10/21/13 8:24 pm

Bad. Parents may begin snorting because their child has the gay gene

rightway101 the thought provoker
10/21/13 8:24 pm

Snorting wow phone what the hell *aborting

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/21/13 9:19 pm

Yeah that would be sad. Love is the answer. We are responsible to train our children to have control over our body instead of letting our body control itself... In love.

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 10:16 pm

Well they might snort too ;)

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/21/13 4:24 pm

We can develop genes at will in the lab so just because a gene is there mutated or synthetic doesn't make the action healthy. We all have feelings but we also have choice which means we are accountable for our actions.Any attempt to alleviate...

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dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/21/13 4:25 pm

...will fall short because we do not have the means.

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/21/13 4:30 pm

Short of killing our braincells or otherwise retard ourselves to the point of loosing the capability to make free choices. Freewill is attached to accountability so if you want to alleviate shame you would have to relinquish your control of ur body.

bliggs Veni Vidi Vigor
10/21/13 7:05 pm

So... What is your point?

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/21/13 9:13 pm

My first sentence was my point
We can develop genes at will in the lab so just because a gene exists mutated or synthetic doesn't make the actions, it could suggest, healthy.Our genes don't control us. If they did there would be no self control or...

dotails DotUrTsAndCrossUrEyes
10/21/13 9:15 pm

Free will.We should both love everyone even those with an mutations, even those who choose to act on those genes suggestive properties I always want to end on this note because love is the only way to begin the healing that humanity needs.Hip but tru

KAnne Atlantic City, NJ
10/21/13 3:56 pm

Acceptance. It doesn't matter what "causes" an orientation because there's no wrong or right about it.

truenuff
10/21/13 7:38 pm

What if a person is "oriented" towards having sex with animals?

kellyw The Mississippi Delta
10/21/13 10:20 pm

So what? As long as they're not abusing animals, who cares if they find it erotic? Animals cannot consent to sex with humans, but other adult humans can.

truenuff
10/21/13 1:26 pm

Either way I wish there was more help available for those poor people.

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kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 2:38 pm

Help who with what?

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/21/13 5:32 pm

I wish there more available help for people who thought like this.

Matt1981 The Who Dat Nation
10/21/13 12:38 pm

Acceptance. It's sad that people stand against gay rights because of a religious belief. From that POV though if my God creates people, and homosexuality is a sin to that creator, then it can't be possible that people are born that way.

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Matt1981 The Who Dat Nation
10/21/13 12:40 pm

God wouldn't create people in sin. If you throw proof in their faces that people are actually born that way then those people by their own beliefs would have to show compassion right?

Pastafarian Planet Earth
10/21/13 12:00 pm

I was in class the other day and the teacher said," How many of you think that being gay is a choice." Most of the kids in my class raised their hand. We argued about the topic. I don't think they would believe its genetic if there was proof.

Mattwall1
10/21/13 5:16 pm

When did they choose to be straight?

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
10/21/13 11:31 am

If homosexuality were genetic, natural selection would have weeded it out by now.

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duey in a fools paradise
10/21/13 10:21 am

I don't care one way or the other anyway. Sorry but there are so many other issues to deal with this is like No. 50 on a list of 50.

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FemmeAdamWest in the Tardis library
10/21/13 10:16 am

Sadly, I think it would still be rejected.

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EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/21/13 11:02 am

It would, until a bunch of people (and their kids) die.

ajpreyes Laveen
10/21/13 9:24 am

Recent neuroscience studies have found that sex, gender and orientation are formed in the womb during the first trimester. I can't remember what week specifically, but it depends on the mothers hormones at that specific time.

blackphoenix New York
10/21/13 12:51 pm

I'm a bit confused at what you mean. First of all, sex and gender are the same thing and have nothing to do with a mother's hormones. Second of all, sex is determined by the father donating an x or y chromosome to the offspring.

ajpreyes Laveen
10/21/13 1:17 pm

If it were as simple as an X or a Y sadly .

Sex = physical body parts
Gender = state of being male or female as defined by societal norms

This is where transgender issues happen, when the gender of a person doesn't match the sex.

blackphoenix New York
10/21/13 2:09 pm

Fair enough. We learn something new everyday I suppose. :)

magnum
10/21/13 8:24 am

It would finally shut up the homophobic religious people.

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kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 8:28 am

Let's hope. I wouldn't count on it though.

wiildkat Propertarian
10/21/13 8:06 am

It would be interesting to see a poll taken by LGBTs to see if they would have preferred if that gene could have been altered in them or if they would prefer to be as they are. I have no idea what the answer would be. I'd love to know.

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kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 8:28 am

Yeah that would be interesting. I wouldn't change it for myself if I could. Now. I would have as a teenager though.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/21/13 7:34 am

Aside from ancient superstition arguments, there is no good reason to not accept gays like everyone else.

