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Show Of Hands October 21st, 2013 2:26am

The Federal Dept. of Health and Human Services has announced plans for a "Tech Surge" to repair the ~$400M ACA website, after technical flaws have prevented many from being able to purchase required insurance. Will the "Surge" work?

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Burntwaffle VA Politics and Pie
10/25/13 6:38 am

I can't wait for the people who cant make a website to control my healthcare!

johninsandiego San Diego CA
10/23/13 2:19 pm

Ha! I know Bout "tech surges". They'll have so many people they'll be tripping over themselves and just make matters worse. Best way to just start over.

captainrcm
10/23/13 10:40 am

600 million and it was outsourced to Canada! Ha! Didn't O blame Romney for outsourcing?! Once again government shows it complete incompetence and yet so many continue to vote and put their life and faith into it! Wow!

Joemac1505 Warren
10/22/13 7:22 pm

The site cost 634 million, not 400 and it doesn't work. Serious foreshadowing of the law itself.

rons WOKE is sick
10/22/13 8:34 am

Has anyone signed up? Pretty poor website. Heads should roll.

rons WOKE is sick
10/22/13 8:32 am

Sounds like "W" is back with the surge!

gjb2779
10/22/13 6:01 am

It's hilarious that people stil have any faith in this law after they already screwed up something as simple as building a website. To me this says planning issues, and scares the crap out of me for how poorly planned the rest of the bill is.

theavgguy I.E.
10/22/13 1:35 am

The iPhone only cost $150 million to develop. Some one saw the government coming.

sutt
10/21/13 11:44 pm

Exactly what costs make a website $400 million?

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dovirstrgn Austin
10/21/13 10:22 pm

No-bid and closed-bid contracts ought to be considered High Crimes, not business as usual. What a clusterfuck. You can't entrust something so important to a bunch of goons whose only skill is navigating bureaucracy.

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TalkingNinja Texas
10/21/13 9:00 pm

damn them for spending our money on something that is gonna have to be repealed! we've got more debt then we know what to do with right now and they're throwing $400 million dollars into a website!?

dovirstrgn Austin
10/21/13 10:23 pm

You folks already tried repealing the ACA something like 40 times. Give it up already. You're wrong, and you lost.

Joemac1505 Warren
10/22/13 7:24 pm

"Give it up, you lost." I'd be willing to bet supporters of slavery said the same thing to abolitionists.

evoecon nearest binary system
10/21/13 8:37 pm

The Administration did not provide specific parameters to be programmed or they kept changing the parameters. IT will never be able to keep up with the vacillation of Democrats.

Marciannie
10/22/13 4:01 pm

So, I assume you have signed up(or signed in). Low premiums and deductibles??? :)

evoecon nearest binary system
10/22/13 4:50 pm

You must have meant that comment for someone else.

cowboy Doors of Perception
10/21/13 8:03 pm

Of course not. Good job America!

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scout97
10/21/13 7:11 pm

The surge will fix the site. The real issue will come when they finally release the real numbers of newly insured. They will have to break the site again to make sure we don't see those numbers. Transparency!!!

dogsaver new Jersey
10/21/13 7:08 pm

Another embarrassing event for Obama.

ghoti
10/21/13 5:17 pm

Always time and money to fix/redo something; never the time, money, and courage to do it right the first time. I've seen so many bad decisions during development, and then during remediation of custom gov't software - frequently not the contrators.

ghoti
10/21/13 5:18 pm

Many time it is lack of clarity in vision and need (the what) and too much involvement in details (the how).

sailrealvty Downtown
10/21/13 4:44 pm

Really $400M to fix - who got that gig???

lovethatreba living in paradise
10/21/13 4:44 pm

And they had three (3) years to get it right.

CallMeSmith The Tardis
10/21/13 6:51 pm

To get what right? The website? When do you think the site began development.....?

persuader
10/21/13 2:47 pm

No.It has been&will be a waste of time & $.Let the states do it. Some already have. Utah has been working on a website for about 4 years. It is up & running, allowing people to evaluate cost w/o signing up, & compare many different plans. avenueh.com

ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 2:44 pm

I am absolutely certain that a mistake of this magnitude could only have been intentional. It's providing a distraction from discussion of the quality of the "product," and it may provide an excuse to delay the individual mandate without handing...

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ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 2:45 pm

... the Republicans a victory.

Sneaky bastids.

CallMeSmith The Tardis
10/21/13 6:53 pm

The republicans won't get a "victory" here though. They are to far gone right now to really win at this. They might get an "I told you so" if they are lucky.

ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 6:58 pm

You missed the point. The whole thing was a sneaky way to deny them a victory.

Incidentally, I'm also tired of the crap opinion that anyone has "moved to the right." You can't name one policy of any part of the Repubs that is farther right now.

theNobamist Silicon Valley
10/21/13 2:14 pm

Where's the investigation? If a company made this type of debacle, the feds would wonder if people ran off with money to Switzerland, shareholders march on the CEO with burning pitchforks, and the cops would drag people away (unless he's Madoff).

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
10/21/13 2:07 pm

Was the website outsourced to India for development? I want an investigation!!

theNobamist Silicon Valley
10/21/13 2:07 pm

It was a $600M website. If the Demokooks can't even get that starting point right, what confidence can you have in their programmers?

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CallMeSmith The Tardis
10/21/13 6:54 pm

They hired people to do the site. They didn't actually design it. I doubt a single guy in DC knows the first thing about designing a site. So, explain how it's the fault of a specific party for one website...

ldsmom02
10/21/13 2:01 pm

Of course Democrats will think the surge will work but they miss the point.....over $400M was spent to produce a website that doesn't work. The government used a sorry Canadian company to mess things up.

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ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 2:46 pm

One that was fired by the Canadian government after failing to produce an acceptable health care program for them, I might add.

Happy Hong Kong
10/21/13 1:35 pm

By tech surge, I assume that they mean money surge.

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truenuff
10/21/13 1:30 pm

So the government needs more money to throw after the $400 million bad money they already spent and we still have people that think Obamacare will be a food thing?

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
10/21/13 11:16 am

What a mess, as expected

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CallMeSmith The Tardis
10/21/13 6:56 pm

The expected part was that obamacare wouldn't work, not the website.

ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 10:24 am

Speaking of being able to do simple math, has anyone else noticed the side-by-side stories of tens of thousands signing up for health care while hundreds of thousands are having their policies cancelled?

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
10/21/13 2:10 pm

Good observation! The penalty is cheaper. But is this a trap in the making? Step one: people out if private plans; Step Two: Comrade Medichisky Systemu?

ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 2:50 pm

Of course that was always the plan. The ACA added 10 very expensive requirements onto every private health plan in America, and that's why plans are being dropped. When your employer dumps your plan, there's nowhere else to go for health insurance.

ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 2:50 pm

Even the dullards in the MSM may eventually figure out that the plans on the exchanges don't have the same requirements...

Br@ndon Your Soul
10/21/13 10:17 am

At that price!? It should work no problem.

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CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
10/21/13 1:46 pm

That's how much they'll spend for one 1980s desktop computer

DeathSheep Michigan
10/21/13 9:26 am

People never seem to realize it's almost impossible to predict the load a server will have to bare. This being one of the most visited website, probably in US history. It has millions of hits, queries and problems. It has to calculate instantaneously

ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 10:22 am

It was supposed to provide 30 million uninsured people a chance to sign up for health care. It shit the bed with 9 million hits.

I'm pretty sure a fifth grader could have predicted this outcome.

Happy Hong Kong
10/21/13 1:37 pm

They could have outsourced to AWS.

theNobamist Silicon Valley
10/21/13 2:12 pm

Bullcrap! Apple, eBay, and Amazon handle more traffic than that every hour! And the info is secure, accurately entered into the databases. Don't be a naked apologist.

DeathSheep Michigan
10/21/13 3:25 pm

And apple, eBay and Amazon have had years to perfect their servers to handle it. A simple example. When the video game Battlefield 3 came out, even with beta testing the servers, they didn't predict the strain correctly and the servers were down...

DeathSheep Michigan
10/21/13 3:26 pm

For long periods of time. Same goes for the game Sim City when it came out. All the people that had bought the game but couldn't play it were pissed off that the companies could predict "such a simple thing". But unless you've worked, seen or dealt..

DeathSheep Michigan
10/21/13 3:27 pm

... With servers being overloaded you don't really understand that it isn't easily predicted. Specially when the server goes live and is instantly hit with millions if hits at once. I'm not a apologist, I'm a realist that understands technologies..

ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 3:36 pm

The fed govt owns both the fastest computer in the world and the largest data storage system ever created (in Utah). They could easily have had ten times the capacity they needed. This decision was deliberate.

Happy Hong Kong
10/21/13 4:41 pm

@DeathSheep: Which is why they should have outsourced the job to AWS (Amazon Web Services).

gatsbyxxv
10/21/13 9:17 am

It is preposterous for us to advance one more nickel into this debacle. The developer is entirely responsible and more federal money should not be used to bail them out. Time for a thorough investigation.