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Cole12 ...
10/21/13 7:27 am

Whether it's a choice (it's obviously not though), a gene, or something else, I fully support the right of people of all sexualities to live their lives as they choose and accept everyone for who they are.

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EarlyBird Portland
10/21/13 7:23 am

Has to be acceptance Kermie. People will finally understand it's not a sexual deviation that people do for fun. There will be evidence. However, many will say it's treatable, blah, blah,.. But who cares?!

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wookiecookie
10/21/13 7:09 am

Most thought provoking question I've seen all week.
Shared.

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kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:09 am

Thanks! How did you answer?

wookiecookie
10/21/13 7:15 am

I'm still sitting here contemplating, but I'm leaning more towards rejection & that's what I chose for now.

wookiecookie
10/21/13 7:45 am

..for all the reasons that you stated below. Only I disagree with milkdud. I can see how many religious individuals would jump on the opportunity of accepting the termination of carrying something they believe is some sort of abomination.

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
10/21/13 7:05 am

I'm quite sure it is genetic. Seems to run in families my brother was gay as is my son. I have a cousin whose a lesbian also. And different other side of the family gay.

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kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:09 am

If there's anyone else anywhere in my family, they sure are quiet about it lol

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
10/21/13 8:07 am

Well my dear ShowOfHands son, I hope this it becomes more acceptable more people will be less afraid to come out of the closet. I long for the day when people stop to start talking I don't have to say
"Excuse me my son is gay. Please don't use that

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
10/21/13 8:11 am

please do not use that word. I long for the day when ones sexuality is not a matter of discussion or laws. When I was young there were many people that thought marriage between people of different skin tones should be illegal.

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
10/21/13 6:59 am

I already am very outspoken and work hard for acceptance. :-)

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jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/21/13 6:54 am

Well I'm sure this won't be popular but here's my thoughts-- being attracted to the same gender is not a choice any more than being attracted to the opposite gender. The choice comes in when deciding to ACT on those attractions. In my beliefs, ANY...

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jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/21/13 6:55 am

..sex outside side of legal marriage is wrong whether it's heterosexual or homosexual. That's what I have issues with.

jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/21/13 6:56 am

And I believe that marriage was instituted by God and is a religious rite that is ONLY between one man and one woman.

JiveYoungKing The Banter Boy
10/21/13 7:06 am

You in favor of taking government out of marriage completely then?

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:08 am

I think that's an internally consistent view. Very cruel to the people in that position, in my opinion. But I won't flame you for it. I get why you would believe that.

jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/21/13 7:12 am

Jive- yes. I shouldn't have had to ask the gov't for permission to have a religious ceremony conducted between me and another consenting adult. And I still have to show that piece of paper (the license) in certain circumstances. That being said...

jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/21/13 7:12 am

...since they do require it, I better damn well get the tax benefits from complying with their crap.

JiveYoungKing The Banter Boy
10/21/13 7:14 am

Fair enough. I have no problem with your stance nor should anyone else.

jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/21/13 7:15 am

Kermie- my BIL is gay. My step-son was, too. I've had lots of acquaintances who are. I have no issue with someone identifying as LGBT anymore than someone who identifies as being straight. I have the same issue with heteros having sex outside of...

jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/21/13 7:17 am

...marriage. How is that cruel to LGBT?? I hold ALL people to that standard not just one group (unless you call "unmarried" one group and "married" another).

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:23 am

Right, that's what I meant. The idea that someone can't/shouldn't have sex just because they can't or don't want to get married, gay or straight, is cruel to me.

jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/21/13 7:29 am

I understand, Kermie. I am what most people today call "quaint", "old-fashioned", "behind the times". I hold to truths and morals that have been in place for a very long time. Nothing will change that. My belief in God's unchanging laws is firm.

jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/21/13 7:32 am

I try not to be judgmental, though. If someone chooses a lifestyle I don't morally agree with, whatever. If it's not impacting me, I'm not going to say anything. I don't allow it in my home and my BIL is aware of that. My house, my rules. But I'll...

jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/21/13 7:32 am

...give my opinion when asked!! :-)

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 8:25 am

Well that's what this app is all about ;)

huskermedic Cincinnati
10/21/13 9:09 pm

Nice exchange were is my clapping smile!

I agree, gov needs to get out of marriage I am a God believer as well, let Church's marry, if you don't believe in God there is no point to marry anyway ( if gov was out of it)

suppressedID suck it Kyle
10/21/13 6:50 am

Sadly, it would command more research budget than cancer.

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bMyComrade Stumptown
10/21/13 6:59 am

Most likely, it would almost assuredly take away money from actual disease research in an attempt to "cure" it.

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:05 am

Lol I just had an image of people running a 5K for the cure...

JiveYoungKing The Banter Boy
10/21/13 6:50 am

People will use that to justify their stance. Personally, idc if its genetic or by choice. I'm just one of those weird hippies that are accepting of people... What a novel idea, not judging others...

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kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:01 am

What!? Why wouldn't you make it your business for no apparent reason even though it doesn't affect you at all?!! Commie.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/21/13 6:49 am

It would finish the "it's a choice" debate, otherwise I don't know.

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kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:01 am

I have to hope it would but who knows. You're born with brown hair but can dye it, etc.... There are already those who think even if you're born gay you're never supposed to choose to act on it.

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 6:41 am

Sadly I think it would do more harm than good. It already shouldn't matter if it's genetic or a choice--it still shouldn't be anyone else's business. So those people who make it their business won't be swayed by something as petty as science.

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kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 6:42 am

The crusade will continue. Meanwhile people will start trying to screen their unborn children for the "disease." Abortion would suddenly become occasionally moral. If you allow your child to be born gay you don't care enough about them or America.

curly
10/21/13 6:51 am

There's an awful lot of assumptions in there. You're right to a degree, it being found to be definitively genetic wouldn't change many people's moral view on it, myself included. But increase in abortion? No way.

MrMilkdud
10/21/13 6:51 am

As a Catholic I can tell you that abortion for the "gay gene" wouldn't be considered moral. Abortion for any reason is immoral- people are aborting children with defects and disorders now and we consider that to be a gravely immoral. No exceptions.

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 6:53 am

No, not everyone would feel that way. Or even most. But some would. You can't possible speak for everyone who calls themselves a Christian.

curly
10/21/13 6:53 am

I don't think they'll ever find a, "gay gene" tho. We already have the whole genome sequenced. I don't think they'll find a "strait" gene either. U don't think sexuality is that simple in either case. I think it's more likely to be...

curly
10/21/13 6:54 am

Epigenetic, and not genetic. But that isn't proven yet, either.

MrMilkdud
10/21/13 6:57 am

When did I say I was speaking for every Christian? I said "as a catholic." And I do have sufficient experience and knowledge of Catholic doctrine to know that the Church would not make an
exception for aborting gay babies.

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:04 am

Oh for sure. I never suggested that the Vatican would take an official stance like that. Not even with this commie pope!

I don't think there's a single gene either--it's likely a combo of factors. But it's an interesting thought experiment.

MrMilkdud
10/21/13 7:04 am

Totally agree, except the part about the commie pope.

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:10 am

What do you think of him? Just in general. I don't follow it closely obviously but he seems like a significant departure from the last.

MrMilkdud
10/21/13 7:13 am

I like him a lot. He's not liberal or progressive at all, but for some reason the media is running that theme relentlessly. He's actually very orthodox, but is just better at showing how Catholicism is more accepting than ppl believe.

MrMilkdud
10/21/13 7:15 am

But he isn't "liberal" by any stretch of the imagination- in fact, he was very diligent in stamping out communist and liberation theology movements in his diocese.

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:22 am

I have often thought Catholicism gets something of a bad rap. I like that he illuminates the focus on helping the poor that Catholicism has always had but not enough people know about.

MrMilkdud
10/21/13 7:27 am

Wow, Kermie- that is a very unexpected comment. You're more open minded than I give you credit for.

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 8:23 am

Ha, well, thanks. My beef is typically more with Protestants because that's who I know better and that's who is generally more oppressive. So don't get the entirely wrong impression about my open-mindedness ;)

MrMilkdud
10/21/13 6:41 am

I think a good follow up question to this would be if they did find a "gay gene" that could be somehow deactivated would it be within a parent's rights to "cure" their children of being gay?

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kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 6:43 am

Ooh good question.

Although it sounds similar to the circumcision discussion and we know how well those turn out lol.

MrMilkdud
10/21/13 6:46 am

Or, alternatively, you could ask if it is within a mother's rights to abort her unborn gay child simply on the basis the baby has the gay gene.

MrMilkdud
10/21/13 6:47 am

Actually, I think I asked that question a long time ago- it didn't turn out well bc people avoided the issue entirely by refusing to accept the premise of a "gay gene"

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 6:52 am

That's unfortunate. It's an interesting scenario of competing liberal values. You don't see those kinds of questions as often as you do ones asking about conflicting conservative values. Some people probably couldn't handle it.

curly
10/21/13 6:57 am

Good for you, Kermie. I'm glad you can keep a level head about this kind of thing.

kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 7:10 am

Well I don't always keep a level head lol but I try...

curly
10/21/13 8:30 am

Yea I know, me too. It's just my experience that it is a very touchy subject for both sides.

Octopus
10/21/13 6:40 am

I had honestly never thought of the latter option, but that's troubling to think people could immediately take it that way.

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kermie gaytopia
10/21/13 6:43 am

That's because you're a decent person.