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/21/13 9:09 am

Eventually, but it will be late and over budget.

arborfamilia on top of the hill
10/21/13 8:34 am

I spoke to a very knowledgeable source this weekend who pointed out something I had not considered - the federal site is having to cover for all of the [Republican] states who chose NOT to open their own exchange. So the traffic is very high...

arborfamilia on top of the hill
10/21/13 8:36 am

...this doesn't excuse the bugs, but, having worked on similar projects, I can sympathize with the project leads who no doubt started with a much lower user base than they are facing now. It's tough to quickly adjust the tech, after a certain point.

ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 8:24 am

Why wouldn't the most expensive computer system rollout in history have already HAD the best and the brightest?

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jvc1133 61535
10/21/13 8:02 am

That's not quick enough!!!!

jvc1133 61535
10/21/13 8:02 am

That's not quick enough!!!!

lmurder MDK
10/21/13 7:37 am

Only 50k people can access it at one time. That means it would take 15/16 years for everyone to get insured through their website. Ironic thing is obamacare fines start in 3 months. Sounds fishy.

ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 8:22 am

Only a half million people bothered to create an account to see what's offered. The insurance industry says only 36,000 people have applied for insurance so far. This thing is going to fold almost before it starts.

lmurder MDK
10/21/13 8:31 am

I don't need to visit the website. If anything I'll drop mine in protest. They can take the fines out of my tax return.

ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/21/13 7:34 am

They really can't fix it until the government decides to show what the prices of the coverages are without checking every other government database to see which programs you qualify for so they can make the price appear smaller through subsidies.

selfthink
10/21/13 7:18 am

The website is but the portal for which to sign up. That should be the easy part. Wait until these same morons have to administer the program.

Honestly, this is the best we have solving one of the biggest divisive issues in our country?

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Flyleaf2424
10/21/13 7:15 am

A 600 million dollar website?

What does it do? Shoot lasers and cure cancer?

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ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/21/13 7:31 am

Plus that 600,000,000 went a Canadian firm..... :(

ken08106
10/21/13 6:59 am

Shocker- Theyre going to pump more money into a program thats already far exceeded original "projections" from the federal govt yet again. And people believed those estimates and promises yet again. And shocker- they were disappointed find all lies

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mamalisa California
10/21/13 6:27 am

Maybe but the program will still suck either way.

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shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/21/13 6:17 am

It's important to point out that Health.gov only supports 36 states - the rest of the states have their own exchanges and websites which, for the most part, are working fine

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ken08106
10/21/13 7:00 am

Just goes to show you how poorly the fed govt executes basically everything and why states should have more power of their constituents

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/21/13 7:25 am

Actually - the California website is private - a.com

ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/21/13 7:37 am

And how is California private company website working? Honestly, I haven't heard one way or the other.

arborfamilia on top of the hill
10/21/13 8:44 am

Oregon's is broken still, but will be up soon... they are doing it all manually right now but have STILL managed to get 56,000 people insured in the last 2 weeks (mostly by using food stamp rosters to identify people who would pre-qualify by income).

ScrewU Gone
10/21/13 9:18 am

New York State has its own website. It hasn't signed up a single person yet.

robbyjr04
10/21/13 6:05 am

Curious as to how much more this will cost...

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ken08106
10/21/13 7:01 am

Much more than originally estimated, thats for sure.

shygal47 Florida east coast
10/21/13 5:46 am

possibly but doesn't financially atone for flawed design. in h/w and s/w you get what you pay for upfront - buy the best you can and test test test.

arborfamilia on top of the hill
10/21/13 8:46 am

... And start with some real requirements that you can lock down. The government has been changing ACA for the last 3 years, not exactly a recipe for project success.

zuko on deck
10/21/13 5:35 am

I think an "Integrity Surge" might be more beneficial...

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seedseller Oregon
10/21/13 1:22 pm

How can you even think "integrity" and the Federal government at the same time. I tried and can't see any connection.

chickencookie Jihad Joe
10/21/13 5:09 am

How stupid can this govt get? Get Zuckerberg and the google guys involved. They know how to run websites.

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ldsmom02
10/21/13 2:04 pm

Or Amazon who manages to run a website that can deliver the goods and years later remember what you bought.

honest
10/21/13 5:06 am

The government wants to fix something. Can someone give me an example of when that plan worked?

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ken08106
10/21/13 7:02 am

..........i can think of examples when they tried to fix thigs and made them worse instead, does that count?

honest
10/21/13 8:06 pm

They fixed the middle class like they fixed Hitler.